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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:40 PM
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Starbucks testing $1 coffees with free refills
Source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer

SEATTLE -- Faced with growing competition from cheaper rivals, Starbucks Corp. is testing $1 short cups of drip coffee with free refills in its hometown.

That's about 50 cents less than an 8 oz. cup of joe the Seattle-based coffee retailer normally charges, though prices vary from store to store.

Small cups of premium coffee at McDonald's Corp., Dunkin' Donuts and other lower-cost competitors typically start in the low $1 range, according to The Wall Street Journal, which first reported on Starbucks' new test program Wednesday.

Starbucks would not say when the test began, how many stores are part of it, whether it's considering a similar promotion for any other brews or whether any new test markets are on the horizon.



Read more: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420ap_wa_starbucks_free_refills.html



A sign that consumers cutting back on the pricey coffee? I wasn't a regular but I enjoy a Cafe Mocha or another coffee drink maybe once a week, but I'm cutting back.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:44 PM
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1. The question is how low will it go?
In our small town we have two coffee shops and the price is around a buck fifty. The guy down the street puts a pot out for fifty cents and I must say that he is pretty busy!
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:46 PM
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2. I like their regular coffee. It's all I ever buy from them, when I go there.
Makes sense to reduce the price since it doesn't have a lot of the fluff the more expensive drinks do.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:23 PM
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9. I do like their regular coffee
Nice dark roast. But I avoid their foo-foo drinks. $4.50 for a cup of warm milk with a shot of espresso. Bite me!

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rmgarrette64 Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:31 PM
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21. Try this
Order a short cappuccino. Not the tall (the smallest size they list), but a short - it is not on the menu. This is cheaper, and superior in every way to the next size up. There's still a shot of espresso, but there's less milk in it. And since there's less milk, a higher percentage of that milk is actually foam.

It's been my favorite drink at Starbucks since I found out about it.

R. Garrett
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:46 PM
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3. high price
I always thought the high price was a badge of honor for "true" coffee lovers. If you lower the price, the elite won't think they're getting such a great cup of coffee anymore.

High prices conveys greatness to some folks.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:48 PM
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4. FourBucks does a great job of that conveyence
the prices for any expresso type drink are obscene.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:53 PM
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15. Yup. I've been switching to straight espresso, for the most part.
$2 for a double espresso or $4.50 for a triple with 16 oz of milk mixed in? I'll take the double.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:00 PM
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7. Nathan Handwerker left his employer, who was charging 10 cents, to start his own
hot dog stand, and charged 5 cents. Potential customers thought that there must be something wrong with them, inferior meat, etc. He dressed up some of the employees as doctors, and the public began noticing that doctors were steadily patronizing his place, and Nathan's was able to survive.



Nathan's began as a nickel hot dog stand in Coney Island in 1916 and bears the name of founder Nathan Handwerker.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:52 PM
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5. Amazing what declining sales growth and a share price that halved in 2007
...can do for a cup of java.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:59 PM
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6. But The Economy Is Great
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 02:59 PM by Binka
Aren't you flush with cash and eager to buy a $4.75 CrapafuckwittageMOCHA w soy milk?:sarcasm:
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:25 PM
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10. That's exactly what I plan to spend my rebate on!
Then I will have fulfilled my obligation to America's economy by honestly pissing away the money. :rofl:

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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:02 PM
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8. Catch a rising Starbucks ---NOT.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:29 PM
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11. More like - dodge a falling rock. n/t
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jdadd Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:32 PM
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12. I wouldn't drink Starbucks
if they were to give it away,I guess I'm just not a discriminating coffee drinker. I think their coffee tastes like they burned the beans when they roasted them... :puke:
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:35 PM
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17. I sort of agree, though I drink it. McDonald's is actually smoother, though
of course, McDonald's is GOP (isn't it?), so you have to weigh the pluses and minuses before patronizing a coffee place.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:09 PM
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18. I agree on their coffee
While I like the occasional speciality drink from them I never liked their coffee. I prefer to grind and brew my own at work.
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:37 PM
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13. 15-20 Years Ago They Did That
I remember going into Starbucks when they first came to Chicago. You could sit down and get a free refill at any of their stores -- great, especially when they were the only place to get halfway decent coffee in the Loop.

Is that the case for anyone else?
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:49 PM
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14. Competing against McDonald's new coffee bars
And at $1 they're still making money.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:00 PM
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25. Nope, not making much on the buck cup with the free refills
but they're willing to lose a dime or a quarter every fifth or tenth customer in order to convince Mickey D's that coffee bars were a bad business to get into. When the Golden Starches decides that they really want to be in the three-bite hamburger business rather than have coffee drinkers lingering around clogging up the seats, Starbucks will go back to full price coffee.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:24 PM
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16. $4 half-caf soy double espresso lattes sell less rapidly in a recession.
Just give me a #$@$#@! cup of joe, dammit.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:10 PM
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19. CoffeeBean Tea & Leaf
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 05:18 PM by nebula
I don't get why there are hundreds of Starbucks where I live, but only one or two CoffeeBean Tea & Leafs. The quality and taste of the latter is infinitely superior, yet pricing is similar. I guess the US consumer is so used to drinking stale, tasteless crap that they couldn't tell a good cup of coffee from their asses. No wonder why Starbucks has been so successful. Just imagine what the profit margins will be when you can get away with charging premium prices for worthless crap to droves of customers who don't know any better. A marketer's wet dream.
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Shoedogg Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:19 PM
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22. It's not the coffee they're even interested in,
it's the "coolness factor" of drinking the coffee so cool people are willing to wear advertisements for it on their T-shirts.

It reminds me of a conversation I had with a good friend - someone I respect in SO many ways but was terribly disappointed in after this:

FRIEND: I wanna get my daughter these jeans but they cost almost $200.
ME: You're joking, right?
FRIEND: Well, they're (insert cool clothing company here - it may have been Abercrombie but I don't remember) and, you know, I want her to have something by them.
ME: No. No I do not know.

It's the same sort of thinking with Starbucks.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:53 PM
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24. Starbucks is probably in violation
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 08:59 PM by nebula
of every anti-trust law ever written, to be where they are.

They are one of the most monopolistic, predatory, anti-competitive
companies that ever existed. Why are they allowed to get away with it?
How many lawmakers have they paid off?
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:06 PM
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26. I used to live in the Pacific Northwest
and while we had a lot of Starbucks shops, we also had a goodly number of competitors as well. Now I get to NY and people here think Dunkin' Donuts coffee is the bomb, so who's going to pay even three bucks for a good cup of espresso? That leaves only the image conscious who want to be seen holding a Starbucks cup.


They're not monopolistic, but where people care more about image than about great coffee, they will be the only game in town. Its no stupider than designer clothing and accessory lines.

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CRK7376 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:27 PM
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20. McDonald's just opened
one of their fancy coffee bars in my town and it's hands down better than Starbucks. There just happens to be a Starbucks right across the street from this McD's and they are loosing business right and left. Location, location, location I guess. I'm not much of a coffee drinker in the first place but I hate Starbucks coffee regardless. I never understood why a cup of joe was 2-3-4 bucks and tasted so crappy....guess I'm not a coffee snob. Give me a Pepsi instead....!
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:28 PM
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23. It's a smart way of targeting a subsegment of their market.
Coffee shop customers can roughly be categorized as folks who want some $4 frou-frou drink and folks who just want a cup of coffee. Starbucks has been slamming the door in the face of the latter group by charging too much for a product they can get elsewhere much cheaper.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:13 PM
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27. Putting the squeeze on the small guys.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 10:13 PM by lurky
Starbucks has deep pockets. They can afford to lose money for a while. This will take a lot of business away from the independent coffee houses that are still hanging in there, and who can't afford to match these prices.

I really like those little coffee houses that have art, music, and culture. They are like little community centers and meeting places. This could put a lot of them out of business.
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