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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:00 AM
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Super Tuesday won't decide nominations
Source: AP

WASHINGTON - Don't look to crown any presidential nominees on Super Tuesday. The race for delegates is so close in both parties that it is mathematically impossible for any candidate to lock up the nomination on Feb. 5, according to an Associated Press analysis of the states in play that day.

"A lot of people were predicting that this presidential election on both sides was going to be this massive sprint that ended on Feb. 5," said Jenny Backus, a Democratic consultant who is not affiliated with any candidate. Now it's looking as if the primaries after Super Tuesday — including such big, delegate-rich states as Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania — could grow in importance.

"Maybe some states were better off waiting," said Backus.

That doesn't mean Super Tuesday won't be super after all. Voters in more than 20 states will go to the polls on the biggest day of the primary campaign, and thousands of delegates will be at stake.

But it's possible Feb. 5 might not even produce clear front-runners.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080124/ap_on_el_pr/super_tuesday_not_over
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:02 AM
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1. Day-um.
I can't believe this thing is actually going to keep going.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:05 AM
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2. Big fun for us political junkies
Time for DU to up it's ad rates. :-)
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:08 AM
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5. OK, I actually read the article now.
Basically, the point they are making is that nobody can make it all the way to 2025 on Feb 5. Fair enough.

There will be nearly 1,700 Democratic delegates at stake on Feb. 5, enough to put a candidate well on his or her way to the 2,025 needed to secure the nomination. But even if somehow either Clinton or Obama won every single one of those delegates, it wouldn't be enough. And with two strong candidates, the delegates could be divided fairly evenly because the Democrats award their delegates proportionally — not winner-take- all.


What this analysis ignores is that if one candidate dominates the Feb 5 primaries, the campaign would be effectively over.

Still, at this point there is a good chance that no candidate will win decisively on Feb 5, which mean the campaign keeps going.

(Which would prolong the ugliness here on DU. But I gotta admit I do find the campaign itself to be very exciting to watch.)
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:12 AM
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8. True, but
If the primaries are close, even with one candidate winning a majority of them, it leaves open the possibility of momentum shifts and unpredictable events over the next few months, with states voting through, what, June?

But yes, if one candidate wins most of the states with large majorities, the other 2 candidates would probably run out of money and momentum pretty quickly.

Maybe just wishful thinking on my part since my primary isn't until May. :-)
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:09 AM
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6. Say, "Congratulations CW... Your primary's in play for once!"
NGU.


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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:45 AM
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13. Mine too.
:D
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:15 AM
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16. It's true!
In Ohio,a friend of mine is a super-delegate and was coverly smoozed by both Obama and Clinton this week.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:06 AM
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3. It's like Hillary says: "We're just getting warmed up"
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:07 AM
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4. So those of you calling for Edwards to drop out can please...
STFU.

I said please.

:)

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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:12 PM
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28. You said please, I said
NOW!
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:10 AM
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7. It would had been better for the voters if the primaries were spread out more
It would had given the voters to know the candidates better and possibly allow more of the candidates to stay in the race longer and campaign more in each of the states.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:15 AM
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9. Agreed. It's kind of ironic
that states moved up their primaries to have more of a say on who ends up with the nomination, but in this cycle, with the 3 good competitive candidates, it would have been great to have the primaries more spread out.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:19 AM
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10. So you're saying that Lee Mercer still has a chance!
I knew it.

Unlike Fred Thompson, Lee Mercer is not a quitter.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:37 AM
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17. Mercer is as Mercer does (All Three)
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:24 AM
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11. I'm dreaming of a brokered convention,
with a darkhorse candidate coming down the stretch with a win. We might get Biden, Dodd, or Kucinich yet!
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:37 AM
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12. If we are going brokered and dark horse
I will put my Howard Dean sign back out in the yard!!
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:04 AM
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20. And, I'll do the same with my Al Gore sign. :D
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Jennifer C Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:36 PM
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26. Yes!
I'm dreaming of a brokered convention too.

Biden would completely make the GOP shit in their pants, especially McCain.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:49 AM
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14. LOLOLOL
yeah feb 5th won't decide anything says the corporate media, because if you believe that it will, we will lose market share and we can't have that now, can we?

after super duper, tsunami, big ass tuesday (or whatever they are calling it now) is over, we will have our leader. Whom ever that is.

this is nothing more that the panic story of a media that doesn't want the election year gravy train to end.

I can't wait for the next political campaign season to start...jan. 21, 2009.

sigh.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:56 AM
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15. Amazing! K&R
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:40 AM
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18. Maybe not.
But it'll probably end a campaign or 2...like Giuliani's, possibly.

Go back to your consulting business, Rudy, and take the gold digger with you. Please.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:10 AM
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21. Maybe not but
If Obama were to pull off an upset and take, say, California, things could well remain in flux until the convention.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:46 AM
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19. With Michigan and Florida gone, this shifts things back.
That was about 367 delegates (including super delegates) that had to be reallocated to the other states. So, this will make the primary go longer. Edwards task will be to stay above 15% to win delegates. I think it will go well past March and most likely all the way to the convention. This measn that I get to have my vote count in March. Perhaps a brokered convention. So, that would be exciting! Think Dean or Gore. :)
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:11 AM
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22. I'm VERY glad to see this.
It will be nice, for once, that all won't be decided by Iowans and New Hampsters. ;-) Viva Democracy!
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:25 PM
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23. Good to see
Although the primaries are getting to me, as a political junkie AND an American I think this is a good thing. I never liked the media meme that Iowa and New Hampshire got a disproportionate say in the primaries. The media has tried hard to anoint a candidate, and now looks ridiculous.

Let's hear it for democracy!
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:12 PM
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25. Nice sig picture!
I hadn't seen that portrait yet...very nice. :)
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Jennifer C Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:55 PM
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27. Agree!
It's a very beautiful photo.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:05 PM
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24. Good...
out of all the people I know, I found one 35 year old guy who supports Hillary in DFW....
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 04:48 PM
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29. Ahh, just that much longer before I am told who.....
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 04:50 PM by Rebellious Republica
I am allowed to have the illusion to vote for. Then when it is all said and done, the corporations are going to install who ever they want. If you lived in Florida like I do, then you would understand how it all truly works. Wake me up when the board of of directors for the Incorporated States of America has decided who the next CEO will be.

:popcorn:
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