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shawn703 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:18 PM
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White House: Give Industry Greater Voice
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is proposing a new presidential council to give U.S. companies a greater voice in government decisions and making other recommendations aimed at bolstering the ailing manufacturing sector.

The administration's report on manufacturing says the Treasury Department (news - web sites) should study how to make tax laws less complex and costly for companies to comply with. Also, the White House budget office should conduct a government-wide review of regulations to assess their impact on U.S. manufacturers.

The long-awaited report was to be made public Friday during a visit by Commerce Secretary Donald Evans to the Lincoln Electric Co. of Cleveland, a successful midsize company that makes sophisticated welding equipment.




more...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&ncid=703&e=1&u=/ap/20040116/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/manufacturing_council
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shawn703 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:19 PM
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1. Screw the people, industry needs the bigger voice? n/t
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:30 PM
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6. Wow...that picture says it all
The United Corporations of America
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:20 PM
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2. Sometimes I feel like changing my handle to "nothing shocks me any more"
'cept its already taken.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:20 PM
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3. what happened to "by the people, for the people"...????
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:48 AM
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30. hey, corporations are people too. Not! n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:15 AM
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36. ...but they don't bank in America and WE do
WHO receives all the big tax breaks? Of course it isn't the working class!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:23 PM
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4. Give industry a greater voice???
JEEZ, they already have the ONLY voice!
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:24 PM
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5. yes, this is truly an unbelievable statement
...
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 08:22 AM
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24. but clearly... it isn't "loud" enough
:eyes:
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:38 PM
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7. So they get to ship jobs overseas AND benefit from american workers
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 08:38 PM by lovedems
taxes at the same time. Their shamlessness is an absolute embarrassment. If these mother truckers get 4 more years, the death of the american dream will be right around the corner.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:41 PM
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8. translated: "Bush hates democracy, proposes fascism"
as if industry didn't ALREADY have too much of a voice!!!

:wtf:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 08:51 AM
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26. Yup.
This is getting really, really scary.

If he gets re-elected, we're going to have to leave.
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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:43 PM
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9. new presidential council????
Call it what ya what….it’s still dick’s group with maybe new presidential rules for tighter secrecy :eyes:
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:47 PM
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10. LMAO what gall this moron has!
As if theyre not running his admin now..
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:53 PM
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11. notice that all they are apparently going to discuss..
are tex cuts and deregulation, as if THAT'S the problem...

CEO salaries have gone up hundreds of times higher than employee wages, and shareholders are more important than the product, the workers, or the customers, but the reason we're sucking is because of regulations and taxes?

If that's the case, why were these industries doing so well before?

do you think they will pass that savings on to you and me? Fuck no, once Bush's so-called immigration plan kicks in, it will be legal for factories to hire people for $10 a day... the kind of job Americans "won't do"

:puke:
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T Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:43 PM
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18. Well yes, they are running his admin now, HE just doesn't know it
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 09:44 PM by T Bone
unka dick, the snarly one, hasn't told him yet.
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ScholarSeeker Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:54 PM
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12. Give them a greater voice than they already have???
Sure, don't let ethics get in the way

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:03 PM
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13. Ya mean like lower pay with longer hours and no overtime?
And no more shitty unions? And abolish the Child Labor Laws. Three day vacations once a year with no pay. Holidays will be treated like an ordinary work day.

This should bring up junior's poll numbers.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:07 PM
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14. Wake up, America!
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 09:11 PM by silverweb
The Fourth Reich is alive and well, and YOU are to be its slaves!

"Fascism is government by the few and for the few. The objective is seizure and control of the economic, political, social and cultural life of the state."
~U.S. Army: Army Talk, Orientation Fact Sheet 64, March 24, 1945.

"Fascism: a system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."
American Heritage Dictionary (an older edition)

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
~Benito Mussolini, Fascist Dictator of Italy

“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any controlling private power.”
~Franklin D. Roosevelt

"The heart and soul of fascism was the corporative state.”
~James B. Whisker

On edit: Emphasis.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:09 PM
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15. industry has been shut out for too long
Bush really has found the pulse of what's wrong with the economy.

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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:37 PM
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16. Fascism rears it's ugly head!
It is the 7 headed dragon (Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell, Rummy, Ashcroft, Ridge). Rove, of course, is Satan.
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bushh8ter Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:39 PM
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17. ROFLMAO - surely they jest!
Like we aren't already a fascist state?
We've already got Exxon, Enron and Shell writing up our energy policy for invisible Dick AND directing foreign policy in the Middle East.
When will this nightmare end?
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JoeMemphis Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:45 PM
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19. Half bad, half good ...
Yes, it's laughable to suggest that business interests don't have a large enough voice in government (they do have the White House, the House, and Senate, right?).

Something good could come about: The report restates a number of initiatives the administration has already announced. Those include reorganizing the Commerce Department to place more emphasis on penalizing unfair trade practices and promoting U.S. exports.

If Bush* would ever grow a pair and stand up to China's unfair trade practices (floating the yuan in particular), we might not be in such bad shape economically and job-wise.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:31 PM
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23. Right. Good thing the US doesn't have unfair trading practices
Turnip truck?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:05 PM
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20. Isn't Fascism
the collaboration of political administration and corporations?? Maybe my dictionary is a bit old and the new ones are more acceptably Orwellian.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:07 PM
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42. once publishing companies became corporations
the definition was promptly changed.

Geez- have some faith. They'll regulate themselves, don't ya know? /sarcasm
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:28 PM
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21. This is a joke, right? Man the people in this administration are
SICK.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:31 PM
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22. Poor, poor "industry"!! They haven't been generating nearly...
...enough profits, have they?
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 08:30 AM
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25. Is that even possible? Could they have yet more voice than now?
Come ON! With all the welcome lobbyists and back-door action the industrial magnates receive with this administration, it's a wonder they don't just move in to the white house permanently, and maybe open a maquiladora on the front lawn.

What a joke.

Even the regulations that remain aren't enforced. :crazy:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:15 AM
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27. Verbal Crystallnacht?
Not sure of the spelling. My eardrums are shattered now. I can't seem to hear any reasonable opposition from corporate news.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:40 AM
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29. This is scary as hell.
The United States is being destroyed before our very eyes.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 12:20 PM
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43. of course you don't
because the media is part of the problem!
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:30 AM
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28. They've had the ONLY voice
since our coup. The government is by the corporations, for the corporations and they're STILL not happy. Why don't we just have corporations decide our elections, wait they already do.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:52 AM
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31. looks like it's time to finish gutting
the Endangered Species Act
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Oggy Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 09:59 AM
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32. The US has really gone mad
The more I read the more I worry for you all. I would offer you all a place over here in the UK, but I think we are Austria to your Germany.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:00 AM
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33. There is going to be a mass exodus soon enough.
I'm leaving. That's it. These people are insane.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:18 AM
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37. me too...
If 2004 turns into another selection I am outa here. I will not let my boys grow up to be aWol*s cannon fodder....
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:06 AM
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34. moving from govt chartered corporations to corporate chartered govt.
yeah, that's the ticket.

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:11 AM
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35. Bet the give more weight to the voices of those industry players
who are outsourcing rather than to those who are successful with US based labor. Why? Because that is who gives the MONEY. So once again the bush policies that are likely to be tried to push through congress are - in my predictions - will probably give "incentives" (re: tax cuts) to industry - but with NO ties so that those who continue to ship jobs overseas will benefit as much as those who don't - giving no incentive to find ways to keep jobs in the US. Just like they have done with other policies - such as the Medicare "prescription drug discount" program... where companies participating in this interim program (before the full program takes hold) are allowed to use purchasing power to negotiate down costs (note that MEDICARE in the final program is NOT allowed to do this) - but that there are NO mandated savings that need to be passed on to the consumers. And just like another provision in the MEDICARE bill that gives "incentives" (BIG $) to companies to continue health insurance coverage of retirees... BUT gives the money whether or not the company dumps or retains retiree health care coverage.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:21 AM
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38. A general strike would bring about a voice that could be heard
You will go back to work
or you can go to jail


Commerce Secretary Donald Evans is as big a joke as junior
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:02 AM
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39. As if Haliburton didn't already have a big voice or Enron
Ask Cheney who wrote the energy policy of this administration.
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skippysmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:25 AM
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40. because their voices were being silenced?
i swear, up is down, and down is up in this country nowadays...
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:56 AM
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41. The Council of Corporate Cronies
Writing up their special interest legislaton and passing it to the Republikin Kongress for a swift rubber stamp.

They aren't even hiding this any more.

The coup is complete.

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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 01:57 PM
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44. Hoist the new American Flag
now everyone pledge allegience....
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