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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:56 PM
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Iraq conflict has killed a million, says survey
Source: reuters

LONDON, Jan 30 (Reuters) - More than one million Iraqis have died as a result of the conflict in their country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to research conducted by one of Britain's leading polling groups.

The survey, conducted by Opinion Research Business (ORB) with 2,414 adults in face-to-face interviews, found that 20 percent of people had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, rather than natural causes.

The last complete census in Iraq conducted in 1997 found 4.05 million households in the country, a figure ORB used to calculate that approximately 1.03 million people had died as a result of the war, the researchers found.

The margin of error in the survey, conducted in August and September 2007, was 1.7 percent, giving a range of deaths of 946,258 to 1.12 million.

...

The director of the group, Allan Hyde, said it had no objective other than to record as accurately as possible the number of deaths among the Iraqi population as a result of the invasion and ensuing conflict. (Reporting by Luke Baker; editing by Andrew Roche)

Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L30488579.htm
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:00 PM
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1. W must be so happy...he finally bested his daddy at something.
I wonder what's it's like to have absolutely no conscience whatsoever.

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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:16 PM
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2. And Saddam was hanged for killing 148 and it was called crimes against humanity.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 02:17 PM by sinkingfeeling
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:03 PM
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8. I believe it's hanged
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 04:05 PM by merwin
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:07 PM
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9. Thank you. I first used 'hung' and then edited it to 'hanged' because I think you're right.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:26 PM
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3. What a tradgedy.
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:35 PM
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4. No! It's not a tragedy, it's a crime perpetrated by the current administration

And the ONLY acceptable action would be to bring Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and a lot of the military rank to The Hague and put them on the same bench where other criminals like Milosevic were indicted for similar crimes. Bush has murdered much more people than Milosevic.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:37 PM
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5. Yes! But we've got to put our attention on...
...yet another staged election. And who would have the temerity to charge and try the leaders of a country with more weapons of mass destruction, and less basic intelligence, than all other countries combined?

It's not easy being right!
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:38 PM
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6. OMFG!!! n/t
K&R
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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:45 PM
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7. Hillary Helped Bush at every Turn
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:23 PM
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10. The Repos who support the surge, support McCain's calls for more
need to know this. They need to know the true cost.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:36 PM
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11. We, the People should be ashamed of ourselves for the suffering and carnage we've brought to Iraq
in the name of 'liberation' and 'peace'.

:cry: :puke:
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:49 PM
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12.  K & R with sadness
~PEACE~
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:00 PM
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13. 80,699 – 88,126 Documented civilian deaths from violence
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 06:04 PM by ohio2007
IBC has been tracking official death count cases, not hear say.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

SO the actual war casualities may be over 100k but the concensus of saying 1 million out of a population of ? 32 million ? should be researched better then friend of a friend stats.




http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/beyond/state-of-knowledge/



jmo
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marlonjose Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:10 PM
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14. Why do you assume that all deaths have been "documented"?
Doesn't the Iraqi Government, who control the statistics coming out of these "documented" cases, have a conflict on interest and may be downplaying the real death toll?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:13 PM
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15. "official death count"?
Umm not quite.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:33 PM
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21. Small Sample
used to generate this number. approx 2500. How the stratification was done is key to this type of data gathering.

IE who did they ask, where, sect, income, all make a huge when n is 2500 and population is 27 million.

So, before I accepted this as gospel I would need more information.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:31 PM
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22. ibc's method is to count every death...
recorded in western media. i.e. it's not scientific.

there have been 3 studies with statistically valid samples putting deaths in the neighborhood of 1 million.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:34 PM
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23. and every time one comes out, the same argument.
ibc says...

small sample...

nobody wants to believe us actions resulted in 1 million deaths.

that would make us worse than saddam.

but we are.
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OneAngryDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:30 PM
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16. Iraq conflict has killed a million, says survey
Source: Reuters

More than one million Iraqis have died as a result of the conflict in their country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to research conducted by one of Britain's leading polling groups.

The survey, conducted by Opinion Research Business (ORB) with 2,414 adults in face-to-face interviews, found that 20 percent of people had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, rather than natural causes.

The last complete census in Iraq conducted in 1997 found 4.05 million households in the country, a figure ORB used to calculate that approximately 1.03 million people had died as a result of the war, the researchers found.

The margin of error in the survey, conducted in August and September 2007, was 1.7 percent, giving a range of deaths of 946,258 to 1.12 million.


Read more: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L30488579.htm



America's Republican voters are DRENCHED in the blood.

Please visit my anti-war website, www.shockedandawful.com
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:30 PM
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17. In my mind, that puts Bush and his Republicans up there with Stalin
and Hitler.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:30 PM
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18. One million deaths on George W. Bush's soul....
That's a lot of bad karma.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:30 PM
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19. Careful
As a student of Statistics I would note the sample size is 2414 the population is 27 million people. That does not mean this is wrong, just is what it is.

Stratification of this group (geographic, sect, income) could case massive skew.

These numbers vary by almost an order of magnitude from the Irag Body Count.

Again not dismissing them, but before I used them to form an argument I would want more information.
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IcyPeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:30 PM
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20. I don't understand why this doesn't GET to more people
Why doesn't someone ask the nominees running for president how they feel about this number? You never hear it - we don't hear it enough. If so many republicans claim to be Christian - HOW ARE THEY NOT TAKING A STANCE AGAINST THIS WAR??? What does it mean to Christians that we have displaced and/or murdered a million people -- people who did nothing to us? I just don't get it. I just don't get it. ;(

I want to scream.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:10 AM
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24. And how many since Bu$h1 thru Clinton
With the bombings, Gulf War, etc. DU spread around and banning sewage system pipes, etc. in addition to this illegal war?
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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:24 AM
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25. Not a credible number
1e6 dead implies another 3e6 wounded - so that 1/8 of the total population has been killed or wounded. That is only one problem. Go read

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/beyond/reality-checks/

Just scale everything up by a factor of 1.5
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