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lebkuchen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 03:20 PM Original message |
Four killed at Chicago-area shopping center |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Terrible loss... |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. Because guns don't kill people— |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I would only add... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
70. Funny- I'm in a gun free zone- and never have to worry about being shot at |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #70 |
97. Let me guess |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #70 |
134. actually |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. And gun free zones |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. So you're saying, had it not been a gun-free zone, those ladies |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. It would have been their choice |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Maybe they wished the deranged shooter didn't have a gun. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. There is a BAN in Chicago |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #63 |
220. the Swiss? |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. they arent that easy |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #64 |
94. Or buy them at a gun show. Or used, from an individual. Or stolen. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. They couldn't control what someone else has |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
95. "They were responsible for their own safety and failed"? |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Yep, SCOTUS says so. n/t |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 08:47 AM Response to Reply #95 |
107. Sarah Brady would be proud of you...nt |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #107 |
114. Thanks. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #107 |
163. She probably would, since I, an unarmed woman, faced an armed robber |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #163 |
194. you were lucky |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #163 |
195. also |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #163 |
206. OK |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #95 |
137. so all that matters |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #95 |
207. Think what you must |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #66 |
109. Well, There You Have It |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #109 |
123. I think this might help gun people understand... |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #123 |
150. What A Great And Profound Editorial Cartoon |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #150 |
167. I know. They don't even think about it. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. Every time more than 3 people get shot and an LBN |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #123 |
164. Stereotyping people is always a good way to demonize them when you don't have any rational argument |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #123 |
178. Funny cartoon, reminds me of my dad |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
161. So, by that logic, I've failed because I've been in the presence of an armed man, |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #161 |
190. i dont get the point |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #161 |
205. There's a lot of people shot |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Behold the fruits of "gun control"; armed criminal, unarmed law abiding citizens |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. "How's that working out for you?" |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. And when and where I grew up, EVERBODY had guns. No mass shootings that I recall either. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. "BTW, we're talking about America, not NSW." |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. "exceptionalism". I see. So Au and Us are identical. No differences? None? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Oddly enough, there's a similar history with respect to the frontier |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. America and Australia are two very different countries. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Having lived in both |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. So...... |
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boilinmad (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #96 |
138. Dont speak for all Americans... |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #138 |
148. How do you feel about abortions? |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #148 |
162. I Think That Whenever Someone Uses A Fetus..... |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. some people |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #162 |
175. Deleted message |
Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #138 |
177. 60 million people. 200 million firearms. est. That looks pretty clear to me. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #76 |
173. Well... they don't appear to have mass shootings-- |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
99. um, yeah......no such thing as murder in NSW (here's your sign) |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #99 |
212. Compare the murder rate of all of Australia with Texas |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #212 |
215. Your point is moot - NSW has murders, mass & otherwise n/t |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 08:45 AM Response to Reply #215 |
218. Denial is often an effective coping mechanism |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #218 |
222. If denying murders occur in NSW helps you cope, more power to you. n/t |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. just want to remind you |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. Do you think there's a pent up demand to carry guns at plus size clothing stores? |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. I can't speak for the plus sized womens contingent. I'm a male. |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #83 |
117. No, they're not. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #117 |
180. I wasn't talking to you. |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #180 |
209. I was talking to you. |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. afraid to see the other side of the coin are we |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. most likely... probably...? Sounds like until there are details nobody knows shit. |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #87 |
127. hey i didnt start this debate |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
92. If we had real gun control, we wouldn't have 200 million guns |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #92 |
102. How many calls to get a hooker, with an 8ball,and a bit of dope |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Bullshit. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. I love switzerland |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #104 |
110. You're either ignorant or dishonest. |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #110 |
152. its already spelled out what well-regulated means |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #110 |
156. When I served in the NC NG |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. the sad fact is |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #156 |
183. Because they're properly trained and their guns are closely tracked |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #183 |
185. couple of things |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. See my post below. |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #186 |
191. ahh but we do already |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #183 |
193. Seems there is a movement for everything.. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Nor did they when they had equal availability of guns as the US |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. In Iraq and Afghanistan, everybody has guns. It's like an NRA wet dream. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #112 |
119. Just as I suspected |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #119 |
124. Links please. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Nobody said anything |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #126 |
129. LOL. |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #129 |
132. so it would be better |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #129 |
136. So you admit that you don't really care if overall homicide rates |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #136 |
144. Woo hoo! |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #144 |
146. i dont think anyone will argue |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #144 |
147. Any stats or just more gut feelings? |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #147 |
153. Lordy. |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. distribution of wealth |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #153 |
204. That is the $49,000 question |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #124 |
135. smoogatz |
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boilinmad (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #112 |
143. Its nice to see... |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #143 |
145. who the hell are you |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #143 |
149. Deleted message |
Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. Thanks For Elevating The Level Of Discourse (n/t) |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #151 |
171. Precisely what I did. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #112 |
179. uh, they're not safe now because of w, not because people there own guns... |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #103 |
130. all you see |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #130 |
131. link please. |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #131 |
133. here you go |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #133 |
140. From your PDF: |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #140 |
141. you dont get it |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #141 |
154. The UK has so few homicides that a single anomalous incident--like the |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #154 |
157. and you prove my point |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #157 |
170. The homicide rate wasn't greatly affected because the number of guns |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #170 |
181. it depends |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #181 |
184. I think all gun owners should be required to serve one weekend a month |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #184 |
189. here i go |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #184 |
196. Did we ban the sale of alcohol and heroin |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #140 |
142. lets also play a little more |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #131 |
139. and if you type in |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #68 |
111. How would we know, the US doesn't have real gun control. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #111 |
120. What does this mean? |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Throw in a comma after, "siblings". I didn't edit for punctuation because |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #121 |
125. Of what statistics do you speak, link? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #111 |
158. I want a colt M4 |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. home swimming pools |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
172. Or, maybe in the last moments of their lives, |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #172 |
182. since it was most likely a robbery |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #182 |
202. I'm afraid I don't see how your statement precludes |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
55. gun free zones |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
203. Absolutely gun don't kill people-- |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. As long as the shooter's *second amendment rights* (NRA Version) were in no way impinged |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Whats funny is you claim to carea bout the victims and families... |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. sorry -- had your fellow ammophiles accuse me of lying when I mentioned a student's |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. "Cause you know, us gun people have to pretend to be against this sort of thing." |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Gun folk are glad to say the shooter should be in jail *after the fact* |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. first off |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. quit equivocating -- it's sickening: Surprise me instead: How do we *prevent* gun violence |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. This would be a discussion for the gungeon |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. you want to snark, but you don't want to debate? |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. if you want to debate how this shooting could be |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. right -- this has nothing to do with overall gun violence. Right. |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. start a post right now |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. The same way you prevent OD from Heroin |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. uh, generally the way it's prevented is when it's controlled and regulated by the government |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Coke and Oxy too.. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
198. so you're in favor of an unregulated drug industry, too! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. Firearms are regulated, want proof? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #199 |
200. Tacking a 10 year minimum, after the carnage, is of little comfort |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #200 |
201. You think this peckerwood |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #201 |
213. You're the one who thinks the current flow of firearms is just fine. What do *you* propose |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #213 |
214. As I said |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #214 |
217. the typical circle: Sure, shooting someone's a crime. How do you keep |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #200 |
208. "Further, guns aren't regulated to nearly the degree cars are" |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #208 |
216. Edweird, instead of ad hominum, AM-radio style attempted zingers, |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #216 |
223. well, then, here you go. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #216 |
224. Here are a few points: |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Actually, the Swiss only have access to semi-autos |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. What military would that be? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Hundreds of thousands of reservists have ready access |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Reservists are still military, though |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Yes you can own an NFA |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
77. The Swiss have rigorous hand gun control. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #77 |
101. But a guardsman can keep his sig550 |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #101 |
106. I don't think rifles are evil. |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #106 |
128. strict handgun control probably has |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #106 |
166. Controls are in place |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #166 |
188. If there are laws on the books that are not being enforced, |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #188 |
192. so lets |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #188 |
197. The NFA is effective because it is enforced.. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #77 |
165. Not as rigorous as you probably think. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. First off: this happened in a GUN FREE ZONE, in a heavily REGULATED area. |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. ill also add |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. I don't give a crap about stopping "gun" violence |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
48. Here is how you prevent gun violence: |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Bingo! |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. but that doesnt work well for soundbites |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Yeah, well, they can soundbite my ass! |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
71. I agree with your post |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
78. Anyone Who Doesn't Have Their Head Up Their Ass..... |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Uh, gun activist smokescreen? |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. You Know, Growing Up With Guns..... |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. What "gun militancy mantra"? |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #93 |
116. Nobody Believes That Inanimate Objects Kill Anybody. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #116 |
176. ok. I'm in total agreement. now for the hard part... |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #176 |
187. I Believe We'll Just Have To Disagree On This |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #78 |
100. Trillions of dollars? |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #100 |
118. See My Comment About Public And Political Will (n/t) |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
69. Also, show me these gun people that want him "jailed after the fact" |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Shameless |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. And you can't wait to start apologizing for the NRA's "let a thousand guns bloom" position! |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. what does the NRA have to do with this |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. aren't you the guy that doesn't want to debate? |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:29 PM Original message |
ohh i love debating |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. ohh i love debating |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Evidently! |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. debating |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. Deleted message |
bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. you are mistaken |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
39. Leaping in without facts, are we? |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
40. If anyone it is you who LOVES to hear of high profile gun murders |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
7. The gunman wasn't found... pretty unusual |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
80. The strip mall's right by an exit to I-80, from what I read. |
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ladywnch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
8. if only some of the customers or associates in thes store had guns |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I Wish Your Comment Could Be Confined To Sarcasm |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. It always has been the law of the jungle out there... |
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skater314159 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
44. Ping! |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. Nice little kitty now... |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
74. The Law Of The Jungle May Reign To Some Extent |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #74 |
89. That's correct, you shoudn't revel in it. And so I do not. |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. well it would of been nice if somebody could of shot back at him |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Like the guy who planned a mass murder at church.. |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. actually |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
47. Perhaps the opposite would work, then. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
62. The only people I ever hear this |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #62 |
113. Maybe because gun freaks are already stating on this thread that |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #113 |
122. There have definitely ben statements from both sides of this issue which are |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
16. this is a horrible tragedy |
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rsmith6621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
41. Update.. 5 shot dead at suburban Chicago store |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. and the gunman is still on the loose, how sad. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Deleted message |
alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
58. South Side |
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bossy22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
67. the shooting |
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Oldtimeralso (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-02-08 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
90. This is not a "Gun Free Zone" |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
108. ..and this "gun slinger" SHOULDN'T get the DEATH penality because ?.... |
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superconnected (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
115. yet another mass murder where the majority of victims are women. |
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McHatin (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-03-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #115 |
174. Erm... |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #174 |
210. I don't really buy that his primary thought was robbery |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-04-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #115 |
211. Uh, it was a women's clothing store... |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-05-08 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
219. Hope they catch that bastard. nt |
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221. News articles said Lane Bryant didn't have a security camera. |
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