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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:00 PM
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Bush raps Obama pledge to meet hostile leaders
Source: Rueters

U.S. President George W. Bush on Thursday sharply criticized foreign policies advocated by Democratic front-runner Barack Obama, saying it would be a mistake to meet the leaders of Iran and Cuba without preconditions or swiftly change course in Iraq.

"I'm not suggesting there's never a time to talk, but I'm suggesting now is not the time ... to talk with Raul Castro," Bush told a White House news conference after being asked about Obama's willingness to meet with the new Cuban president, Raul Castro.

"It will send the wrong message. ... It will give great status to those who have suppressed human rights and human dignity," Bush added, saying there was no difference between Raul Castro and his brother, Fidel, who recently stepped aside as president because of ill health.

It was the first major instance of Bush injecting himself into the presidential race to choose who will succeed him in the November election, with his unpopular Iraq war a major debating point on the campaign trail.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080228/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc



I have to preface my remarks because I don't want anyone to think this is another "let's bash one of our candidates thread because I'm supporting the other person." I was for Gore and than Edwards. After Edwards was stiffed by the media's coverage I was so pissed off I decided "I'm done and whoever gets the nomination between Clinton and Obama gets my vote."

But I HAD to point this out! In this article, Obama gets bullshit from two different assholes and fires back so eloquently and forcefully I felt a tremendous swelling of pride. (and as a Democrat that feeling has not been too prevalent lately.)
I still refuse to move from my "neutral" position for the remaining primaries, but I will speak out when one of candidates hits a huge verbal "homerun."

THAT WAS SWEET!
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:01 PM
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1. Obama is on the verge of winning more votes in Texas than McCain...
...and Mr. 19% shows up to criticize him?

Nice try. :rofl:
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:05 PM
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2. The pukes know McCain has already won - and they got their letters from the GOP
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 08:06 PM by BeatleBoot
So, you're right. Obama will beat McCain in Texas most likely on March 4th.

But not for the reasons I think you are touting.


http://republicansforobama.org/?q=node/359


E-mail to send to Texas Republicans


Attention All Texas Republicans and Independents!!

On March 4th, Texas Republicans and Independents will have an opportunity to end Hillary Clinton's (and Bill's) presidential ambitions once and for all!

Since Texas has on open primary, Republicans and Independents should sign in at their polling place and request a Democratic ballot. They should then vote for Barack Obama. Even James Carville admits that if Hillary loses Texas, "she's done!" Republicans can help make this a reality!!! Just think, no more Clintons in the White House!

Voting Democratic this one time will have NO effect on your ability to vote in the next Republican primary or obviously on your vote in November. Since John McCain has the Republican nomination locked up, voting for McCain or Huckabee at this point will have no effect on the outcome on the Republican side.

After you vote during early voting or on March 4th, you ARE NOT done! Report back to your regular polling place at 7PM on March 4th to sign the Barack Obama list for caucus delegates. In a little known Texas voting quirk, 67 delegates to the Democratic convention will be seated because of these caucuses. This is a full one-third of the total number of Texas delegates. For Hillary to lose, she has to lose the primary votes AND the caucus votes.

I urge you to vote against Hillary Clinton by voting for Barack Obama. Please forward this e-mail to all your Texas Republican and Independent friends so that we can help ensure the Clinton's defeat on March 4th!!!
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:24 PM
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11. Back then it was called detente - we need to bring it back to our vocabularies (youngsters
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 09:27 PM by Hestia
go read about it on wikipedia - it's there, I made sure).

Did no one notice this paragraph:

After you vote during early voting or on March 4th, you ARE NOT done! Report back to your regular polling place at 7PM on March 4th to sign the Barack Obama list for caucus delegates. In a little known Texas voting quirk, 67 delegates to the Democratic convention will be seated because of these caucuses. This is a full one-third of the total number of Texas delegates. For Hillary to lose, she has to lose the primary votes AND the caucus votes.

WTFH? Does this mean that Republican's are going to muscle their way in at the Texas Democratic Convention? That oughtta be fun...can't beat them fairly, so try to beat them at their own convention?
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:46 PM
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13. OK. Whatever. So they get to beat "The Clintons" with their little game.
The really funny part is that they also believe that Senator Obama can be beat by them in the General Election. They want to shoot Senator Clinton down because they believe "the fix will be in" if she gets the Dem nomination.
What a bunch of MORANS!
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:52 PM
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15. Bush is just sayin what Hillary said last Summer...
She thought agreeing to talk with ememies made Obama "irresponsible and frankly naive".

Now Bush agrees. What a surprise....sarc
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:09 PM
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3. Best response. Hope we'll hear this one again and again,
and I bet we will.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:31 PM
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12. Best Response: Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer nt
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:10 PM
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4. another boosting endorsment
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:33 PM
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5. During the Cold War we talked to the Soviets all the time.
The President had a hot line telephone on his desk that went straight to Moscow.

But Bush and Cheney want war, not talk.
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:36 PM
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6. Foreign Policy advice from George Bush is worse than cooking tips from Hannibal Lecture.
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:36 PM
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7. Foreign Policy advice from George Bush is worse than cooking tips from Hannibal Lecture.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:36 PM
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8. wow, they must really be going into full panic mode. A threat to their neocon agenda
Because of most everything this administration did, the middle east is more unstable then it has been in years, the cold war has been brought back between Russia and the U.S., and we are very much on the brink since they decided to disregard treaties such as the ABM treaty

Nixon had no problem talking with "Red China", WITHOUT preconditions. Reagan had no problem talking with the Soviets, WITHOUT preconditions, and every previous administration, Democratic or republican tried to further the peace process between the Israellis and the Palestinians. When this administration took office, they insured that all talks negotiations were stopped in the middle east, and they killed the Sunshine talks between North and South Korea

Their entire administration represents failure, and potential endless war

Let's hope the PEOPLE recognize it this time for what it is





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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:41 PM
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9. Only Republicans are allowed ...
to do stuff like that. Examples include Nixon going to China and toasting Mao, or Rummy shaking hands with Sadam the Kurd-killer. On the other hand, if a Democratic politician was to be found in posession of a stale Cuban cigar it would be grounds for impeachment!
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:17 PM
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10. The chimp talking about "human rights and dignity" is like Cheney
talking about gun control.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:32 PM
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14. With the way Texas hates Bush now, it is to Obama's advantage when Bush
threatens him in a tyraid.
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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:08 PM
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16. Here's another opportunity....
...for Obama to shove this right back into McCain's face. How about a response like, 'It would seem, from Senator McCain's reluctance to have discussions with people with whom we don't necessarily agree, that he's afraid that he'll be made to look bad in the process...I have no such fear.'
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Malmo Blue Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:09 PM
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17. Bush Foreign Policy
"No, we're not going to talk to you. Just kick back, do what you're doing...
...and look out for the bombs, 'cause we will bomb you."

Another reason why I can't wait 'til Obama gets elected.
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:35 PM
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18. It's Really Kind Of Touching
...that G.W. Bush at this point thinks his comments have any actual effect on the world.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:21 AM
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19. Most people, with a track record like his,
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 08:22 AM by tanyev
of successes dismal failures, would realize that it is time to STFU.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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20. President Bush stomps Barack Obama for willingness to meet unfriendly states
Source: New York Daily News

President Bush took on Barack Obama for the first time in the 2008 campaign Thursday, scolding the Democratic front-runner for his willingness to meet with the leaders of unfriendly nations.

Obama shot back that the next President must show the world "a new era is being ushered in, and that we are not afraid to talk to anybody, including those who we have great problems with."

At a White House press conference, Bush warned that a President meeting with rogue dictators would send "chilling signals" to the world and sow "confusion about our foreign policy."

"It'll send the wrong message," Bush said. "It'll send a discouraging message to those who wonder whether America will continue to work for the freedom of prisoners. It'll give great status to those who have suppressed human rights and human dignity."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/02/29/2008-02-29_president_bush_stomps_barack_obama_for_w.html





Sen. Barack Obama, holding young supporter in Austin, Tex., forced President Bush into the ring.



Bush blasted the Illinois senator for his willingness to meet with leaders of rogue nations.
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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21. It's a shame * can't freeze that way....
n/t
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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22. Isn't Obama running on a poliical platform of "CHANGE".
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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23. Yeah...because, as we all know...
diplomacy is a BAD thing. :eyes:
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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24. Stomp?
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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27. I know, I know...
...more than a little "editorializing" by the paper, but LBN rules require me to post the headline "as is."

It's the sound of a lame duck quacking, but if the paper wants to characterize it as "stomping," it's good for a laugh.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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34. Well, it's pretty much a tabloid. Just look at the cover.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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25. Talk about irony in his message
"It'll send the wrong message," Bush said. "It'll send a discouraging message to those who wonder whether America will continue to work for the freedom of prisoners(just not those at Gitmo and other undisclosed locations). It'll give great status to those who have suppressed human rights and human dignity(Like Bush, Cheney and their cronies)."


The figure of a Guantanamo Bay detainee wearing a hood and shackles was placed inside the Big Thunder Mountain Railroad ride at Disneyland.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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26. yeah because the US has never done that before
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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28. get lost, mr *
I'm so sick of listening to you jawbone that I don't believe I can stand it. I will be so very happy when your hiding in your spider hole in Paraguay as the world pursues you for war crimes.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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31. Let him talk...
And while you're down at the bottom of that hole Dubya, can I throw you another shovel?
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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29. What the hell does Junior know?
He's the worst president ever. Whatever he has done, just do the exact opposite.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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30. Did the headline really say "stomps"? Talk about hyperbole. Whoa. n/t
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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33. Yes, it did...see my response above.
It's the damned liberal media in action!

:rofl:
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:49 AM
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43. Sorry. I see your post. I posted mine on another thread and
the threads were combined.

Well, GMTA!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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32. Hey! Even George "Oblivious" Bush Now Knows About Obama!
And he hasn't even confused him with Osama!

The grassroots campaign has managed to penetrate the dead wood.

Now, that's Progress!
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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40. Good point. Even the Chimp knows his name now, and the fact
that he attacked is full evidence that Obama is getting under his skin. LOL.
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DetlefK Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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35. Prisons? Human rights? Human dignities?
Yeah, bombing people is a much easier way to ensure peace.

Let's bomb that country (U-something-A or so) that has a record number of it's population behind bars. That'll teach them to treat it's people right.

Or let's bomb Cuba! I heard there's a prison camp on Cuba where human rights and human dignity are routinely violated!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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36. Maybe if we meet with these countries they would become friendly
But then I guess we wouldn't have need for more bombs
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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37. no 'stomping' here
just bush being the ignorant asshole we all know him to be.
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kentj44 Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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38. i wonder why
ronnie rayguns sat down with gorbachev?
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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39. That's right, George W. Bush,
you just go on talking. Go on the offensive in sync with John McCain. Stick your ugly mug into the contest, strengthening the bond between your disastrous "Presidency" and McCain.

That does nothing but HELP Obama.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM
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41. Shrub is so dim you almost feel sorry for him. Did anyone mention
North Korea? For years on end, nothing happened because we weren't talking to them. We start talking and - surprise, surprise - progress is made. I noticed Bush is slurring again - meds or booze?
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:20 AM
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42. This attitude is what drove Fidel to the Soviets
in 1959 in the first place.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:22 PM
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44. Anyone hear what he said yesterrday?
During his press conference he actually said: "Now is not the time to not have a dialogue with Cuba."
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:40 PM
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45. Because your foreign policy approach has worked so incredibly well over the past eight years Dumbass
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 04:42 PM by socialdemocrat1981
:eyes:
Go away and spend the rest of your term in Crawford, where you already seem to have spent most of your term anyway in between creating unecessary wars
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:42 PM
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46. Bush: Bomb'em first, ask questions second - heh heh heh n/t
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