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Newsjock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:12 AM Original message |
Quaker teacher fired for changing (California state) loyalty oath |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
1. Some religions are more equal than others, I guess. n/t |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
2. I had to sign one when I started teaching |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Not all states at the college or university level... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. I've never had to sign one |
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grilled onions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
3. Why Do Teachers have To Sign Such A Thing |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. One would think so |
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pop goes the weasel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #4 |
22. McCarthy |
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Debau2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. I was a state employee |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Does Alabama HAVE a constitution? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. You'd think if someone actually intended harm to the country ... |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
5. I never thought I could be ashamed of my beloved bay area |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. The East Bay has plenty of Repuke strongholds. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Hey, it made the paper. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
23. You need to catch Brian Copeland's one man show about |
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Sequoia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
24. Quakers were hung in Boston before the Revolutionary War. |
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IowaGirl (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. Why were they hung? |
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Tanuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. More about the hanging of Quakers in Boston here: |
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Sequoia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Their religion. |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. The Quakers, I believe |
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Sequoia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks. |
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Agony (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Nixon remained a Quaker for his whole life. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. I guess hitler never attended sunday mass |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
6. Loyalty Oath? For a Teacher? To "defend the constitution"? WTF? |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. No it is a state loyalty oath |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
7. Doesn't she get "points" for signing an Oath? |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I think you are right. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. That's why she changed "swear" to "affirm" |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Anyone, not just Quakers is allowed to affirm. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #28 |
54. Quakers are permitted *by their faith* to affirm |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
47. Actually, CHRISTERS are FORBIDDEN to take any OATH |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
37. That's why she crossed out 'swear' and circled 'affirm'. |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
11. that's ridiculous |
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TooBigaTent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. As I was forced to swear on a bible when I appeared in court, I felt under no obligation |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. are u sure |
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TooBigaTent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I was not given a choice. A bible was shoved in my face etc... nt |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. fair enough |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. It's a good idea to make this decision beforehand |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
15. California needs only swearing, violent teachers. n/t |
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Veronica.Franco (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
21. Should be quite a settlement in her favor ... |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. I doubt that it will be found illegal |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
26. Loyalty Oaths is a nutshell |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
27. oddly enough, I'm CSU faculty and I don't recall ever signing a loyalty oath.... |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I didn't sign one either, as far as I can recall |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
29. Quakers have made great combat medics IIRC |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
32. Not everybody will show their love for their country violently |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Then they should LEAVE IT |
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pingzing58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
33. Archaic system, with archaic ideas. One step forward, ten steps back. |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. This is progressive. In several states atheists cannot |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
35. Next, all teachers will be required to wear U.S. flag lapel pins (made in China)! |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. "Next, all teachers will be required to wear U.S. flag lapel pins (made in China)!" |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
38. Yep, I signed that to teach in public school. |
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panzerfaust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
41. kim.huggett@csueastbay.edu |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
46. Loyalty oath? What about the anti-communist declaration? |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
53. I guess I signed that oath. |
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