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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:24 PM
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Wes Clark: McCain Doesn't Have the Right Kind of Military Experience To Be Commander-in-Chief
Source: National Review

On a just-finished conference call in which retired military leaders endorsed Hillary Clinton to be commander in chief, retired General Wesley Clark said John McCain's military experience is not the right kind of experience to command the nation's armed forces:

In the national security business, the question is, do you have — when you have served in uniform, do you really have the relevant experience for making the decisions at the top that have to be made? Everybody admires John McCain's service as a fighter pilot, his courage as a prisoner of war. There's no issue there. He's a great man and an honorable man. But having served as a fighter pilot — and I know my experience as a company commander in Vietnam — that doesn’t prepare you to be commander-in-chief in terms of dealing with the national strategic issues that are involved. It may give you a feeling for what the troops are going through in the process, but it doesn't give you the experience first hand of the national strategic issues.

If you look at what Hillary Clinton has done during her time as the First Lady of the United States, her travel to 80 countries, her representing the U.S. abroad, plus her years in the Senate, I think she's the most experienced and capable person in the race, not only for representing am abroad, but for dealing with the tough issues of national security.


Speaking just after Clark, retired Admiral William Owens, former vice chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, said, "I would just say that I agree with Wes on that."

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:30 PM
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1. IMO none of the candidates who started the race have the requisite experience. That's why it's
vitally important for a president and Secretary of Defense have the intelligence and temperament to listen to the Joint Chiefs of Staff on all military matters.

Dubya and Rumsfeld are perhaps the worst combination this nation has ever had in their positions.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:32 PM
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2. He's correct on his assement of McCain.
It's a damn shame Wes isn't the one running.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:30 PM
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17. Goddamn Right MrSlayer
A damn shame indeed.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:39 PM
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29. he would be the best president we ever had. also, this is
the great divide between flyers and those on the ground. my uncles felt the same way and they fought in WWII. If you don't have dirt on your face, you can't know what a fuck up war truly is.
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:47 PM
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3. Should Hillary get nominated
I betcha anything she'll pick Wes Clark as VP. Between them, there's nothing McCain can claim as an advantage to their team.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:58 PM
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31. If Hillary announced Clark as her choice, I bet it could have swung the
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 07:59 PM by Ilsa
tide in her direction in Texas from the too-close-to-call situation we have now.

I worked on Clark's 2004 campaign from my home in Texas.
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singilarpoint Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:47 PM
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4. V.P CHOICE
I hear, from time to time people mention Clark for the Democratic V.P choice. I myself wanted Webb from Virginia until I found out he voted for telecom immunity, I think Clark would be an alright choice. But I'd really love to see Feingold.........
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:17 PM
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10. Don't forget that Clark strongly opposed the Iraq invasion.
Just as strongly as Feingold. But he would bring credentials to the ticket that Feingold wouldn't.

Welcome to DU, V.P Choice!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:53 PM
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5. I've actually thought about that myself. Being a pilot, and a POW
doesn't really give you the leadership experience that he's claiming. He's a FAR CRY from an Eisenhower!
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:31 PM
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12. name one President in the 20th century
that had Eisenhower's military experience. Wilson didn't, Roosevelt didn't, Truman didn't. Kennedy didn't. So fucking what. In the 19th century Grant had the most military experience of any President. Look at his administration. Lincoln had two months in the militia during the Black Hawk War, look at his accomplishments. Even Clark has no way the military experience of Eisenhower. Last time I checked, military experience was not a constitutional requirement for the office.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:32 PM
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18. Clark Is The Most Decorated Solder Since Eisenhower
But correct me if I'm wrong.
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FalconsRule Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:51 AM
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21. I don't think that's
accurate. And being "the most decorated" is actually highly subjective. Remember quality over quantity when it comes to decorations.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:16 AM
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23. That May Be True
But number of medals do not necessarily denote competence. I have no doubt about General Clark's professional credentials. Nor do I doubt his competence. But medal count is not a very reliable way to evaluate the capabilities of military officers.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:31 AM
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19. I didn't say it was necessary, I said McCain can't CLAIM his
military experience gives him the best experience to be a President. I don't THINK the other Presidents you mentioned RAN claiming that qualfication.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:19 AM
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24. Correct
But I do remember a recent Democratic Presidential candidate that touted his miliary experience as part of his qualification to be President. Having some experience in the armed services I believe goes in the plus column of qualifications, but it should never be the major factor is selecting a president.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:56 PM
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6.  I would take Clark over the two front runners in a heartbeat.
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rosetta627 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:07 PM
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8. I would too.
I'm not saying he's perfect, I'm just saying he's great.

Then again I'd take Dennis Kucinich over Wes Clark.
He's damn near perfect.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:04 AM
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22. Now, THAT'S what I'm talking about....
Amen, fellow DU/DK'er!
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:18 PM
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11. Copy that. K&R

:kick:

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:06 PM
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7. he was a pilot. but th 5 yrs being water boarded an on th wrong end of a cattle prod is questionable
he did make statements on camera and in writing for the Cong, against the United States, but everybody is willing to ignore that. i cant ever ignore that he is willing to torture others the same way to extract the same lies he told the Cong.. there is something definitely wrong with that, mentally wrong
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:41 PM
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14. He couldn't help it ...

I'm sorry but you cannot fault Clark for reading statements at gunpoint.

If I were the Democratic candidate, I would credit McCain for standing for resisting Vietncong torture but caving to GW Bush. Then have surrogates make the appropriate correction. Translation, the man folds like a cardboard box under pressure.

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:31 PM
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15. You mean McCain,
right?

And I agree that he has caved to GWB and hasn't been held for it, but that's for later, right?
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:50 PM
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30. AFAIC, it's good experience for someone who might influence national torture policy
McCain was singled out in prison for especially bad (but nonfatal) treatment because he is an admiral's son. The Viet Cong were going to let him die of his crash injuries until they realized what a P.R. coup they had. So they gave him just enough medical care to allow him to survive, and then they started torturing him. They *really* wanted his confessions.

His book is an interesting read. Given that he's the repug candidate, we ought to follow Sun-tzu's advice: If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.



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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:31 PM
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9. bill clinton had LESS experience than either mcCain OR Hillary nt
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:34 PM
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16. Yes he did,
and he needed and received advice from others; they ALL need advice of one type or another. Isn't the question really about their judgment to seek and use GOOD advice? I think both of these appear able to have such.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:38 PM
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13. Wahhh ????

I think Wes Clark has a relevant perspective by pointing out that only those involved in military planning like Colonel's and Generals really have the type of insight to second guess the joint chiefs. But when he's complimenting Hillary, he seems to contradicting himself. She didn't even have a security clearance.

Wes stuck his foot in his mouth on this one.

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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:42 AM
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20. Good! Attack him on his strengths. First Dean on honesty, now Clark on his military experience.
A very nice one two punch. Now if the Democrats can keep this up and avoid a civil war over the nomination we might actually win this thing.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:41 AM
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25. I call BS on clarks claims
just like I have called it BS on other forums when people try to use a similar tactic against Obama.
You dont need experience in war to be president nor do you need any prior government experience, it can help sometimes sure but you dont "need" either really to do a good job as president.
In fact our government is setup partly in such a way that anyone may run for the office so as to avoid a ruling class or atleast to mitigate any such attempts to establish such a thing.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:10 AM
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26. Redacted
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 09:16 AM by ContraBass Black
Misread.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:02 AM
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27. K&R #4 for haHAH!1 Neither did Poppy BUSH, crashing TWO planes, dead crew n/t
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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:54 PM
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28. Not a smart thing to do, in my opinion
It will backfire, no doubt, and look like a belittleing of McCain's military bonafides, which one must acknowledge, are definitely there.

To ignore those credentials or to embrace Gloria Steinam's comments is not good politics.
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