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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 11:38 AM
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New home test boosts anti-smoking case..Detector measures passive exposure
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3996062/

washingtonpost.com Highlights
New home test boosts anti-smoking case
Detector measures passive exposure
By Avram Goldstein

Updated: 12:19 a.m. ET Jan. 19, 2004

Martha S. Jones has asthma, so whenever her husband, Bob, lights up at their Woodbridge home, the agreement is that he steps outside.
She used to think that protected her from exposure to the more than 4,000 chemical compounds found in cigarette smoke, 43 of which are known to cause cancer in humans or animals. Then she tried a new do-it-yourself urine test for detecting exposure to secondhand smoke, and her sense of security dissolved. The test rated her at 2 on a scale of 6 -- one notch below that of a regular smoker. Jones said she was shocked to register such a high level of passive smoke exposure, which she thinks came from nicotine residue in her husband's car and time spent with his smoking friends away from their house. Now she is working -- delicately -- to persuade her husband to quit, she said.

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The manufacturer, Nymox Corp. of Maywood, N.J., says the $15 test can be used to measure the secondhand smoke exposure of employees in smoky workplaces and people who live with smokers. One expert says it could be used in child custody cases. Sneaking a smoke?
The company's medical director, Michael Munzar, says it can show whether teenagers have sneaked cigarettes, athletes have violated no-smoking policies or life insurance applicants have been truthful about qualifying for nonsmoker rates. Munzar said TobacAlert also can be used to monitor the progress of people trying to quit smoking and to encourage them. Deborah L. Marion of the Wellness Council of West Virginia uses a similar nicotine test available only to medical professionals as many as 40 times a day at health fairs -- to great effect. It's sobering, she said, for smokers to see a numerical value showing the exposure of a spouse or child.

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"This is really bad news for smokers," said Arthur Caplan, chairman of medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania. The testing could be used to force employers to make workplaces safer, he said. "It's one thing to kvetch; it's another thing to bring in a number."John F. Banzhaf III, executive director of Action on Smoking and Health and a public interest law professor at George Washington University, sees advantages and disadvantages. "I see it as a major new weapon in the nonsmokers' rights movement -- particularly the movement to protect young children," he said.

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Visions of '1984'
TobacAlert, which Doyle said uses identical patented technology, is sold as a home test, with a disclaimer that it is for nonmedical use. It is being sold by Drugstore.com and CVS.com, and CVS is test-marketing it in six of its 4,100 stores. The product may be drawn into charged situations, such as custody disputes, said David L. Levy, president of the Children's Rights Council, a national group trying to protect children from custody battles. " '1984' is encroaching more and more," he said. "The philosophy seems to be that if you can do something, you must do it." John Crouch, an Arlington family lawyer and a recent chairman of the American Bar Association's child custody committee, said a growing number of judges are considering a child's exposure to secondhand smoke as a factor in custody decisions.

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"We are moving to an age in which we're only going to determine truth through chemistry," Caplan said. "I suspect this continues our policy of, 'Don't believe what I say, believe what I excrete.' "

© 2003 The Washington Post Company
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 11:43 AM
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1. Big Brother Marches On. -NT-
Jay
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wysimdnwyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 12:02 PM
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2. I think this is great product
As an ex-smoker, I am very conscious of cigarette smoke. I am now reluctant to go to most bars, as the smoke annoys me greatly. I quit smoking not only so I could save money, but so I would not stink and for my health. If I lived with a smoker, I think this would be great ammunition to try to get them to quit.


Oh, and to head off a discussion in that direction, I think it would be very bad for employers or the government to require these tests of anyone.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 12:16 PM
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3. Some already do..
I cannot remember which city it is, but they require their city employes to be random tested and if they show up positive for tobacco, they are fired..

I am waiting for the "donut/pizza/taco" tester.. Those little beauties are clogging many an artery, and MY TAX DOLLARS pay for their bypasses too :)
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 12:27 PM
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5. These Are The Uses I Am Talking About.
-SNIP-
"One expert says it could be used in child custody cases. Sneaking a smoke?
The company's medical director, Michael Munzar, says it can show whether teenagers have sneaked cigarettes, athletes have violated no-smoking policies or life insurance applicants have been truthful about qualifying for nonsmoker rates."

-SNIP-

I think that if someone wants to buy these things for personal use thats great. Of course I'm a smoker so I'm sure there is some personal bias in there. ;)

Jay
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 03:44 PM
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6. I happen to know a heavey smoker that lies for life insurance coverage.
And brags about it. To me, the man is just a petty sneak-thief..... I had to take medical tests to get my insurance. Let him take this tobacco test to qualify for his non-smoker status.... Works for me, especially if my payments are subsidizing his coverage.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 03:57 PM
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7. I Have No Problems With Insurance Applicants Having To Take...
a tobacco test prior to their being issued a policy. I had to take one myself and failed miserably. What I have a problem with is the idea of ongoing, never-ending testing once a person has passed his/her initial test.

Jay
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:07 PM
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10. Here's the problem with that lie
When he dies, it will be noted on his death certificate that he was a smoker, and if the couse of death is smoking related, they will not pay the claim..

He's paying money for nothing :(

I wish we had bought more insurance back in the day before they rated smokers.. It's not impossible for us to get insurance due to my husband's diabetes and the fact that he smokes.:(..

Note to you youngsters.. buy insurance with a fixed premium, while you are young and healthy.. You WILL want it later, and the older you get the more it costs and the more likely that you will be "rated" for some medical condition that you will develop later in llife :(
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 12:21 PM
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4. I wonder if they have a detector for industrial and auto exhaust??
I would think that that would be a more pressing concern to people, since it effects EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING. :eyes:
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 05:51 PM
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8. Agreed....
tobacco smoke is but one pollutant and it is being used as a cover for all the other sources of pollution. There are carcinogens/mutagens/hormone disrupting chemicals coming from corporate smokestacks that are awful.

Live near a paper mill? Very corrosive chemicals come from these stacks...(sulfuric acid and dioxin to name just two)

Ever wash clothes using chlorine? Since almost all of our textile goods are treated with formaldehyde, there is a chance that a very nasty chemical is being created in your washing machine and the air in your laundry room -
bis chloromethyl ether (BCME). This one causes small cell lung cancer - the cancer that is affecting so many women now.

Use lots of air fresheners in the house? These products are not made with the essence of flowers, but lots of nasty chemicals. Some of these have been shown by Anderson Labs to affect the central nervous system. Before wearing scents or exposing your children, check out:
http://www.fpinva.org
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WildClarySage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 06:50 PM
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9. Drug and alcohol treatment centers are moving toward
no tobacco use, and these babies let the staff know if someone is using tobacco while off-premises (on passes, etc.) Given that crack cocaine use kills 14 people every day and tobacco kills over 1000, it's probably a good idea to help people quit smoking while in rehab.

I could use smokers rehab myself. :smoke:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 07:38 PM
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11. Ah, the land of the free....
the home of the Nanny
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