Libya blocks U.N. condemnation of Jerusalem seminary attack

Source: CNN

The U.N. Security Council failed to reach a consensus when it met to consider condemning an attack that killed eight people at a prominent Jewish seminary as an act of terrorism.

The council said Libya -- a new, nonpermanent member -- blocked the statement on Thursday night. Ibrahim Dabbashi, Libya's deputy ambassador to the United Nations, said the attack on the school was no different than Israeli military offensives against militants in Gaza.





Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/03/06/mideast/index.html?iref=newssearch

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You MUST be kidding me...

Hamas has stated that its goal is to destroy the nation of Israel and their "soldiers" (who do not wear uniforms btw) are a legitimate target. Their launching of unguided rockets into towns is a LOT different than an Apache helicopter taking out a car that is carrying Hamas members.

"Their launching of unguided rockets into towns is a LOT different than an Apache helicopter taking out a car that is carrying Hamas members."

Yes it is different, but is it different then an F-16 firing a guided missile into an apartment building full of innocent people just to target one man?

By the way the Apache may have taken out the car carrying Hamas members but it also killed people who were walking near the car at the time.

It's a cycle of violence that affects both sides as well as the entire region. All deaths are terrible and unfortunate.



on edit: the figure is a bit out of date. Perhaps someone has more recent statistics close at hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OefgMtXOc1M
Armed Palestinian Terrorist Using Children as a human shield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NPHB8SSqL4&eurl=http:

I didn't think you did

Unfortunately, those who suffer are the innocent.

Edited to add:
Libya was right to do so; the UN should not be either sides propaganda tool.

is that what you are saying?

And thats exactly what's going on.

The statement, while read alone independent of context, is correct, it's intent is not really to mourn the victims, it is to help build a case for justification for the same horrors Israel engages in. This is propaganda.

Libya was correct in it's actions.

But I disagree that a UN condemnation "builds a case for justification...".

Libya essentially blocked this because they wanted to add a part about the recent Gaza Op, which has nothing to do with what happened at the Yeshiva in J-lem.

It accomplishes nothing and I suspect actually removes credibility from the UN, possibly weakening any role it can plan in broking peace.

Libya I'm sure had it's own motivations, but their actions on their own are correct IMHO.

11 Zionists killed in Qods operation

A Palestinian gunman opened fire inside the Zionist regime's military training center in Qods late Thursday, killing eleven Zionists in the attack.



In a retaliatory operation against the Zionist regime's savage attacks on the Palestinian civilians including women and babies in the Gaza Strip....
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http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=251657&n=12

Yep, I'm saving that valuable news source link ;)

Until recently, the US government has tended only to criticize the Palestinians, and the UN has tended to only criticize the Israelis. Neither works. I am glad to see that the UN may now be putting pressure on both sides. Here, Libya are being one-sided - not the other countries.

BTW, while the I/P conflict as such is a complex, many-sided issue where all sides have some blame, I hope you will agree that this is not true of this shooting! Shooting unarmed teenagers at a religious secondary school is, I hope, something that EVERYONE should condemn.

It was a terrible thing. No doubt about that at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNS8QAIw43s&feature=related



One sides "indoc" film is anothers propaganda tape.
Neither makes it into the view of those of us outside the area in conflict.

At least one side will translate into English what is being said

Where are all the UN condemnations whenever Israel launches attacks indiscriminately into Palestinian civilian areas?

UNITED NATIONS - The U.N. Security Council issued a media statement early Sunday condemning the escalation of fighting in southern Israel and Gaza and urging Israelis and Palestinians "to immediately cease all acts of violence."

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The statement, though not a formal resolution, also stressed that the violence "must not be allowed to deter the political process between Israel and the Palestinian Authority aimed at establishing two states — Israel and Palestine — living side by side in peace and security."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080302/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_israel_palestinians

unilaterally (this time) launched by Israel, on Palestinian towns and specifically Gaza. This is a loosely worded "condemnation" of BOTH Palestine and Israel.

What Libya blocked, OTOH, was an unambiguous and unilateral condemnation of an act, that was seen as a reprisal of the bombing, by Israel's Air Force, of Palestinian civilians in the recent days. Since there wasn't an unilateral condemnation, by the UN, of these bombings, why the double standard?

Libya's envoy isn't opposed to a condemnation of the act and isn't in favor of such bombings/shootings. He's merely pointing to the double standard. Anyway, it's a known fact that Israel doesn't give a rat ass about the UN, except when it serves its own interests, interests strongly backed by the US of A.

There was no condition it had to be an "Israeli only" condemnation. Also, I find it very disconcerting that so many here are equating the two acts. While civilians were killed in the raids in Gaza, it was neither indiscriminate nor deliberate. The act against the Yeshiva students was a deliberate attack on unarmed civilians not even in a military setting. The two aren't even close! As far as Israel not giving a rat's ass about the UN, why should she? The UN is bigoted against Israel in a number of ways which most people gloss over because the ugly truth would fly in the face of the myth of "evil Israel."

Raids in Gaza aren't done in "a military setting" either, by the way. There's no opposing army, as far as I'm concerned, only militants. And missiles/bombs don't know the difference between a civilian and a militant, less so in a heavily populated area like Gaza. They knew they would hit civilians. I'm not saying they killed them on purpose, like it was done against the Yeshiva students, but I'm saying their actions implied civilian deaths and they went on nonetheless. If you condemn one action, in this case, you have to condemn the other. Or you're pretty much saying: well, it's ok when WE do it. Or, in this case: "it's an accident when Israel does it".

I don't believe in myths, nor in the judeo-christian view of "evil vs good". Israel has done many good things and I believe it has the right to exist as a state, in peace. I also believe it has a right to defend itself from attacks. But I think its current actions, against the Palestinians, are amounting to a state of apartheid.

I think Libya was correct to block it or should have amended it to add a bilateral condemnation. Or stayed with the bilateral condemnation you already mentionned in a post above.

I can't wait to hear Bush's comments on this.

We should give the Palestinians all the Apache helicopters they want, Then when they take out members of the Knesset it will be parity.

Remember, Moammar is our friend now, that whole TWA/Lockerbie bombing thing is all in the past.

Report:

"U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday that she hoped to travel to Libya soon. 'I know that American companies are very interested in working in Libya,' Rice said."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/25/africa/ME-GEN-Libya-Europe.php

I bet companies are very interested in Libya!

CNN reported in 2006:

"'When it comes to oil, it's all politics,' said Fadel Gheit, an energy analyst with Oppenheimer in New York. 'If Gadhafi comes to the White House, count the number of days until a contract is landed by Halliburton or Exxon.' In terms of total oil production, Libya is not one of the heavyweights. Its current 1.6 million barrels a day in production places it at No. 16 worldwide, compared to No. 1 Saudi Arabia's pumping capacity of 9.5 million, according to the CIA."

http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/19/news/economy/libya_oil/index.htm

And, just today Libyan news reports:

"Officials from Libya's Sirte municipality have signed contracts to build an international airport and sea port in the province. The local government has awarded US construction giant Bechtel a contract to build a commercial port with a projected handling capacity of 8 million tonnes."

Bechtel,imagine that!

http://www.libyaninvestment.com/libya_news.php?Info=6982

Kadafi killed 258 men, women and children over Lockerbie Scotland in 1988, and we're worried about 8 kids in Jerusalem? I'm sure everyone will get over this resolution nonsense very quickly and get back to making money.

yeah,
like father, like son

ATTACK, HAMAS CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Hamas claimed responsibility on Friday for shooting eight students at a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem, the most lethal Palestinian attack on Israelis in two years and a blow to international efforts to revive peace talks.


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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080307/ts_nm/palestinians_israel_dc

No wonder Egypt is secretly rebuilding that aparteid wall ..... unchecked and right under the MSM radar
/sarc

snip

They were identified as:
Yohai Lifshitz, 18, from Jerusalem;
Yonatan Yitzhak Eldar, 16, from Shilo;
Yonadav Haim Hirschfeld, 19, from Kohav Hashahar,
Neria Cohen, 15, also from the capital,
Segev Peniel Avihail, 15, from Neve Daniel,
Avraham David Moses, 16, from Efrat,
Roee Roth, 18, from Elkana and Doron Meherete, 26, from Ashdod.

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http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2008/03/victims-names....


I doubt the MSM will spin the dots that way when Libyan leaders can deflect any front page news coverage

/sarc

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23507888/displaymode/1107/s/2/framenumber/4/

...why haven't you posted any of the "Death to Arabs" mobs?

You prefer the normal spin, I post what I see as news breaking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3c5uWIDBXY&eurl=

you don't have to look at the vid if you don't like what you see. ;)

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.....to back up such a disgusting antisemitic rant?

:crazy:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=30a_1204991129

This guy is ... how do you say , rather 'opinionated'

Is this a serious post or a spoof? If the former, I suggest that you visit your doctor! If the latter, you might make it a bit clearer.

A Hamas leader admits hundreds of his fighters have travelled to Tehran
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So far, 150 members of Qassam have passed through training in Tehran, where they study for between 45 days and six months at a closed military base under the command of the elite Revolutionary Guard force.

Of the additional 150 who are in Tehran now, some will go into Hamas’s research unit if they are not deemed strong enough for fighting.

Conditions at the base are strict, the commander said. The Palestinians are allowed out only one day a week. Even then, they may leave the base only in a group and with Iranian security. They shop and “always come back with really good boots”.

According to the commander, a further 650 Hamas fighters have trained in Syria under instructors who learnt their techniques in Iran. Sixty-two are in Syria now.

But what Hamas values most is the knowledge that comes directly from Iran. Some of it was used to devastating effect by the militant group Hezbollah against Israeli forces in Lebanon in 2006.

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3512014.ece

they don't exactly talk like the huddled underdog masses they want the MSM to report them as being.
Guess we will know them by the boots they will be wearing while we watch them on TV ;)