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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:11 PM
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Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding
Source: Yahoo News

Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding

WASHINGTON - The White House says President Bush will veto legislation on Saturday that would have barred the CIA from using waterboarding — a technique that simulates drowning — and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects.


Bush has said the bill would harm the government's ability to prevent future attacks. Supporters of the legislation argue that it preserves the United States' right to collect critical intelligence while boosting the country's moral standing abroad.




Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080308/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_torture
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:16 PM
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1. #3$7(&*^)_!1+%. nt
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tachyon Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:20 PM
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2. Thanks I couldn't remember how to spell that.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:56 PM
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6. My pleasure-I use it often. nt
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:54 PM
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24. War Criminal



The Legacy of the War Criminal

The history Books will be filled with this photo to illustrate the Scum Bag
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:37 PM
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3. So is he officially a war criminal or what?
:shrug:
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:45 PM
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4. My thoughts too - he just ratted himself out. Call the Hague
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:00 PM
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7. It's exhibit 1!
As the most overt admission of guilt.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:51 PM
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5. I think he fits the definition. n/t
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:07 AM
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19. Pretty much - he's authoring and advocating torture
If he was in the Hague docket, this veto would be a prosecution exhibit. "Your Honors, it goes to show the Defendant intended for the torture to continue. Waterboarding, sleep deprivation, temperature extremes, stress positions -- all of these are intended to break a prisoner's will through pain, fatigue, extreme discomfort, psychological stress and panic. They are all also torture by international treaty and law, as well as the laws of the Defendant's own country and its Constitution."

Guilty as charged.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:09 PM
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8. I mean, does he TRY to top himself in shittiness or is it just on auto-pilot at this point?
Seriously, why isn't this war criminal being arrested? WHY???
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:18 PM
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9. This man is insane...
he has no comprehension of how this will affect so much in the world of today.

FWIW, I think they clown is a sadist; he laughs at executions, he finds glee in the pain of others, and he approves of torture, using as his justification, national security. He is little more than a sadistic cretin, (no offense to sadistic cretins out there, I know he's bring down your fine names as well...:eyes: ).

The man is a sociopath...perhaps, after he leaves the WH, he should face waterboarding, after all, with what he "knows" and insists on keeping "secret", (which is just about everything), perhaps we could get an insight on what makes his little brain tick. I have always felt that those who call for drastic measures should face such measures before they just pencil them in so matter-of-factly.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:33 PM
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11. The years of drugs and alcohol......
turned what little brain he had into mush. Hell is just waiting for him and his two evil parents who spawned this cretin.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:19 PM
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12. The drugs and alcohol only intensified the insanity...
He had to be whacko long before he took his first drink or snort.

Even as a kid, he tortured things that could not hurt him back...which makes him a coward as well. If he ever faced a real challenge in his life, he'd crumble. He's always had people to bail him out, which if your him is a good thing, as everything he's ever attempted has been an abject failure.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:30 PM
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10. Figures that they would wait for the Friday Night News Dump
to let this one out. Bush has to keep his "compassionate conservatism" label working for him by nv er admitting that he approves of, hell, probably requests to watch, torture.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:20 PM
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13. even hitler was`t that stupid to sign his name
it`s official-- he`s a war crimnal.

no one in our government will do nothing....
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:28 PM
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14. Meanwhile, Canada has thrown out evidence obtained through CIA waterboarding
http://www.newsweek.com/id/118992/output/print

The Canadian government is no longer using evidence gained from CIA interrogations of a top Al Qaeda detainee who was waterboarded.

According to documents obtained by NEWSWEEK, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), the country's national-security agency, last month quietly withdrew statements by alleged Al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah from public papers outlining the case against two alleged terror "sleeper" operatives in Ottawa and Montreal.
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Old Codger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:36 PM
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15. and
If congress doesn't override that veto they are just as guilty as he is, they should all then be tried at the hague. Besides the fact that we are signatory to the geneva convention which outlaws it.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:43 PM
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16. OK. Like he would follow it even if he signed it?
Water-boarding is torture and torture has already banned and that didn't stop anything.

To pretend that a bill banning something that is already banned is going to boost "the country's moral standing abroad" is laughable.

America's a war crime nation that is pretending it doesn't torture by pretending that torture isn't torture if they define torture differently than it did prior to being Bush in office.

To pretend that banning something that has already banned is some great accomplishment is cowardly.

The unamended War Crimes Act of 1996 banned torture by any and all government agents. We can blame the 109th Congress for the changes.

I'm not going to prop up make-believe.

I'm for damn sure not going to cheer the propping up of make-believe.

Water-boarding IS torture. Torture has already (and has been for quite some time now) banned = Water-boarding is (already) banned.

Instead of constantly banning the same thing (torture)over again...why not actually uphold the law and hold the guilty accountable?

Or is that asking too much?

Obviously...it is.












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galledgoblin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:45 PM
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17. compassionate conservatism at it's finest n/t
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:02 PM
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18. Ugh. I used to be like "Hey, another bush fuck up. See, he's bad."
Now I'm like, "Oh, another bush fuck up."

It's kind of like the sun rise. A new one happens every day.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:59 AM
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20. Bush is one very fucked up excuse for a human being
McFuckwad saves 'Murika...

yeah...right :grr:
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 11:25 AM
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22. and that's called a psychopath (n/t)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:58 PM
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26. I wish Nancy would just ask him publicly if he wants torture to be his legacy.
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 10:14 AM
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21. This will become part of his legacy
Torture, illegal preemptive wars, wiretapping, record deficits, record job losses, abuses of power, etc.

Way to go, Shrub!
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:48 PM
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23. Hey Congress!
Now's you're time to impeach th- WHAT?! Baseball allegations are more important?! Fuck you.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:54 PM
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25. Yes I second that emotion
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