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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:26 PM
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Gov. Spitzer apologizes to family, public
Source: cnn

CNN) -- Gov. Eliot Spitzer said he "acted in way that violates his obligation to his family," speaking hours after the New York Times reported he told senior administration officials he had been involved in a prostitution ring.

"I apologize first and most importantly to my family. I apologize to the public, to whom I promised better," he said.

He did not elaborate on the paper's claims and did not take any questions after making his statement.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/10/spitzer/index.html
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:30 PM
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1. Ok, you're off the hook! n/t
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:31 PM
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2. Did he mention finding Jesus? That's seems to be the second step after apologizing to family.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:32 PM
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4. I thought that only worked for Republicans
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:46 PM
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14. I believe he has a room reserved at Betty Ford.
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 02:48 PM by krkaufman
I'm sure some sorta addiction is involved.

:)
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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:07 PM
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65. Isn't Spitzer Jewish?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:32 PM
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3. Not sure what to think about this
On one hand, you have to condemn the actions of Governor Spitzer - this is an ethical lapse that could have (or may already have) seriously compromised his ability to govern NYS. On the other hand, being about the same age as Eliot I can understand that men have needs that are sometimes not addressed properly while in a long term relationship. Maybe if he had just used his hand?
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:38 PM
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In this case, handwork wouldn't have worked
since the sex workers were apparently working for him.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:45 PM
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12. employed by him
Is that what you imply?

Where is the evidence? I've seen nothing substantial.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:28 PM
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38. Look at the term they're using...
"involved in a prostitution ring."

This is not what they call it when people get caught frequenting prostitutes. This is what they call it someone gets caught running a stable.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:35 PM
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40. Perhaps. But it sounds like he was simply a john... a customer ...
... of a ring under surveillance... with the added difficulty that it sounds like there may be wiretaps discussing Spitzer, allegedly, as running a tab and owing money. More than just the simple "he was a client of a prostitute" story.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:36 PM
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41. who is "they"?
the press?

the corrupted DoJ?
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:28 PM
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58. "They" is everyone who's written about this
Even Skinner used the term.

If you'd like to surf around a little, using "politicians who solicit prostitutes" as your search term, you'll find such crowd favorites as Bob Allen, the Florida state legislator who resigned after his arrest for trying to sell a $20 blowjob to a cop. "Prostitution ring" never shows up in such a story. It does here.

Consider too: there's no way the governor would NOT be involved at a level higher than "John." If I was running a prostitution ring and found out the governor was on my client list, I'd have one of those little talks with him: protect us from legal action or we'll call the press. And that's the real problem here, not whether he was getting some on the side.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:47 PM
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15. i really don't give a shit what his "needs" are
we're in the fight of our lives with this republican party and HE IS DOING THIS? NOW? couldn't he have waited a few fucking years???

he's a jerk for doing what he did.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:51 PM
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21. At least they have enough evidence against him ...
... that we can skip the denial phase, where he takes down the credibility of all those around him. No need for any DNA testing, here.
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:56 PM
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24. Can't argue with that assessment
Men are jerks. Just ask my ex-Wife.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:59 PM
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25. Agree --- this is infuriating . . . but in a way, glad to know cause he might
have gotten higher in the party --

What's wrong with these guys?

How dumb is Spitzer to even do something like this -- but a former DA getting caught?

This is sad because at one point he looked like a right kind of guy ---

now all in the garbage.

He should resign --

What is this thing with prostitutes . . . ?

A new status thing for males who find relationships too time consuming...?

Agree about his wife and family, as well --- what choices do they have now?



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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:42 PM
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42. Completely Correct!
Any politician that doesn't understand that the other side is going to constantly be looking for ways to discredit him or her is a complete moron and not someone that we need on our side!!!

When they set themselves up as easy targets (I mean a hooker????!!!!!! Come on!!) what in the hell do they expect? Do they really believe that they are so powerful that they are simply bullet proof?

The smarter politicians are going to be the ones who KNOW that they are being watched and are willing to keep their noses clean.

It's sheer stupidity in my opinion when someone in the public eye does something like this.
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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:12 PM
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68. Spitzer THOUGHT he was smarter.
That's why he tried to hide the money moving around.


Ultimately, he was too smart for his own good.


In trying to avoid the track-record of a wire-type transfer using a credit card, he ended up bringing on the suspicion of the IRS who thought it was bribe money being moved around.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:49 PM
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19. For the sake of all involved, I hope there can be a happy ending. n/t
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:03 PM
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29. Oh stop.
This nonsense that it is the wife's fault if the husband strays is just that - nonsense.

Yes, he should have used his hand.
Or talked with his wife.
Or even left her, if he truly wasn't fulfilled.

But please don't go blaming her for his ethical lapse...
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Taxmyth Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:15 PM
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34. Definitely not right
I can understand how it happens but I can't condone the behavior. Especially in this case.
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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:08 PM
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66. If he committed a felony...
and is found guilty, he will also be disbarred.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:37 PM
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5. The flesh is weak.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:38 PM
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6. Why did he drag his wife out while he made that statement?
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 02:39 PM by qanda
He is scum!!!!
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:40 PM
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I hate that too.
You know she's hurting and still in shock. Why do they always expect the wife to stand beside her husband before she's had time to deal with matters herself?

It's such bullshit.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:59 PM
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26. Indeed. I guess it's for cosmetics - the photo of that tableau that then appears in the next
edition of the newspaper, front page. Woman standing by her man through thin (as well as the nice, cushy, happy, thick times). But yeah, they always drag the spouse out to share in the shame. After all, the reasoning among strategists, I suspect, is - what would it look like if she wasn't there standing solidly with him?

ASSHOLE. Frickin' ASSHOLE.

Just what we need as Dems. Of course, this is a sex scandal, which ALWAYS has more legs (so to speak!) than anything else because it's so easy for numbskull reporters (or those racing against some desperate deadline) to write about and sink their teeth into. Doesn't take much deep background knowledge of Wall Street or economic policy wonky stuff with a lot of complicated minutae to explain or interpret. It's sex. Sex always catches fire. Sex always sucks all the oxygen out of the room. You don't need a PhD to figure it out.

You think giuliani's kids hate him for publicly humilating his now-ex-wife (their mother)? Wait til Spitzer's three daughters get hold of him!

Then again, other than seeking reaction from Obama and Clinton, it'll distract the press from the campaign squabbles for awhile and give us a bit of a rest from all of that nausea. Hey! They can all go obsess about something else than nonstop Hillary v Barack. That might actually be a welcome change for however long it lasts.

Also, to a lesser extent, what's bad news for Spitzer might be an opportunity for Lt. Governor Paterson, who's African-American, now gets to shine on his own rather than having to live under the large shadow of this Mr. Big. Paterson will assume the governorship if Spitzer steps down (as he should).

Lordy, Lordy, Lordy... Thanks a heap, you hypocritical horndog schmuck! JUST what we need at the moment. It's the GOP that's supposed to be the Casa de Corruption. ASSHOLE.

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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:14 PM
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69. Yeah.... I would have had his bags packed.
.... and the locks changed by the time the press conference was held.


:evilgrin:

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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:42 PM
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8. That was horrible judgment - took some gall -nt
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:45 PM
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10. So true.
I suppose we're supposed to be glad that he didn't surround himself with a human shield of children.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:12 PM
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32. And why did she allow herself to stand there, at his side??
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:25 PM
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37. I know. Not only does she have to learn this, now she, who
is not a public figure, has to stand in the spotlight and face the public and her embarrassment publicly just to make him look good. Tell me how that's fair?

I'd want to say "honey, you just made your own $5500 a night bed, you go lay in it all by yourself".
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:13 PM
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48. Taking a cue from Kwame Kilpatrick
who planted his wife next to him for his "apology" to the people of Detroit.

My mayor is more scummy than your governor.
:rofl:

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:10 PM
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74. maybe he figured, hey if david vitter did it then i can too. n/t
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:40 PM
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7. Resign now Spitzer.
you made your bones prosecuting whores, now it seems you are way beneath those honest women.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:43 PM
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9. What really matters... So, was Spitzer a superdelegate ...?
... and does he now lose that status?!?

:nuke: :) :nuke:

What a bummer... in so many ways. What a fall; so much was expected...



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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:48 PM
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16. He is a Superdelegate.
I don't have any idea if he loses that status now, however.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:48 PM
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17. superdelegate? yes. backing hillary. n/t
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classykaren Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:45 PM
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11. Was there a warant for the wire tapping ? nt
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:46 PM
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13. DoJ gone ballistic, IMO
Putting the fear of God into Democrats.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:49 PM
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18. LOL!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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dommyluc Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:49 PM
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20. If he does resign...
...I hope he begins his speech, "Unlike Senator David Vitter....."
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:51 PM
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22. So in prostitution poker
which hand wins: a pair of red senators or the blue governor of a large state?
What makes it so goofy - from the "it's the end of the world as we know it" point of view - is that the red senators were both family values guys while the blue governor had come in on an ethics reform and had prosecuted high-end prostitution rings.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:52 PM
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23. I am NOT pleased, but then he's not MY governor so it's not
really for me to say..........I look at this a little differently given that he's a GOVERNOR, than I would if he were still the NY AG. As AG I would say resign immediately!!! Probably it's just as bad with him governor, as he's head of the executive (enforcement) branch.

My biggest complaint is not that he used a prostitute, but that it is HYPOCRISY to make and enforce laws against it and then DO what you deem illegal. If it's illegal for the little guy, then it's illegal for him. Period. And there is really no place in government for scofflaws, particularly when it comes to things that we all pretty much know shouldn't be illegal in the first place, but it serves the powers that be to make them illegal as a tool to oppress the little people.
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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:16 PM
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70. Once again, it's not the prostitution as much as the $$$
They (the IRS) were following the money.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:28 PM
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77. If it's HIS money, he can spend it any way he wants.
It's up to the prostitute to report the income, not up to him to report he paid her.

If it's not his money, but belongs to the State of NY, well that's another matter entirely.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:01 PM
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27. as a new yorker i am sorry it happened. personally i dont think prostitution should be illegal
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:13 PM
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33. I don't either.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:56 PM
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55. Niether do I...
But Mr. Hypocrite Spitzer has vigorously prosecuted prostitution rings when he was AG, so on this level I find it amusing.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:13 PM
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56. Agree - stupid antiquated law.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:03 PM
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28. Apologize for being a complete idiot?
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:06 PM
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30. What a scumbag
I feel sorry for his wife. He made her look like a fool in front of the whole world. He needs to go. The sooner the better.
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:22 PM
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35. I agree
And what a nice Valentine's Day gift for his wife. :spank:
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:09 PM
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31. At least it wasn't with children...
which is what the Republicans are noted for.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:53 PM
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43. That's one of the thoughts that passed through my brain.
Gotta wonder, though, if it's gonna stir-up any Clinton fatigue.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:24 PM
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36. So where does this go next?
My husband points out that the tri-state area is now 3 for 3 wrt governors in disgrace...
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:58 PM
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44. I'm wondering if this LBN post from Sunday may be related
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3217539

Perhaps there's a bit too much Viagra in the water out there.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:34 PM
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39. ok, he's apologized. let's move on
this is a private family matter, and should be treated as such.

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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:06 PM
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46. It's more than that...
it wasn't solely an affair. He was caught involved in an illegal activity. One in which customarily victimizes women.


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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:00 AM
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76. Not going to happen. This guy went after prostitution rings and is soliticiting the services of one
There's a little more involved than just some personal (family-only) crap.

Professional hypocrisy and trading in illegal services make this a few steps above "personal/private family matter".
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:02 PM
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45. If this were solely
an affair, I'd have no problem with this. But, since he was involved in an illegal activity on top of that, one in which often victimizes women who are prostitutes, and he is a government official, I find it really unpalatable. He's supposed to be upholding the laws of our state and leading the people in our state. The violation against his family is bad, but he broke the law. I don't see how he can successfully get past this and remain Governor.


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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:08 PM
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47. He should step down now.
He a fake.
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:16 PM
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49. Thanks, now step down before you damage our party...
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:52 PM
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50. STEP DOWN NOW, schmuck. Notice how our sexual scandals involve heterosexual activity
with consenting adults?
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Flowerchild73 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:19 PM
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61. Whether with a prostitute or not


It's all sexual deviancy and extremely disrespectful of a woman who has been married to her husband for 21 years and his three daughters.
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footinmouth Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:28 PM
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52. I'm so disappointed in him
He was elected with a landslide and I enthusiastically supported him. He's just been a total disappointment so far and this is just the last straw. Why the hell can't these guys keep it zipped? I could tolerate an affair, but this? Whether we agree with the law or not, it's illegal and he's not above prosecuting others caught in the same thing. I can't take hypocrisy.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:36 PM
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53. what the FUCK is wrong with these guys?
why do they risk so much? Disgusting.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:40 PM
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54. Hubris: the supreme confidence of being able to get away with it.
This is just so tacky.

Can't believe how easily he screwed up like this.
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:25 PM
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57. I am sick of these guys dragging their wives
out in front of the cameras. He should be person enough to go out there on his own and explain himself.
:mad:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:28 PM
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59. I'm with you.
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:04 PM
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60. I do not support infidelity, but in an open relationship...
I do not support lies and deceit. I wish prositution to be legal, but require licensing, condoms, and showers with anti-bacterial soap. I believe nearly 60% of the people wish to have other sexual partners. I know that there are those who do not care about this because of their own religious or philosophical views, yet in a free country moralist should not have the right to restrict the freedom of others.

It is argued that prostitution destroys the moral fabric of a society. I think living a false life destroys the fabric of society even more.

I was disappointed to hear about this today. I like Gov. Spitzer. I wish well upon the people of New York and his family.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:42 PM
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64. The real world is more complex
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 07:43 PM by Politicub
than the Right's world of black and white absolutes.

I posted something similar before I read your post. I though the lies and deceit - if there were lies and deceit - were more problematic than the prostitution.

How refreshing it is to examine situations from multiple perspectives!


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khaos Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:25 PM
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62. my theory
this was used or was going to be used to blackmail him; to do or support something horrible and he didn't cave.

politicians and prostitutes(republicans like boys) go hand in hand and this type of exposure doesn't happen unless someone gives the nod.

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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:37 PM
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63. What a depressing revelation
From what I knew about him, there was a lot I admired about Spitzer. This story makes me sad, because I think the good he's done will be overshadowed by this indiscretion.

If it has evidence, the Times was obligated to report this story. I would want to hear about it if it was the other side, so I don't fault the paper for running it.

That isn't to say that Spitzer shouldn't be forgiven -- I think it's absurd that prostitution is illegal when war is peachy keen. I find more fault in him lying to his wife, if that is what happened. But that is something he will have to work out with her.
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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:09 PM
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67. This isn't about the sex, folks....
I hate to break it to you all but it sounds like he knew EXACTLY what he was doing, since he moved the money around in such a manner as to draw the attention of the IRS.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:43 PM
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71. I just got home from work
and heard this. What a fucking numb nut. What was he THINKING??? Obviously NOT! All the bullshit going down and he pulls this shit??
We have diapers for Vitter, Foley's disappearing act to the real estate business and "toe tapping" Craig in an airport bathroom and Spitzer pulls this??? :wtf:
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Wabbajack_ Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:53 PM
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72. Prostituion should be legal
the man's private life is between him and his family.
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liberal renegade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:52 AM
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75. it's the hypocrisy that matters
not that he can't keep his tallywacker at home. Breaking the law and prosecuting the the same laws he broke=HYPOCRISY.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:21 PM
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78. The fact that someone is a dishonest sack of crap matters.
Moral character is important in judging the potential effectiveness of political leaders.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:02 PM
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73. Another case of someone letting their brains fall down into their....
...d**k.
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