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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:52 PM
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Coming soon: superfast internet
Source: The Sunday Times

THE internet could soon be made obsolete. The scientists who pioneered it have now built a lightning-fast replacement capable of downloading entire feature films within seconds.

At speeds about 10,000 times faster than a typical broadband connection, “the grid” will be able to send the entire Rolling Stones back catalogue from Britain to Japan in less than two seconds.

The latest spin-off from Cern, the particle physics centre that created the web, the grid could also provide the kind of power needed to transmit holographic images; allow instant online gaming with hundreds of thousands of players; and offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call.

David Britton, professor of physics at Glasgow University and a leading figure in the grid project, believes grid technologies could “revolutionise” society. “With this kind of computing power, future generations will have the ability to collaborate and communicate in ways older people like me cannot even imagine,” he said...


Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article3689881.ece
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:55 PM
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1. Sounds great, now we need computers to catch up...
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:55 PM
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2. That's a lot of porn
The mind (etc.) boggles.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:59 PM
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4. LOL
good one...
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amihol Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:41 PM
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10. .)
pervert :)
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coriolis Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:04 PM
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5. I guess that's what the "large hadron collector" is for.
hehehe
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:45 PM
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13. As opposed to their teledildonics project, "the large hardon collector." n/t
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coriolis Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:55 PM
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14. What's a little spelling variation among preverts.
hahaha
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 08:25 PM
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:48 PM
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19. Yes.
It absolutely buggers the imagination.
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:39 PM
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34. mmmmmmmmmm oohhhhhhhhhhh
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:16 PM
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36. LOL!!!
'etc.' indeed.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:36 AM
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50. Holographic porn!
May I live to see the day.
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:13 PM
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58. yeah i like bubble butts
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:58 PM
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3. Comcast are already offering 50Mbps in a few test cities in the US
but in general, we're still FAR behind the rest of the developed world regarding Internet speeds.

Yes, I'm aware this article goes well beyond 50Mbps.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:13 PM
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6. Many countries all ready have it. We who paid for research
to invent the Internet don't get it fast enough. Some communities pay for it and demand it for their citizens. We are behind the world in many ways thanks to Congressional waste and corruption to corporations. A&T promised Congress this years ago. Instead they buy up Yahoo.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:07 PM
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27. Once the analog frequencies are freed up
we'll see a massive increase in bandwidth. People will complain, but people will always complain. That is to be expected. Progress hurts. If progress didn't hurt, we'd still have a "lamplighter" Union.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:59 PM
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41. It's not about analog its about faster Internet.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:59 PM
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42. It's about both
:)
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Fedja Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:46 PM
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18. 50Mbps is silly
As any versed techie will tell you, it's not the size of your download that matters, it's what you do with.... errr sorry, it's the upload.

Furthermore:
- Comcast only offers the 50 Mb downlink since they muffled the torrent ports. Where I live, this would get their HQ burned to the ground.
- 50 Mb is about as fresh and great as the diesel engine. Most developed countries consider that a "solid household link".

Anything under 100/100 can't really be called superanything these days.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:03 PM
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26. You're basing your argument on upload speeds,
which most users aren't concerned with. Torrent users, on the other hand, would benefit with an equal up/down speed.

I wasn't arguing that point.
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raystorm7 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:07 AM
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46. Comcast can go to Hell! They are the worst here in Texas overall.
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:20 PM
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7. question is who controls it.
will free speech be allowed on it by the people that own it or will the speech be limited to what the corporations and others that control it allow.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:52 PM
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20. Maybe we'll see an analogy similar to how Comcast bills for HDTV
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 06:52 PM by Winebrat
It'll just cost a lot extra
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:02 AM
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44. wouldn't mind that so much as long as there are no controls as to what people can say on it.
if it is too expensive people will simply stay with the old internet unless forced to change over.

If they do it to stifle free speech then I figure that the internet will end up useless to all but the corporate puppet masters.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:26 PM
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8. Wont happen as long as the media companies are worried about piracy
They really wont like having whole pirated films downloaded in a couple of seconds.

The sad part is, that since this technology does exist now, some relatively poor country that piracy originates WILL utilize it, but we here in the US will end up waiting forever before we see it.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:57 PM
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31. Bingo.
Other countries will have this wonderful new technology and we will be left back in the stone age due to the RIAA fascists.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:29 PM
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9. Have to get rid of Windows first
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 05:29 PM by liberal N proud
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:05 PM
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15. Amen ....BSD pwns
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Codedonkey Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 07:48 PM
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64. BSD got pwnd? :P
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eggplant Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:42 PM
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11. And still BitTorrent performance will suck...
...for some strange and deniable reason. ;-)
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:30 PM
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21. Bandwidth throttling, try using mutorrent and encrypting your traffic.
Also, fuck Verizon and other ISPs for throttling me BELOW the rate I pay for, the dicks.

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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:14 PM
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28. how do you encrypt your traffic? Now all I do is use peerguardian to block some IPs
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:47 PM
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38. There's an option you check in mutorrent; I'm at work so I can't check where.
Sorry!

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:44 PM
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12. Not if You Have Comcast....
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 05:44 PM by fascisthunter
they seem to have a problem with people using the internet to download and upload whatever people want using there service, so they take it upon themselves to slow your speed down, even though you pay for full high speeds.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:27 PM
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16. rogers cable in canada does the same thing (eom)
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:31 PM
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22. There are ways around it, search on "bandwidth throttling" for tips.
NT!

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:10 PM
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32. I Just Logged Back in
My eye brow is raised....

Thank you for the tip!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:47 PM
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39. You're very welcome!
NT!

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:37 PM
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24. They also like to close port 25 on you without warning
...and when you call because you can no longer send emails they blame it on your email program.

I hate Comcast.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:27 PM
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17. The Grid...
And after that, The Matrix.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:32 PM
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23. I predict that many will happily live in Matrix pods.
May solve overpopulation! :p

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skoalyman Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:22 PM
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29. Only they'll throttle your reality
down to slow motion:argh:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:48 PM
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40. LOL! Forced bullet time, all the time!
They'll never give up. Thankfully, we'll have VR hackers someday. ;)

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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:01 PM
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25. In the future, when we search for "abortion,"
we'll get "404 - File Not Found" in a fraction of the time it now takes.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:06 AM
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45. I've already been denied posts by the Dem Internet sites
Don't have too much of free speech. It is harmful.

When I search many stories are changed or gone over night.

Seems the problem will be "control of the voices" no matter what the speed.
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FightTheRight89 Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:44 PM
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30. This is scary.
And I don't know why.
Perhaps I'm approaching the age a little too soon in which I worry about new technology destroying life as we know it.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:01 AM
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43. It's not scary
go with it.


It's not scary. Embrace it.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:29 PM
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33. As long as it works with my neural interface, I'm all set...
I just hope no one hacks me again, last time left me with two weeks of no memory and a splitting headache. x(
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:15 PM
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35. There IS a real danger, I think; but it's THIS:
As the article says, "Ian Bird, project leader for Cern’s high-speed computing project, said grid technology could make the internet so fast that people would stop using desktop computers to store information and entrust it all to the internet.

“It will lead to what’s known as cloud computing, where people keep all their information online and access it from anywhere,” he said."

That means that surveillance and control of everything you do that involves a computer, all your documents, all of our news, all of history, becomes enormously easier.

For more details, here's a start: http://c-cyte.blogspot.com/2007/12/update-re-bringing-internet-to-heel.html
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:13 AM
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48. I, personally, can't wait for this leap of technology
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 12:14 AM by DS1
I can't wait for the day when all my music is available to me, no matter if I'm driving or flying or taking a train, it will always be there. My information, my contacts, so on and so forth. Soooner or later everything I know will be available to me. Everything, including my contacts know will be available to me. Degrees will be useless, as I will be able to access that information in a heartbeat. Everything that we know will have to go through a metaphysical reboot. We can either adapt and live in our world of Global Warmring, or we can adapt.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:34 AM
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49. I like your futurism-friendly outlook.
The only way this can be "scary" is if only a few people have it. If virtually everyone has access, it's a brave, new world - but not a Brave New World.

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 12:34 AM
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61. There are a couple of points I'm not sure everyone's getting:
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 12:35 AM by snot
1. I'd feel better about letting all the data live on the net -- which really means, letting it be centralized on machines I no longer own and control -- if I knew I'd have the same access to the records of the powerful that they will have to mine -- but it's not clear to me that that will be the case. Do you really think I'm going to have the same access to read e-mails such as those Cheney deleted as he would to read mine?

I don't. I think part of the reason for the push to centralize data and applications (though not necessarily the only reason) is that the control freaks are freaked that the internet is so out of control, and centralizing it is the best way to end that.

I think the people who control the centralized data, applications and hardware will have more access and power than ever before, while the rest of us have less than we do now.

2. If you don't control your info, it can be altered against your will. You can be framed, or exonerating info or data that you value can simply disappear. The same is true of our history -- it can be altered much more easily if centralized.

I'm very excited about the potential offered by new technologies, and centralizing some kinds of data and applications probably makes sense. But there are serious dangers, too, and it worries me that so few people seem concerned about them.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:09 AM
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52. So, basically, they're re-inventing the internet.
With a new name?
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:27 PM
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37. "for the price of a local call"
My fucking ass - unless the price of a local call goes up to about $100 per month.

Big Telecom is charging outrageous prices for the internet services they already offer. With something this fast, you don't think they're going to make this available to only those who can afford it? It will be quite some time before this is even affordable to much of the middle class, and forget about the poor being able to access this in the foreseeable future.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:49 AM
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56. It will be affordable, eventually
Everything miniaturizes. Everything will be cheaper, everything that you see as too expensive will eventually taken for granted.
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:10 AM
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47. One of the reasons that ISPs clamp bandwidth
is to render independent VOIP providers' products ineffective, as telcos and cable providers all have their own. At times, I get data throughput at pretty respectable speeds, but telephony? Not even close.

And yes, they also close port 25 from time to time, but deny it. Had to switch my email to SSL, which has issues of its own.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:42 AM
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51. OSX comes with grid computing software: Xgrid.
Does Vista? Seems like it would.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:11 AM
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53. Grid computing is hardly new. These articles seem to pop up every couple of years.
Mostly written by reporters who haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about. Computing grids, data clouds, all of the other names you want to attach to them are really just computer clusters that anyone can build.

The important thing for you and I is that they won't do diddly for us (unless you're performing atomic calculations, or are trying to predict the weather). If you put your computer onto a grid network, you still are limited to the power of your single grid node for daily tasks. Your internet connection is still going to be limited to the speed of your incoming line. Sorry, but there are no free rides.

Seti@Home and Folding@Home are simple demonstrations of grid computing. Lots of computers processing little bits of a much larger puzzle, to solve it faster. Cerns new "Grid" is simply a more elaborate version of the same thing, with minimum network and performance standards for each of the nodes.

Ho hum.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:12 AM
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54. I'll be happy when the US of A
catches up with Estonia!
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Fedja Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:47 AM
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55. Copy/pasted from my provider
In Slovenia.

20/20 Mbit/s
40/20 Mbit/s
60/60 Mbit/s
100/100 Mbit/s
1/1 Gbit/s
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:13 PM
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60. Hello there. Does Slovenia make immigration easy?
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 06:14 PM by seawolf
Hell, my university throttles downloads here in Florida. The sooner I can get somewhere sane, whether in the US or Europe, the better.

Note: Not entirely serious, but speeds like that are definitely cool.
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Fedja Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 10:59 AM
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62. Call me when the dems win
..and we'll look at it. :D

I'm pretty sure that most of Europe at this point has a "household" link of 50/50-100/100 available. I've seen our providers increase bandwiths and lower prices at the same time for -existing- subscribers. That tells you how much bandwith price has fallen lately.

As for limiting downloads and closing ports etc... We would have a riot. We've realized long ago that there's more than porn on the ole net, and people are increasingly using it as their primary resource for school, work, and even leisure time. Limiting internet speeds needlessly hampers progress and growth.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:04 PM
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57. The corporations can now own your ass fifty times faster than on dial-up.
We should ask to whom this fantastic new bandwidth will be sold.
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easy_b94 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:24 PM
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59. “the grid” ????? beware of "SkyNet"
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:09 AM
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63. Wow, the grid is so fast,...
...researchers in Sydney will be able to see their colleagues in Geneva getting sucked into a Large Hadron Collider-generated black hole instantly!
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