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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:20 PM
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Drivers paying record pump prices (prices to rise another 30 cents in the next few weeks)
Source: Reuters

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. drivers are paying record prices to fill their gas tanks and they could see prices surge as much as 30 cents more per gallon over the next few weeks, according to an industry analyst.

U.S. average retail gasoline prices hit a record $3.4737 per gallon on April 18, up 15.66 cents from the April 4 average, according to the nationwide Lundberg survey of about 7,000 gas stations.

Higher driving costs come at a tough time for U.S. consumers, who are already struggling with higher food prices, a slowing economy, job losses and sinking home prices. In addition, surges in gasoline demand during the peak driving months of June, July and August and higher costs could force motorists to cut back on their vacation travel plans, or reduce spending in other areas.

"Behind the record-high pump prices are other record highs that are less visible to the naked eye of the motorist, including record high crude oil prices and a record number of regulations that are adding costs to refining," said survey editor Trilby Lundberg.

The WTI crude oil futures price closed at $116.69 per barrel on April 18, up from $106.23 on April 4, she said.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN2045108220080420?=sp
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:22 PM
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1. Don't forget, the Iraq occupation will pay for itself
in lower gas prices. Another Dem campaign ad writes itself.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:24 PM
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2. $3.85 here in Northern California.

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the_sheep_look_up Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:31 PM
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3. Gas $3.85 in CA
Yeah. Ain't self-service great?
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:33 PM
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4. Some people will pay if gass is $5.00 or $10.00 a gallion
Some people have no choice but to pay to get to work and some people will pay because they can afford too. The people in Europe pay high gas prices for the same reasons. Americans will get use to higher gas prices just like Europeans, slowly, little by little, we have no choice.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:52 PM
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6. The big difference being that the people of Europe get something in return for
their high prices all we get is screwed!
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:56 PM
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7. Europe also has a great train system.
One can travel city to city by train quite easily, unlike here. Also more than half their cars are diesel, which is cheaper than gas in Europe (the opposite of the situation here).
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:00 AM
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14. yes, but
what did it take to get europeans to the point where the transit system was THERE and they could forgo their autos? we're YEARS behind them.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:02 PM
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24. Actually, it's the other way around
The US used to have a great network of public transportation -- even LA had an extensive public transport system.

Had that system been developed and upgraded, we would have public transport as good as Europe in the most populous areas of the country. But several things happened.

First, the auto, tire, and oil companies got together, formed a syndicate, bought up all the public transportation systems and destroyed them -- literally -- they tore them up. That allowed them to sell more cars, tires, and petroleum.

(Did anyone know that the first hybrid car was patented and produced in 1908 (or thereabouts) but was never marketed widely? It ran on gas and electricity, just like the hybrids of today. But the car companies were in cahoots with the oil companies, who wanted to sell more oil.)

Then, after WW2, middle-class Europeans moved into the cities, providing a demand for good services. In the US, the middle class abandoned the cities, moving into the burbs. Only the poor people were left in the cities -- minorities and immigrants -- and no one cared about them. So, cities were left to deteriorate.

Next, the railroads decided that moving freight was more profitable than moving cranky old people who wanted amenities and schedules. Washing machine parts don't mind sitting on a siding in a hot box car for a couple of hours. So, the railroads began to deteriorate as they discouraged passenger service.

Finally, the government decided it would subsidize airlines and automobile companies, but would resist subsidizing railroads.


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newfie11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:18 AM
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20. Remember that's sold by the liter in Europe not gallon.
So 5 euros a liter is still more than we are paying.
BTW Diesel in Nebraska on the Wyoming,Colorado border is now 4.20. All our trucks are diesel as well as tractors.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:57 PM
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25. 5 euros a liter?
That would be about $30 a gallon
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:36 PM
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5. I know it's hard
to feel any sympathy for those in New Jersey (with the lowest gas prices in the country), but my lady and I just noticed that the price at our favorite Wawa station went from 3.079 to 3.259 in a week. That's a pretty dramatic rise for one week down there. I expect the prices to be on an upwards march towards Memorial Day, but that much of an increase that quick means the shit is about to hit the fan big time in the rest of the country. In northern NJ, there are a bunch of no-name stations that get surplus gasoline from local refineries, their low prices keep the others down in the area. Obviously, they are not getting as much leftover gas, so they have to jack prices, allowing big name stations to do the same.


It's going to be a sucky summer for those who need to drive to jobs.

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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:04 AM
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15. yeah, like TRUCK DRIVERS
we're screwed.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:23 PM
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26. As are the folks
who have to get things that are delivered by trucks. That's pretty much all of us.


My friend, I cringe when I see the diesel prices. Those levels hurt not only the independent drivers, but all of us who got something that a truck brought.

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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 09:57 PM
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8. Reg. 3.55 in AM 3.59 in PM..........I pd. 3.39 on Thurs.
we have gone beyond the tipping point especially if your a commuter.

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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:01 PM
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9. Our resident asshat could help us but he does not choose to.......
he continues to dump oil into the strategic reserves when he could control the market by flooding it with cheaper oil. Clinton managed to control the record high prices during his term by using the reserves to counter slow production by our so-called Arab friends.

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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:08 AM
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16. what do you mean, "help us"?
that will NEVER happen. the chimp is benefiting from this, probably giggling maniacally about it!!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:07 PM
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10. This is the make or break moment for much of America.
Sure there will be plenty of morons that choose to fork out 4+ bucks a gallon for gas, but there will be a hell of a lot more that just won't be able to afford it. What then?

here's something I wrote a while back...

Javaman (1000+ posts) Fri Apr-27-07 07:16 PM
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The next great depression is but one dollar away...

Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 07:37 PM by Javaman
The current popular thought is that most Americans don't save, borrow off there mortgages and are just one paycheck away from being homeless, while all that might be true, however there is something more worrisome out there that will eclipses those above.

We are being tested. No, not by God or some sort of supreme being per say, but by our gov't and the oil companies.

What is the test you ask? How far they can push us before we break.

The first test came right after Katrina, when oil prices spiked. Which in turn pushed the price up at the pump. That national average at that time was something on the order of $3.75 a gallon for regular and areas of the west cost were paying over $4.00 a gallon.

But what we also found out, not all that long later on, was that Exxon had recorded the largest profits ever recorded in one quarter in the history of the world.

How can they be making so much? we felt we had been had. The simple concept of supply and demand had been a sham. It appeared as if they were price gouging us. Want to know why?

Yes, peak oil exists and as much as Tillerman CEO of Exxon would like us to believe that he doesn't believe in it, he very much does. If he admits he does, the Exxon's stock plummets. And after a time, he's out of his chintzy job. Why admit something when you don't have to? Let marketing research do the dirty work for you.

So instead we as a nation are treated to a test.

With the conclusion of the last test, (Katrina) several things were discovered about our society.

1) as prices got higher, people drove less (no duh)

2) the sales of SUV's dropped

3) the sales of fuel efficient cars and hybrids went up.

but on the other hand, as prices went down;

1) people drove more

2) SUV sales went up

3) fuel efficient cars and hybrid sales went down.

Prior to Katrina, gas was at an average of, I believe, $1.50 nationwide. After-wards and after the spike then drop in gas prices, the average price was $2.20 nationwide.

People became accustomed to the new norm. 2+ dollars for a gallon of gas.

This whole reaction by the American population is what I like to call, "Whew, that was a close one", why? Because the belief that as high as the prices were when they finally settled, they were certainly lower than when they had spiked.

This is the equivalent of saying, "wow, although the bullet hit me, it only blew off my foot". Thanking ones lucky stars to still be alive.

The next time, this time, we might not be so lucky.

Like I said earlier, the oil companies and the gov't are completely aware of peak oil and are now conducting and elaborate experiment.

At what point does the price of oil/gas get so high that it becomes detrimental upon society.

We are currently riding a national average of $3.30 at the pump. Some areas are already nearing or above $4.00.

When the national average hits $4.00+, things become interesting.

The people who live out in the exurbs, both the middle class and the lower middle class will start experiencing hard choices that need to be made.

The poor of our society already lacking many skills to move up the food change will be hit first and the hardest. Unable to live near their jobs, and because of the overwhelming poor mass transit system in the U.S., they must drive to work. At some point as the price of gas goes up, it will be come a trip of diminishing returns.

On top of that, the price of food will go up, as will as clothing.

The next that will be hit will be the middle class. Most of which is occupied by people who could just about afford to buy a home, but one located way out in the middle of nowhere in the exurbs, will also have few choices in the way of getting to work and will have to tighten the belt to stretch what gas they can buy to make the daily commute.

And as always, the upper middle class and the rich will feel the pinch at the pump less but however feel it in a much different way.

The cost of services. The lower class that usually provides the labor for those services will have to charge more to cover their traveling cost. The upper middle class becomes the new middle class.

All of society takes a step down the rung.

As the effect of the rise in the price of gas begins to hit the economy, that's when you will see the price back off. It will drop down to a national average of roughly $3.00 a gallon and once again the U.S. population will groan and sigh with a resounding, "whew, that was close" once again.

However, this time while they are thanking their lucky stars, they will not have lost a foot, but one of their legs will be gone.

And this time they will remark, "well, I still have my other leg."

Up and up the price will go once again. Boiling the frog, cooking the goose, whatever you want to call it. It's still a death by a thousand cuts.

I choose to see it in a different way. I look at it as a way to ease us into a permanent depression. Where people muddle along, not complaining, not wanting, just grinning and bearing it. Unlike the crash of 29, where people demanded action, unions, standard work hours, good pay, social security, etc, and got it from a responsible government.

This time, the population, us, we, me, will just plod along, a portion of us will protest, but the economy, at least psychologically, is set up in such a way that people want more and more stuff and as long as the government can maintain that vail of normalcy, aka cheap crap at Wal-mart, nothing will change.

Perhaps this is the master plan to ease us off of fossil fuels, I would believe that if more fuel efficient cars were available or if an electric car was introduced or the rail system got a huge bump from the government, etc. But none of those things are happening, what is happening, as always through out the history of the world, the have mores are wanting even more at the expense of the have even-less.

Welcome to the future, where the race is not to win per say, but the last person to have the last tank of gas.
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:00 PM
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23. You hit the nail right on the head, Javaman.
How much is too much? Dick Cheney is letting his buddies find out precisely that, consequences be damned.

I know a guy who owns property with an abandoned gas station on it. In 2000, he put 2500 gallons of 93 octane gasoline in one tank, and the same amount of 2D diesel in the other one.

Crazy asshole STILL hasn't tapped into it for his own day-to-day needs.

He's always said, "When gas gets to $5.00 per gallon, I'll start taking one tank a month off of it (he drives a Chevy Cavalier). The diesel I'm keeping 'til their ain't none no more."

I'm starting to think that he has a very good point.

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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:08 PM
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11. The tank on my Scion is just 11 gallons and it seems that it was $3.12 when I last filled it.
The price here now is $3.49. I'm only about a half a tank down, but I may fill it up tomorrow. The way things are going it almost makes sense to top off every other day.

I don't drive much, but even if gas went up a dollar a gallon it would not change any vacation plans for me. I might drive to Chicago which is a 550 mile round trip and since I get over 30 mpg it would cost me an extra $20-30 for the trip if gas increased by a buck more than it is now. How many would not think twice about dropping $5 for a fast food meal?

Ultimately I do not worry about gas prices for personal travel, but for its effect upon food prices and the price of other goods. Plus, living in Wisconsin, I am concerned about how much more it will cost to keep warm next winter because it does get damned cold here.
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baghdad_bush Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:29 PM
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12. $4.30 average for diesel fuel in Northern California
We had planned on traveling for 6+ weeks this year with our 5th wheel trailer and have now cut the travel plans back to 2 weeks. It's not that we can't afford to purchase the fuel, I don't want to 'give' my money to the oil companies and Bush's oil excecutive buddies...

Screw them!! I'm going to stay home and spend the money on beer...
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 11:29 PM
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13. Well, at least one "surge" is working.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 01:23 AM
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17. my crappy old Toyota looks better every day
gas would have to be $15 - $20 a gallon before I couldn't afford to fill it.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:12 AM
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18. Is this the hyper inflation everyone said was coming or is this
just the same old stagflation? I'm confused.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 06:00 AM
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19. "Recession"
:sarcasm:
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FredMertz Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:54 AM
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21. Maybe Congress should tie the minimum wage to the price of gas
I'm sure that would lower the price real quick.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:03 AM
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22. Don't make me come back there! Stop making sense, will you? nt
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