United States is drawing up plans to strike on Iranian insurgency camp

Source: The Sunday Times UK

From The Sunday Times
May 4, 2008
United States is drawing up plans to strike on Iranian insurgency camp
Michael Smith

The US military is drawing up plans for a “surgical strike” against an insurgent training camp inside Iran if Republican Guards continue with attempts to destabilise Iraq, western intelligence sources said last week. One source said the Americans were growing increasingly angry at the involvement of the Guards’ special-operations Quds force inside Iraq, training Shi’ite militias and smuggling weapons into the country.

Despite a belligerent stance by Vice-President Dick Cheney, the administration has put plans for an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities on the back burner since Robert Gates replaced Donald Rumsfeld as defence secretary in 2006, the sources said.

However, US commanders are increasingly concerned by Iranian interference in Iraq and are determined that recent successes by joint Iraqi and US forces in the southern port city of Basra should not be reversed by the Quds Force. “If the situation in Basra goes back to what it was like before, America is likely to blame Iran and carry out a surgical strike on a militant training camp across the border in Khuzestan,” said one source, referring to a frontier province.

They acknowledged Iran was unlikely to cease involvement in Iraq and that, however limited a US attack might be, the fighting could escalate.

Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3868063.ece

:rofl:

How do these people not see the irony???

They don't care that they look like fools, do they?

now there's a shock.

in fact, does any of this surprise anyone?

Bushco must be removed from power immediately.

Iran will be even more unlikely to cease involvement in Iraq if we do anything. How many uniformed bodies can we send there? Take a look at what Iran can call up of its own military forces. Would Iran decide, should we have an act of war on them, they they would do nothing? Nonsense! They would, should a shelling take place of anything they valued--swarm across that border, because they can, into Iraq. What stops them? Iraqis? The army who lay down their arms and bolted when confronted with the Mahdi Army? Oh, and some of whom may be sympathetic with Iran, anyway, because of many political and religious ties?

The involvement of Iran in the Iraq situation is largely due to their shared border and history. They have reasons. The insurgents have reasons. I do not excuse or condone the choice to express their views with violence. Nor do I believe Iran has any business interfering in the Iraq process of becoming a unified country. But then again, I have become (and by no means gradually--having had my doubts even before our invasion of Iraq) unhappy with our involvement, and violence, in the process of the post-Saddam Iraq's becoming a unified and effective country, as opposed to being a failed state with a bleeding but well-meaning, probably, occupier, who has to swat every fly in the region to legitimize its continued occupation.

In other words--this scenarios really sucks. If bombs hit Iraq, I want a perp-walk of Bush and Cheney and Gates and Rice for an act of war without approval of Congress. Seriously.

If we hit the Iranians, and they hit us or the Iraqis, this baby is gonna escalate to tactical nukes. Just what Cheney & Co want. You don't need boots on the ground for that kind of warfare. Just carriers and cruise missiles.

Scary shit.

We are so fucked and it is by design.
I'd say "WAKE UP AMERICA" but by now, it
is clear that it is too late.
Let them continue sleeping- soon enough
they shall be jolted into reality.

BHN

But are they dumb or just brutally cunning? Escalate is the word for this. Bush can clearly get away with bombing a *training base* of the *evil* Republican Guard, at home. But the bombers will likely come from the two carriers now sitting (like ducks)in the Persian Gulf. Or stealth bombers from Garcia Diego Island, likely both. What will Iran do in response if bush attacks? My guess is that they will strike back. For sure they hit at the carriers. They may even have missiles that can hit Garcia Diego. Should a carrier be hit and sink with thousands of sailors lost then all the stops come off. We hit numerous command and control nodes and nuclear sites with battle field nucs. The Green Zone and oil shipping ports in the Gulf get hammered with Iranian missiles. Oil goes to $250 a barrel. We live off the Reserves for a few months as the Gulf Region goes into complete turmoil. Elections are canceled and martial law is put into effect. All US National Debts are canceled. Countries around the world are told that *economic warfare* (based on our definition) is equal to military warfare and will be responded to as such. We are on the doorstep of WW3. And let me say that PBS, now run by corporate amerika, has been running a documentary made in 2005 about life aboard the Nimitz. It is 20 hours in ten segments and very people oriented, 'get to know your sailors' stuff. It played every night last week. Coincidence? Bob

Second, Diego Garcia is to far away for Iranian Missiles to hit. More Likely Scenario:

1. US Hits Camp and whatever else the US decided to hit to "Protect Iraq".
2. Iran retaliates, by sinking whatever ship, including their own, in the Strait of Hormuz.
3. Iran launches Missile attacks on the Saudi and Kuwaiti oil Terminals.
4. Sahr orders his troops into revolt.
5. SCRIP (the other Shiite Group in Iraq) joins in with Sahr do to Orders from Iran
6. The Green Zone is Attacked by Missiles from Iran.
6. The US to "Defend" itself from the above orders a full scale attack on Iran.
7. Iran takes the hit, calls on all Shiites to come to their aid, leads to revolts in the part of Saudi Arabia with Shiite Population (Which happens to be where the oil is), Kuwait (Which has a majority of its population Shiite) and the other gulf States (Who also have majority of their population Shiite).
8. The Egyptian Brotherhood tries ot overthrow the military Government of Egypt, through the Brotherhood is Sunni, this will be an opportunity.
9. Hamas increases its attacks on Israel, this is supported by Iran, based on the Assumption the US will send aid ot Israel before its sends aid to US troops in Iraq.
10. Russia, Nigeria AND Venezuela demands payment in Euros (And the #2 NON-Persian Gulf Exporter, Norway demands oil in its own Currency).
11. Do to the fact that the Persian Gulf is closed, Price at the pump triples in Europe (i.e. goes to $24 a gallon). Europe can take a tripling of the price of Gasoline, thus can and will pay $24 a Gallon. The US can NOT pay an eight fold increase in its price of Gasoline, thus severe economic criss in the US.
12. China and India also pay $20 a gallon gasoline.
13. The US Dollar becomes worthless as India and China try to use their Dollar holdings to buy Oil, but the people who can export, Russia, Norway, Venezuela and Nigeria will want Euros.
14. The US will NOT be able to borrow any money from anyone. Europe and Japan will try to Keep the US economy up, to help their own economy, but as US inflation goes deep into Double digits, both groups will want the US to borrow in Euros or Yens, which will lead to tripe digit inflation.
15. The US War machine grins to a halt in Iraq, do to lack of oil, do to a lack of Euros. Bush will order them to stay and fight, but with no air support (No oil for the Planes), no tanks (No oil for the Tanks) and a hostile population the Army will face a dilemma, obey oRders and stand and fight, or try to save part of the Army by breaking out to Israel or Turkey.
16. Iran declares Victory, but is itself suffering from massive starvation do to lack of food do to lack of transport (Iran presently imports much of its Gasoline and Diesel Fuel).
17. The US may even take Tehran in its war, but the above economic problems will force its withdraw. The US will NOT be driven out of Iran and Iraq, the US will leave just to save its army.
Alternative: If the Army obeys Bush, we will see the Middle east version of Stalingrad, where the Hitler kept thronging men into a battle he had already lost but he did NOT want to admit defeat and refused to withdraw. i.e. the Destruction of the WHOLE US Army in Iraq. No fuel, no movement and that leads to complete defeat(I hate to say it I see the US Army obeying orders, no matter how dumb, thus be prepared for a massive lost of US Troops).
18. Afghanistan is lost to the Taliban, as the Taliban moves against the US supported Government and that Government has no access to Air Power to stop the Taliban.
19. Bin Laden appears and accepts the Caliphate from the Islamic revolutionary that overthrow the present government of Pakistan. Again the Government loses its US Support and without such support the Government can not stand.
20. bin Laden Leads a revolution against the House of Saud and Establish the Caliphate in Arabia. Iran and the combination of Pakistan and Arabia prepares to fight it out over who will lead the Islamic World.
Alternative: Iran and bin Laden agrees to divide up the mid-east. Iran, the Gulf States and the Shiite parts of Arabia are given to Iran in exchange for a 50-50 split of the oil and natural gas. This gives bin Laden control over most of southwest Asia that are Sunni AND a steady source of money. Iran gets most of the Shiites, control over almost all of the oil and Natural Gas, in exchange to sharing the revenue with bin Laden and his Sunnis.

Isn't a unilateral attack *inside* Iran's border essentially a declaration of war?

I always knew Cheney was gunning for Iran. Looks like he may get his (and McCain's) wish.

:scared:

on edit: k&r

Kyle/Lieberman.

The United States has a long and well established pattern of imperialist violence - both covert and overt - against other countries, under both Republican and Democratic administrations. The invasion of Iraq and the potential attacks against Iran are merely a continuation of that pattern.

Our problem is intrinsic to our society, and the road to recovery begins with admitting that we do indeed have a problem.

Nothing else will.

...because I'm sure that Congress will counter these moves with a "strongly worded letter."

- K&R

hillary`s ready from day one to put her finger on the big red button....but don`t ask her about her vote or you`ll end up like this guy in iowa

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/10/07/clintons_iran_vote_prompts_a_h.html
Clinton's Iran Vote Prompts A Harsh Back-and-Forth | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

...then her campaign will be its first casualty.

From the article:


It seems that she defaults to the idea that everyone's out to get her. Could it possibly be that 3 other people like this man, are concerned about her politics? She automatically accuses this man of being a plant. Why? Maybe because she uses them so much herself? This has always been Hillary's problem. She's intelligent with no smarts or common sense whatsoever.

- The only thing she seems consistently good at, is pissing people off...

One of about 10 people in congress with any scruples whatsoever.

thats OK. If the fighting goes up, its even better, we get to bomb Iran.

to hit back.

They have the anti-ship missiles - enough to take out the entire Gulf fleet. They could send an army of of a half-million men into Iraq and Afghanistan.

Who's arming, feeding, and dressing this bunch?

When you tell me we've started filling warehouses, I'll start to believe this.

large groups of helicopters buzzing by overhead at night for a month now heading to Fort Bragg. That has gotten my attention.

:scared:

The military met with Town Hall folks here in Monroe County ( 90 miles north of Pensacola) to discuss fighter jets flying across Ala. because , they said, they were moving a Tactical wing FROM Ft. Bragg to Elgin Air Base in Fla./Pensacola.

????????????????

I find it is a pattern with military maneuvers in the future and a lot of activity in the air at night. Memories of 2002/2003.

sells newspapers I guess

I would greatly appreciate it if you could allay my concerns over this matter. Thanks in advance.

how many stories have been posted here over the last 2+ years that assure us that an attack on Iran is happening very, very soon? Countless articles have been posted from all-knowing journalists that have delved out the true story... but it hasn't happened. Like I said... sells newspapers I guess.

None of them have come to pass ... this one won't either.

in the Sunni Triangle. Four marines died on Friday in that area. The article went on to say that the death by U.S. troops, mostly marines, had increased in that area. The area borders Saudia Arabia, and other Sunni countries. Why are we not threatening these countries along with Iran? No way is George going to threaten them, it seems...

I have problems posting from most sites such as Yahoo. Hope someone posts that article. Computer stupid here!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b6a_1209656657

Kurds gotta make a living smuggling alocohol into the muslim country

The U.S. will never sustain a three-front war. Americans should start to panic at that point, if they can pull themselves away from American Idol.

You are correct, my friend ;)

The USA cannot go away ... the USA is her people.

You must figure out how you will survive them.

Welcome to DU btw-
BHN

when iran so much as spits in their direction they'll SCREAM 'we're being attacked!'

These lunatics could drop nuclear bombs in their neocon desperation.

Delayed elections and martial law.

and they might not be wrong.

most fighters would now be vacating the camp, if it in fact exists. IMO, the camp does not exist and the attack would be on an encampment of Iranian regulars for the express purpose of starting a war.

just empty words I guess.

Do as we say, not as we do!

How very fortunate that we're not the leaders of the world, coz we sure as shit don't want anyone doing to us what we do to them.