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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:36 AM
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Are conservatives happier than liberals?
Source: MSNBC

Individuals with conservative ideologies are happier than liberal-leaners, and new research pinpoints the reason: Conservatives rationalize social and economic inequalities.

Regardless of marital status, income or church attendance, right-wing individuals reported greater life satisfaction and well-being than left-wingers, the new study found. Conservatives also scored highest on measures of rationalization, which gauge a person's tendency to justify, or explain away, inequalities.

The rationalization measure included statements such as: "It is not really that big a problem if some people have more of a chance in life than others," and "This country would be better off if we worried less about how equal people are."

To justify economic inequalities, a person could support the idea of meritocracy, in which people supposedly move up their economic status in society based on hard work and good performance. In that way, one's social class attainment, whether upper, middle or lower, would be perceived as totally fair and justified.

If your beliefs don't justify gaps in status, you could be left frustrated and disheartened, according to the researchers, Jaime Napier and John Jost of New York University. They conducted a U.S.-centric survey and a more internationally focused one to arrive at the findings.




Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24502967/
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:39 AM
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1. Of course they are. Ignorance is bliss. n/t
Edited on Wed May-07-08 11:39 AM by ronnie624
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:39 AM
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2. I came in here to say exactly that.
Too slow...
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:43 AM
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8. I can't believe I was finally the first to reply. I have a dial-up account. n/t
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:58 AM
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15. Me too! LoL
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:15 PM
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19. Another looking to post the obvious parallel, here. n/t
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:53 PM
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52. If they're screwing Americans out of $ they take for themselves
conservatives are happier
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:43 AM
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7. not only that - they have TWO wars going on, the have Scallia, they have their guns
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:24 PM
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20. Yep. If ignorance is bliss, they're in Eden.
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:40 AM
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3. In other words, those of us that live in reality are unhappier.
Breaking news, that.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:40 AM
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4. Sure, after seven and a half years
of having their "Dear Leader" in the White House they're bound to be happier. As for me, I'm pissed. And bitter.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:41 AM
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5. They are saying that those who are delusional are happier
than those who aren't.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:01 PM
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17. Exactly.
From the article:

Conservatives also scored highest on measures of rationalization, which gauge a person's tendency to justify, or explain away, inequalities.

"Our research suggests that inequality takes a greater psychological toll on liberals than on conservatives," the researchers write in the June issue of the journal Psychological Science, "apparently because liberals lack ideological rationalizations that would help them frame inequality in a positive (or at least neutral) light."
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:07 PM
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45. "Don't worry, be happy" is the Reagan motto, after all
Don't worry about conserving fuel, we can always invade another country to get more. Don't worry about the environment, we're all going to be raptured long before it's ever a problem. And so on and so on...
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:41 AM
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6. Their Delusional Hour Is Up
Edited on Wed May-07-08 11:41 AM by Demeter
Conservatives are going to be philosophically miserable for many years--but they will find their economic and social situation much improved when they lose the reins of power....
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:43 AM
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9. In my experience, yes.
It's a happiness derived from willfully ignoring the problems of the world. American conservatism, at its core, can best be described at corporate pseudo-Christian pollyannaism. "I'm OK, it's not my problem if you're not OK, and God will save us anyway if I'm wrong."

I prefer reality.
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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:44 AM
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10. I think the opposite is true, unless
you are a liberal that wants your views shared by everyone.

If you feel you are an open minded liberal and you accept that and go about your life, things like gay marriage, Terri Schiavo, ... dont bother you.

On the other hand if you feel that your liberal viewpoint is the right one and you are looking to persuade everyone else, you feel sick in your stomach all the time and you will probably kill yourself feeling the frustration.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:44 AM
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11. Makes sense. If you don't care about anyone else's suffering,
It bothers me to hear about someone losing their home and/or life savings because they lost their job and health insurance and suddenly had a medical problem. It bothers me to see 70 year olds bagging groceries because they don't have a pension and didn't save enough money to retire. It bothers me to think of millions of good-paying American jobs going to third-world countries, while the CEO's rake in ten's and hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses, PLUS retirement packages.

Conservatives don't give a shit unless something happens to them. As long as it doesn't they are perfectly happy.
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:48 AM
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13. Ditto!
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:48 AM
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12. Of course they are.
The rich conservatives have lots of money and feel like they totally deserve it and the poor don't.

The poor conservatives have the Jesus drug to make it all go away.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:57 AM
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14. Conservatives rationalize social and economic inequalities.
Translation: cold hearted, non caring, self centered, selfish and stupid
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:32 PM
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49. Bingo
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:58 AM
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16. Of course.
Haven't you ever heard of blissful ignorance?
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:11 PM
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18. It may be true, until November, that is
I don't think McCain can beat Obama or Hillary, and it looks like it's going to be Obama.

McCain is older than Reagan was in 1980. He's not the sharpest wit in a debate, and as much as I respect his service to our country, I just don't think he's going to do as well as conservatives seem to think.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:28 PM
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21. I don't think they are this year.
And I hope they'll be much unhappier after November.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:33 PM
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22. Quite the opposite I believe. Happy people tend to be liberal. Mean, selfish, unsatisfied, small-
minded people tend to be conservative.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:35 PM
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23. If people are willing to lie to themselves then how dependable are they on a survey?
No matter what kind of messed up rut you've gotten yourself into you've got to convince yourself that everything is fine or you'll go absolutely nutso-kooky-wacko and start shooting. I know, I am merely a torso with one finger hanging from the ceiling by an aparatus made of duct tape and you know what? Life ain't bad! GO MCCAIN!
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:37 PM
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24. Here is an interesting take on that...from Feb. 06
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:38 PM
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25. QUESTION; who backed/funded the study?
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:39 PM
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26. Their name says it all conservative=status quo.
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SexiJesi23 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:42 PM
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36. Exactly, in russia the 'conservatives' were communists
during the democratic phase
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:34 PM
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50. Ivan the Terrible was the conservative
During the feudal phase.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:54 PM
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27. They aren't really happier
They have manage their unhappiness by going to church, participating in gov't propaganda and basically reminding themselves that everything is all right while scapegoating everyone else when they get upset.

All I have to do is eat something and I'm happy.

Rationalizing only works until you hit the hard wall of reality.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 12:55 PM
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28. the thing that caught my attention in the full article was
the researchers seemed to be making the case that something is wrong with liberals because they "....lack ideological rationalizations that would help them frame inequality in a positive (or at least neutral) light."....like we're defective in some way because we can't dismiss and ignore the reality around us. Fascinating.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:03 PM
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29. Very interesting indeed. I think it is a brain defect.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:01 AM
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61. Isn't that interesting?
Wow. I can't fit that idea in my brain, actually.

At the same time, though, I've seen studies that say people who are altruistic are happier. Givers are happier. Not sure how that fits in with this, either.
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:09 PM
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30. My cousin, when he went through his "Republican phase" his freshman year of college,
tried to tell me that he was in favor of a "meritocracy," where everybody "earns their way" and nobody gets "special treatment." This, from a guy whose father makes about $200K a year. :spray:

But at the same time, he was also miserable, since he was attending ultra-librul UC Berkeley. Fortunately, he discarded most of the right-wing bullshit a long time ago, and while he probably still wouldn't fit in here, he is an Obama supporter.
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LesserFool Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:16 PM
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31. Is ignorance bliss?
Or asked another way: Is ignorance bliss?

"When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things." - The Christian Bible, 1 Cor 13:11.

The more you know, the more you realize you don't know. And the more you learn about the world, the more you realize how gray and fuzzy reality is.

For some people, that is just too much to handle. So they fall back on "simple truths." For others who abide in a simplistic black/white worldview, they just don't know any better.

Truly ignorance is bliss.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:16 PM
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32. No surprise here. Conservatives often support and sanction the murder of millions of people
and don't even feel the slightest pang of remorse over it.

Conservative support for fascism prior to and during WWII, and conservative support for the wars in Vietnam and Iraq are just a few of the historical examples of how conservatives lack empathy and conscience.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:20 PM
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33. Yes. Because they enjoy driving us nuts.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:37 PM
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34. No they are not.
Happiness is a liberal concept. Therefore only liberals can be happy and/or aim at happiness. Repletion is the conservative/primate equivalent.
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SexiJesi23 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 01:41 PM
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35. They are rich so why wouldn't they be happy??
If money can't buy you happiness than you aren't shopping at the right places!
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:04 AM
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57. Money can't buy happiness....but it sure makes misery easier to bear.
:)
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:02 AM
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62. But they're not
Not at all. Many conservatives are not doing well - and yet, vote against their better interests.

I don't think wealth is a good marker of political ideology.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:54 PM
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37. " Conservatives also scored highest on measures of rationalization"
Edited on Wed May-07-08 02:55 PM by nam78_two
Conservatives also scored highest on measures of rationalization, which gauge a person's tendency to justify, or explain away, inequalities.

The rationalization measure included statements such as: "It is not really that big a problem if some people have more of a chance in life than others," and "This country would be better off if we worried less about how equal people are."


There it is in a nutshell :eyes:-I got mine, screw the rest of you.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:45 PM
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41. yup.... real happy there
happy like a dry drunk
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:03 AM
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63. Yes. I have long thought that is the GOP's real motto: I've got mine. nt
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Jimbo S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 02:54 PM
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38. If you're not angry, then you're not paying attention.
If you're rich and live comfortably, yeah then it's easy to ignore the problems of the world.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:05 PM
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39. Truth is, I've always envied conservatives
I've always felt it would a lot easier to be a conservative for the exact reasons stated in the article.

It would be nice to not care about inequality and to believe that everyone gets their due, based on their own effort, etc. If I actually believed that crap, then the world would be a just and fair place.

But I'm a left-liberal, and the world is very unjust, and I feel compelled to do something about it. But I am always disappointed when the struggle turns out to be so long, so difficult, and sometimes futile.

It makes me wish I had a choice and I could actually abandon my world view for a conservative one.

But I can't, so here I am, stuck with a set of beliefs that actually make me unhappy.

Sigh.

- B
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 03:44 PM
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40. Huh? Nope...... Most Conservatives I Know are like Dry Drunks
they might be smiling but man are they some of the meanist pricks I have ever ecountered.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 04:20 PM
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42. I don't believe this propaganda. All I have to do is look at the rw people I know.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:01 PM
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43. ie Conservatives lie to themselves....
Liberals are honest with themselves. Yep, that sums it up.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:03 PM
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44. More content, less joyful.
...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:08 PM
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46. Also of course...
as long as Bush et al are in power, it's the conservatives who have what they want!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:24 PM
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47. They are more rigid, more hostile at the heart of things, living in fear, suspicious of people
different from themselves.

This is information gathered from a lifetime of having lived among them, as a child in a fundamentalist home.

The author apparently is deluded. Maybe she's mired too deeply in that way of "thinking," herself to have a clue. The article complete sucks.

Spend some time around these guys, take off your blinders, author Jeanna Bryner.

They are immature herd animals. Pathetic. Very, very limited.

As a final note, maybe stages of discomfort, questioning, anxiety are absolutely necessary as part of vital growth out of childish dependency and gullibility, and necessary stages on the way to awareness. You don't get there without passing through soul-searching, and real change you have to accept on your own, as something no one can do for you.

I've only seen a handful of people who started out right-wingers pull out of that herd mentality and become conscientious, joyous human beings.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 05:32 PM
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48. "If your beliefs don't justify gaps in status" my a$$
How about if your experience prevents you from assuming that a meritocracy would reward people based on worth...

How ridiculous. I want MSNBC to make this same argument to people like Erma Faye Stewart of Hearne, Texas; a single mother who holds down a job despite being a single mom... in 2002 her house was raided and cocaine was planted in order to arrest her for possession. She pleaded guilty because she couldn't spend the night in jail with her young children at home... now she has court fees, fines, and probation to deal with... and she can't vote even though the ACLU had 27 similar cases thrown out...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/plea/four/stewart.html

MSNBC and the journal of Psychological science should be forced to tell her that she isn't happy because she isn't a conservative.

Screw them.
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poppysgal Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:52 PM
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51. if happiness
means being anal and judgmental then yes I guess they are, one happy conservative when we (dems) win in November will probably be Rush Limpballs who's ratings will more than likely go up as he rants about the dems in the Whitehouse. I will add this though I am one liberal that will be very happy to see the "Dubya Years" come to an end.:smoke:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 06:55 PM
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53. It would be interesting to read the study
This may just refer to self-reported happiness. Conservatives may tend to have more of a self bias - i.e. they may think they have to claim they are happy, perhaps for religious reasons. One would have to read the original study to discover these nuances.

I certainly haven't met many happy conservatives.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:50 PM
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54. Their whole ideology is based on denial.
I think this is a big selling point of the GOP. If you join them, you won't have to care about anything or anybody but yourself because they have a ready excuse for not caring about every one of society's problems.

From their point of view, nothing is wrong and it's ok not to care because Jesus helps those who help themselves...Poor people are just lazy and stupid, so they deserve to be poor and hungry...there is no global warming, so no worry that your over-consumption and fuel use is killing the planet...every war the US wages is just and fair, so there's no guilt feelings and frustration about what your government is doing or fear of what it might do next and to whom...Workers need no protections because businesses are all moral and fair and also need no regulation because the market will magically take care of everything anyway...Of course they're happier! I'd be happier too if I believed some of the things they do.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:53 PM
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55. they should be- it's the world they want.
a lot of us liberals got the shaft, as far as the political winds of our lifetime are/were concerned.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:01 PM
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56. I'm an unhappy person because I rationalize the stupidity of conservatives
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:07 AM
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58. I love how they included
a picture of smiling conservatives at a McCain rally and one of "stern-looking liberals" at a Hill rally to drive home their point.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:18 AM
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59. The Republican Party -- now with 50% more Lobotomized Happiness®
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:28 AM
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60. I posted a thread on this in Editorials not too long ago!
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