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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:04 AM
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Informal Obama adviser steps aside over Hamas talks
Source: NBC News


Informal Obama adviser steps aside over Hamas talks

Posted: Friday, May 09, 2008 4:47 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Andrea Mitchell

One of the Obama campaign's informal Middle East advisers, Robert Malley, confirms to NBC NEWS that he has resigned from any role in the campaign because critics have tried to make an issue of his meetings with Hamas. The Times of London called him about it this morning, and has posted a story online. As a result, he called Obama's campaign today and took himself out of any future role.

Malley's paid job is with the International Crisis Group, which, he says, requires him to meet with Hamas and others. Malley worked for six and a half years at the Clinton National Security Council under Tony Lake and Sandy Berger. Lake is now one of Obama's top foreign policy advisors.

Speaking to NBC NEWS, Malley said, "I decided based on the fact that this was coming a distraction that it was best that I remove myself from any association with the campaign."

snip

McCain has brought up on more than one occasion that a Hamas spokesman had complimentary things to say about Obama.



Read more: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/09/1005411.aspx
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:32 AM
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1. I Thought It Was Called Diplomacy
Why do McCain and LIEberman hate diplomacy???
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:40 AM
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2. Because it's with Them Eeeeeevil Ay-rabs...
...and we can't have that, can we? :eyes:

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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:43 AM
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3. Nope, Got To Obliiiiiiteraate Them All! nt
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:52 AM
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19. Because it doesn't serve the goals of Eretz Israel nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:53 AM
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4. On McCain, Obama and a Hamas Link


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May 10, 2008
Check Point

On McCain, Obama and a Hamas Link

By LARRY ROHTER

In the clearest indication yet of how he intends to confront Senator Barack Obama on foreign policy issues in the general election, Senator John McCain on Friday again portrayed the Democratic contender as being the favorite of Hamas, the militant Palestinian group, and implied that he would also be friendly with Iran, a Hamas ally.
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Mr. Obama has not let attacks go unanswered. On Thursday, he replied by saying that Mr. McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, was “losing his bearings” and engaging in “smear” tactics. “My policy toward Hamas has been no different than his,” Mr. Obama said in an interview on CNN.

Mr. McCain’s attacks are part of a broader effort by his campaign to depict Mr. Obama, the leader in the delegate count in the Democratic race for president, as inexperienced and naïve on foreign policy in general and soft on terrorism and its sponsors specifically. Throughout the campaign, Mr. Obama has also had to fight a related perception, one encouraged by his Democratic rivals, that his support for Israel is also weak.

For his part, Mr. McCain has taken pride in the enmity with which he regards Hamas. “I think that the people should understand that I will be Hamas’s worst nightmare,” he said late last month in a conference call with conservative bloggers.
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Susan E. Rice, a former State Department and National Security Council official who is a foreign policy adviser to the Democratic candidate, said that “for political purposes, Senator Obama’s opponents on the right have distorted and reframed” his views. Mr. McCain and his surrogates have repeatedly stated that Mr. Obama would be willing to meet “unconditionally” with Mr. Ahmadinejad. But Dr. Rice said that this was not the case for Iran or any other so-called “rogue” state. Mr. Obama believes “that engagement at the presidential level, at the appropriate time and with the appropriate preparation, can be used to leverage the change we need,” Dr. Rice said. “But nobody said he would initiate contacts at the presidential level; that requires due preparation and advance work.”

Mr. Obama has been clear in making a distinction between his willingness to talk “not just to countries we like, but those we don’t,” as he puts it, and Hamas and other political movements similar to it. “Hamas is not a state,” Mr. Obama told a Jewish group last month. “Hamas is a terrorist organization.”
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That is not a new position for Mr. Obama. In 2006, he, like Mr. McCain, was a co-sponsor of the Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act, which called on “members of the international community to avoid contact with and refrain from financially supporting the terrorist organization Hamas” until it met all of the same requirements that Mr. Obama enumerated again on Thursday.

Michael Cooper contributed reporting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/us/politics/10mccain.html?ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=print
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:02 AM
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5. What is weak
is Obama sucking up to the "Israel can do no wrong" -camp, instead of keeping to the line "I will talk to anyone".
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:07 AM
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7. I think he's doing a good balancing act, which is what one must do to
be perceived as an honest broker....which I believe Obama will be much more than those other two extreme cases.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:21 AM
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8. In any case
honesty and truth should not be compromized with a "good balancing act". In truth, Hamas won the Palestinian elections and is the legal representative governement of Palestinian people. In truth, there can be no peace without talking to Hamas. In truth, "honest brokering" cannot be built upon demonizing Hamas.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:30 AM
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12. I believe that a balancing act is required.....
UNless you want another NeoCon in the White House. Do you?

cause that is the reality, my "friend".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5913369
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:38 AM
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14. Back to reality of the 'SUPER CLASS '...
We didn't elect them. We can't throw them out. And they're getting more powerful every day.

Call them the superclass.

At the moment, Americans are fixated on the political campaign. In the meantime, many are missing a reality of the global era that may matter much more than their presidential choice: On an ever-growing list of issues, the big decisions are being made or profoundly influenced by a little-understood international network of business, financial, government, cultural and military leaders who are beyond the reach of American voters.

In addition to top officials, these people include corporate executives, leading investors, top bankers, media moguls, heads of state, generals, religious leaders, heads of terrorist and criminal organizations and a handful of important cultural and scientific figures. Each of these roughly 6,000 individuals is set apart by their power and ability to regularly influence millions of lives across international borders. The group is not monolithic, but none is more globalized or has more influence over the direction in which the global era is heading.......

PLEASE READ: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/02/AR2008050203311.html
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:57 AM
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16. I don't want White House
in the first place, who really needs the federal state of USA? :)

But as said, Obama is the lesser evil, so good luck with him.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:37 AM
Response to Reply #5
9. The unfortunate truth in U.S. politics is that NO one can successfully run for ANY office w/o
carefully placating Israel to some degree or another. It's just the way it is -- and will remain this way until such time as the current bipartisan Foreign Policy Establishment can be successfully overthrown.

Obama is in no position to take on this task of overthrowing the bipartisan Foreign Policy Establishment, which should come as no surprise to anyone.

sw
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:46 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. I don't doubt that
but that fact should not keep DUers from critizing it and also Obama - who is, granted, the somewhat less hopeless candidate of the three in respect to US foreign policy - but gives even more reason and responsibility to keep up the voice of truth, honesty and reason.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:05 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. The DUers who recognize it DO criticize it. But not all DUers recognize it.
Since you are new here, I think you should know that there are a great many different layers of understanding articulated on DU.

After 7 years here, I can assure you that DU is not a Leftist paradise.

:D
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #11
15. I understand that
but DU seems to be a easy place to reach to USAn's that are not from a totally different planet from the rest of the world. :)
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #15
24. There are, hopefully, a few of us here who try to be on the same planet as the rest of the world.
:hi:

sw
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:02 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. Holy Chit, Worst Nightmare, Obliterate
We might as well keep * than vote for McCain or Clinton. I would like to try some diplomacy instead of juvenile name calling and threats for a change.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:56 AM
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13. Bob Malley is a great man
Edited on Sat May-10-08 06:56 AM by TomClash
He stood up to Ehud Barak and told the truth.

Gee, I wonder who "his critics" were?

The Israeli Right Hand and its apostles in the US have already begun their work.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:03 AM
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17. AIPAC will have any U.S. president by the short hairs -- won't make any difference who it is.
The fight against them must come from us. Politicians generally can't change things unless there's lots of people pushing them to change.

sw
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:51 AM
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18. Agreed
There's no question AIPAC and its lesser cohorts will lobby Barack hard - "Harvey Weinstein style." There will be no peace.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:04 PM
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20. After reading your thoughtful posts, who would those people be?
Unpopular sentiment gets 'shouted down' or ignored, so nobody in the populace really hears it. And when that happens it doesn't get onto the political radar screen. You've been here 7 years, so my question is, over that time at any point did you ever observe great awareness that has since faded or was this never a truly Left-leaning voice, rather a mix?

Curiousity add-on: where would you say this board now leans primarily (center, left of center or far left) compared to when you first joined? Thanks and :hi:

KS
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 12:38 PM
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21. My own subjective perception of DU is that in its earliest days when there were fewer people posting
Edited on Sat May-10-08 12:44 PM by scarletwoman
the ratio of thoughtful, skillfully-argued posts to superficial crap was much higher. It was always a mix of centrists and varying degrees of leftness, but the centrists used to be much more clearly outnumbered.

On the other hand, those who I would consider to be "far left" (myself included) have always been the minority on DU. I think I can say with some confidence that DU was never far left to begin with.

In the early days, since there were fewer of us and therefore fewer posts; many more DUers would read the same things, so conversations were easier because we all shared the same information -- we didn't have to explain the same things over and over to other members.

These days, I would rate DU as center/center-left -- in my view, it's gotten more centrist over the years, but my perception is undoubtedly skewed by own leftward political evolution over those same years.

sw

(edited for better sentence structure)



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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Thank you for taking time to respond
I had a sense you were going to say pretty much what you have - the only surprise being that this board was always relatively centrist. Seven years ago, after devastating loss #1 to Bush, I would have thought anything directly contrary to his thinking would have ruled. That surprises me a bit. But thanks, again! I am trying to work through some of the cultural anomalies I encounter here.

Hoping you have the very best weekend! KS
:applause:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Thank you for the well wishes.
I feel I must reiterate that my perspective is without doubt much different than many other DU oldtimers, should your same questions be posed to them.

Also, to clarify -- early DU was much less divided by the varying degrees of "left"ness, as it is today, because then we were all like shipwreck survivors waking up on the beach of a lush tropical island, just happy to find ourselves together amidst a sea of troubles.

Thanks for affording me the opportunity to indulge in some nostalgia. :D

sw
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. Perfectly right. I mean left.
Edited on Sat May-10-08 02:06 PM by fshrink
As I recall, we were even daring to think about a new Constitution. Imagine that!!!
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