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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:30 AM
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Blunt Federal Letters Tell Students They’re Security Threats
Source: NYT


WASHINGTON — A German graduate student in oceanography at M.I.T. applied to the Transportation Security Administration for a new ID card allowing him to work around ships and docks.

What the student, Wilken-Jon von Appen, received in return was a letter that not only turned him down but added an ominous warning from John M. Busch, a security administration official: “I have determined that you pose a security threat.

Similar letters have gone to 5,000 applicants across the country who have at least initially been turned down for a Transportation Worker Identification Credential, an ID card meant to guard against acts of terrorism, agency officials said Monday.

The officials also said they were sorry about the language, which they may change in the future, but had no intention of withdrawing letters already sent.

NY Times


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/washington/13tsa.html?ref=us
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:36 AM
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1. Kinda (and more than kinda) reads like a threat doesn't it?
“I have determined that you pose a security threat.”


All things considered, I'd read that as - Get out. GTMO is in your future. We will torture you. Get out. Leave.

but then I don't have the highest opinion of my government...
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:57 AM
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6. Soon those "security threats" will need to be rounded up.
Next up, gas ovens?
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:00 AM
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7. Nah. They'll go for the pet crematoriums or SPCA gas chambers. n/t
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:57 AM
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15. Alkaline hydrolysis would leave less trace evidence and be
environmentally friendly.

"Alkaline hydrolysis is legal in Minnesota and in New Hampshire, where a Manchester funeral director is pushing to offer it. But he has yet to line up the necessary regulatory approvals, and some New Hampshire lawmakers want to repeal the little-noticed 2006 state law legalizing it.

"We believe this process, which enables a portion of human remains to be flushed down a drain...

Psychopaths and dictators have used acid or lye to torture or erase their victims, and legislation to make alkaline hydrolysis available to the public in New York state was branded "Hannibal Lecter's bill" in a play on the movie character's sadism.

Manchester funeral director Chad Corbin wants to operate a $300,000 cylinder in New Hampshire. He said that an alkaline hydrolysis operation is more expensive to set up than a crematorium but that he would charge customers about as much as he would for cremation."


Wonder what he'd charge Homeland Security for a Fed.gov contract.


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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:37 AM
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2. and meanwhile, nothing has been done
about securing our nuclear plants, or even monitoring our truckers all that much-and we all know what a truckload of explosive materials could do if placed in the right location, like in front of a government building in Oklahoma City. I see this mainly as a way to hassle people.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:56 AM
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3. This man is obviously educated, therefore is a danger to them.
I'll bet he doesn't even watch American Idol.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:08 AM
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4. Big brother has a big file on your foreign ass.
And you have been determined persona non grata in the eyes of the Party of the Corporations.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:39 AM
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13. and I bet he thought they were over this when the DDR fell
welcome to the new Stasi, same as the old Stasi
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:56 AM
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5. We just keep on winning hearts & minds all over the world...including at home.
But we're "hated for our freedoms". :eyes:
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:08 AM
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8. what an UGLY 8 years of our country's life this has been.
it can't end too soon for me.

reagan's campaign was about it being "morning in america again"...obama's will have to be that it's the "morning after in america again".
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:46 AM
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9. "I" have determined that you are a security threat
One person's opinion, and it becomes the official policy of the U.S. government. No appeal. No right to due process. No alternative. Yeah, getting out seems like the best choice here.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:48 AM
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10. In Other Words: If We Don't Like You, We'll Just Call You a Security Threat
Who here didn't see this one coming?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:48 AM
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11. GS-1 flunkie + Threat assessment software
Flunky inserts applicant data into software which generates a threat assessment. It require no intellectual input from the operator. They would be better off hiring a shaman to throw bones or cut open a chicken and divine the intestines.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:21 AM
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12. I bet that German oceanography student was reporting directly to the Kaiser!
:scared:

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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 09:49 AM
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14. A German grad student poses a security threat but a Middle Eastern company owning the ports doesn't
Go figure...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:47 AM
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19. ka-BAM!
spot-on.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:13 AM
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16. unless you are a registered Republican who has signed a loyalty oath--then you are a potential
threat -- politics is everything to these kooks


either for'em or again'em mentality
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:28 AM
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17. I've had enough of this
I want my country back. :cry:

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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:44 AM
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18. If they aren't now, treatment like this sure might change things..
We sure know how to create enemies.. Republicans are quite good at that..
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:13 PM
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20. Are German government institutes giving US grad students $65,000 per year grants?
Yeah, the letter sounds like some egomaniacal bureaucrat run amuck, with its "I" have determined language - and there are many valid criticisms of the damage such kind of bureaucratic actions do to US standing with other countries/individuals.

However, this story raises another issue. I wonder if the National Science Foundation should be funding lavish research grants ($65,000 per year) for foreign graduate students with our taxes.

"Mr. von Appen, 23, one of at least four oceanography students at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who received identical letters, said he was stunned by its language.

“I was pretty much speechless and quite intimidated,” said Mr. von Appen, whose research is supported by a $65,000-a-year grant from the National Science Foundation.

If there's a quid pro quo within the scientific/academic community, whereby other countries are funding US students at a similar level and at similarly prestigious universities as MIT, fine.
But the excuse I have heard made at schools like Carnegie-Mellon, is that "well, we can't find US students who are interested in our doctoral programs." To me that is eerily similar to the old, "Well, we'd love to hire/promote minorities/women if we could find any qualified ones."
Once a school gives tenure to a foreign professor (who may well be quite brilliant, I admit), that professor wants to bring over more of his/her countrymen/women. Given the dumbing down of the American student body, most lately increased by the No Child Left Behind fiasco - I'd like to see a lot more effort going into increasing the number of US students among the graduate student body.


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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:18 PM
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22. and he gets maybe $8,000 from it...
the grants cover the cost of the research, equipment must be purchased, ships must be rented. Costs are paid. Get a clue.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 04:49 PM
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21. I wonder if they have a list of all us lefty blogger types too?
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