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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:14 PM
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Sebelius vetoes bill requiring voters to show photo ID
Source: KC Star

By JIM SULLINGER
The Star’s Topeka correspondent
TOPEKA | A bill requiring Kansas voters to show photo identification in 2010 elections was vetoed today by Gov. Kathleen Sebelius.

The measure — HB 2019 — was similar to a measure she threatened to veto during last year’s legislative session. Last year’s measure failed, but this year’s version passed through the efforts of the Republican majorities in the House and Senate. Sebelius is a Democrat.

In her veto message, the governor said the bill created a roadblock that prevents citizens from voting.

“Additionally, no elected official should support enacting new laws discouraging or disenfranchising any American who has been legally voting for years,” she wrote.

During debate, the bill’s advocates said the measure would help prevent voter fraud. The governor said Kansas already has secure, fair elections.

“HB 2019 seeks to solve a problem of voter fraud which does not exist in our state due to the tireless efforts of our local election officials,” the governor added.

more . . .

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/626218.html
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:17 PM
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1. Voice of sanity and reason.
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:17 PM
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2. Good for her
The more I hear about her, the more i like her.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:18 PM
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3. I love this lady
If only other governors had the same sense she does.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. You can't have her!
:)

We really love her and are so proud to have her as governor in a red state hell state.
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1trackmindGOP Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. Please...wouldn't you just love
Seeing her as the VP of the United States of America? She and Obama are great matches and could do a great deal to help the whole country :)
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:10 PM
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19. No we need her here
Remember this is crazy creationist central.

Besides, he needs a VP with foreign policy experience. She doesn't have that.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #15
57. No thanks
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:35 PM
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71. whats wrong with that?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. PLease Google "Bilderberg"
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. I'm aware of what it is
And theres nothing about that would make me discount her as a politician.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #75
82. Ignorance is bliss
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #82
97. Enlighten me?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #57
84. Yes that is a concern
But anyone who is anyone in the political world nowadays is a Bilderberger. Good luck finding a candidate who is not. :)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:35 PM
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106. And it just rolls right off the tongue...
"Obama/Sebilius '08"

Way better than the impending "McCain/Clinton" ticket. :silly:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #8
107. She's a smart and comely woman...
I'm impressed so far.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #107
112. "comely" ?? (as bugs used to say: "what's up, doc?" ) (lol) n/t
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:59 AM
Response to Reply #112
115. Yep.
come·ly (kml)
adj. come·li·er, come·li·est
1. Pleasing and wholesome in appearance; attractive. See Synonyms at beautiful.
2. Suitable; seemly: comely behavior.
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:19 PM
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4. When was the last time
you heard of a bad bill being vetoed?
Been awhile!

She's a hero!

Wat
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:19 PM
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5. I figured she would
but am mighty relieved to hear this. Thanks.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:30 PM
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9. MO went to the last minute on Friday
It was the last day of their session and they crammed through 50 or 60 bills. We were at Truman Days in Independence and kept checking to see if they adjourned without a voter ID bill. When they finally did, we cheered so loud I'll bet they heard us in Topeka! LOL
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:22 PM
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6. Good. nt
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:27 PM
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7. Why no voter ID?
I'm confused on this issue. I don't see the problem with presenting an ID to vote, so as to prevent fraud. What is the problem?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. It's a solution for a problem that doesn't exist
and it disenfranchises voters without IDs. Yes, lots of people have no ID. My own mother was one of them.

It is also a poll tax, since the documents required to get the ID cost money. The only reason the SC approved Indiana's law is they are issuing the IDs for free.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:38 PM
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23. Good, I didn't know Indiana gave it for free
I thought it was the overwhelmingly Republican political scene of that dark red state. I hope the Dems are making sure everyone gets an ID.

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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #10
30. Problem that doesn't exist.
Without a means to validate voters, I'm not sure you'd ever even notice you had a problem.

I agree the IDs should be free though.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. Sure you would notice
If someone tried to vote using my name, I would notice. So would you I bet.

I live in a bistate area. You would think if voter fraud was indeed a problem, we would have cases here, yet I can't recall any. There have been welfare and food stamp fraud cases, where families get benefits in both states. But not once has there been a case of voter fraud. It's really not a problem.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #30
56. I have worked the polls for
more than 20 years as a Presiding Judge and have NEVER seen a case of voter fraud at the polls. I am sure somewhere someone has tried that but IMO its near impossible to throw an election in that way. The more likely place would be in the back room where the counting takes place, out of the eye of the public or though corrupted software on electronic machines..
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. you show an id to register. you are identified at the polls by
your signature. good enough for master card, good enough for me.
the people who write, vote for and pass these laws know exactly who will be denied the right to vote. democrats. old, poor, sick, disabled, just the kind of people who vote democratic.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #11
29. so the rate of credit card fraud is acceptable in voting? /nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #29
37. What voter fraud?
Please post a link showing evidence of voter fraud.

Good luck. We already did this research for my state and found ZERO cases.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. Take That!


http://www.knbc.com/print/10190012/detail.html

>>"Rackauckas said many of the people caught up in the prosecution are transients."<<

People should have I.D. to vote.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #43
48. Ahem, that's registration fraud
I asked for voter fraud.

You do understand the difference I hope?

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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. The headline says "Voter Fraud" Dude!
Check again and read the article again.

False registration leads to Voter Fraud! :think:

Don't twist I won't buy it thanks!

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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #54
62. Do you seriously think
Edited on Mon May-19-08 04:09 PM by vpilot
that 12 people can throw an election by switching someones Party affiliation?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #54
77. Just because the headline says it doesn't mean it is so.
Don't you know that the media gets their information wrong about a lot of stuff? And they always keep their headlines short and will avoid key words.

Until a person votes they are not a voter.

Until a person is registered to vote they can't vote.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #54
85. Read the article, Dude
It's registration fraud. Even the media gets the terms all mixed up.

Here's a primer for you:

Election Fraud: tampering with the counting and/or casting of the votes

Voter Fraud: using someone else's identity to vote or voting more than once

Registration Fraud: falsifying voter registration info or changing voter info, such as party affiliation

That article describes a textbook example of registration fraud.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #43
69. thus proving that claims of voter fraud
are not usually voter fraud, but election fraud. photo id would not stop this.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #69
86. Bingo!!
We have a winner ladies and gentlemen.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #86
100. thank you. you know, it could only be a good thing if
being a judge of elections was like jury duty. a civil responsibility that everyone who is able should be called upon to do at least once. especially anyone who thinks they have a better idea how to do it.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #43
76. There should be a verification process for voter registration.
After that one's signature at the poll should suffice.

In Wisconsin where they have same day voter registration they require 2 forms of documentation that shows their current residence. And it has to be not older than 90 days.

If they have the election workers at the polls trained properly they should be able to determine if there is a possible for voter fraud.

They don't require photo ID in Indiana for senior citizens if the traveling election board visits the voter at their residence. Or if the senior citizen lives at the voting site if located in a nursing home. But other senior citizens that are driven to a voting site need it? How many senior citizens are likely to vote illegally and intentionally?

By the way, ID wasn't require in the 1700 or 1800's. Why should it be required now?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #76
103. We have advanced voting in Kansas
It's awesome. You can get your ballot in the mail and you can mail it back or you can go to the election office to vote up to 3 weeks before the election.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #103
110. We have early voting too. We have a period of 29 days before the election...
until noon on the Monday before.

Either by mail or go to the Election Board to vote during regular hours during the week or the last two Saturdays before the election.

We try to encourage those that normally would request a ride to vote absentee if possible.
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:46 AM
Response to Reply #37
120. amazing how people don't find what they don't want to
http://rangevoting.org/PresFraud.html

First off: I didn't claim any particular or even general epidemic of fraud.
A poster said his signature was good enough protection against fraud for credit cards, implying that it should be good enough protection against fraud for elections.
The logical conclusion is that they feel the rate of fraud for credit cards (very high) is also acceptable for elections.
I asked if they felt that way.

Second: If you think there is no electoral fraud in your state, or the US, you are incredibly naive.
Election fraud is endemic to democratic systems.
It has always existed and always will.

Look up election fraud in early Greece for early examples and election fraud in Texas or Chicago for recent examples.
We can do our best to minimize it but it will never go away.... just like terrorism or murder.
Thinking it can be entirely eliminated is fantasy land stuff.

Sorry, you get to look stuff up yourself... your education isn't my job.

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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #29
42. What's the rate of credit card fraud? n/t
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macracan Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #29
60. The rate of fraud in voting is not acceptable for credit cards.
Remember FL in 2000? Remember OH in 2004? That much fraud, CC would go bankrupt.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #60
64. that was not voter fraud. that was election fraud.
photo id would not have changed anything.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #60
78. Election fraud is no where near CC fraud.
The election fraud that did happen in Ohio and Florida was not by the voters but by the state election officials.
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #11
31. But does anyone validate the signatures?
you show an id to register. you are identified at the polls by your signature. good enough for master card, good enough for me.

Does anyone validate the signature to make sure you aren't signing someone else's name? What prevents people from voting under someone else's name?

the people who write, vote for and pass these laws know exactly who will be denied the right to vote. democrats. old, poor, sick, disabled, just the kind of people who vote democratic.

I just don't see how it is a big deal for most people, even the old, poor, sick, or disabled, to acquire an official ID of some sort.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #31
47. And I agree with you completely.
And it's not that hard.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #31
55. Don't you think that if people were going around voting using someone else's name
we would hear about it? I mean, if it happened to you, wouldn't you file a complaint?

And yes, it is a very big deal for many elderly, poor and disabled to get an ID. My mother didn't have one. Many in her generation were born at home and were never issued birth certificates. They were allowed to get drivers licenses and register to vote without a birth certificate. Now that they are elderly, getting a birth certificate is impossible for many. My mother tried for years and couldn't get one.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #31
63. validate signatures- yes. they are called judges of election
signatures are matched to those recorded at registration. if they don't match, the judge is free to ask for more id.

as far as how big of a deal it is, i'm guessing you have never been old, poor, sick, or disabled. if you have no car, and you don't live where there is public transit, it can be a big deal to go get that id. in some places getting that id means going to a county office that can be 50+ miles away. in lots of places, getting that id means taking the better part of a day to wade through the dmv nether world. can you afford that? lots of people can't.

and even if the id itself is free, you often need to get underlying documents, like birth certificates, that are not.

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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #63
118. So tough.
as far as how big of a deal it is, i'm guessing you have never been old, poor, sick, or disabled. if you have no car, and you don't live where there is public transit, it can be a big deal to go get that id. in some places getting that id means going to a county office that can be 50+ miles away. in lots of places, getting that id means taking the better part of a day to wade through the dmv nether world. can you afford that? lots of people can't.

If someone over the course of a couple of years can't manage to somehow get a voter ID card I'd say they probably aren't motivated enough to vote anyway. If you can get yourself registered to vote, you can get yourself a voter ID card.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #31
79. Either you don't vote and therefore don't know the answer to that
or you don't pay attention when you go to vote and the election workers compare your signature with the one on file.
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #79
117. I must not pay attention.
Either you don't vote and therefore don't know the answer to that or you don't pay attention when you go to vote and the election workers compare your signature with the one on file.

Oh I vote, I just don't remember ever signing anything when I voted. I remember them looking at my voter registration card, and matching it with a name on their list of registered voters, but that's all I remember about it. I don't remember signing anything, just presenting my ID.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #31
80. Does anyone validate the identity of the person who submitted an absentee ballot?
Yes, by comparing the signature to that on the voter registration card. In every state where I've voted in person I have been required to sign a register asserting that I am the eligible voter on the list. That's the same as the procedure for an absentee ballot. Where I live now (CA) at least 40% of the votes in major elections are cast by absentee ballot. If voter fraud at the polls is such a big deal, wouldn't it be prudent also to stop absentee voting altogether?

Polling place ID schemes are Republican ideas.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #31
105. I take it you are not old, poor, sick, or disabled
Regarding your first question "Does anyone validate the signature to make sure you aren't signing someone else's name?" it appears that you have not voted in a while. Can you describe for me the process you went through the last time you voted?
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #105
119. The process last time I voted.
As I recall, I presented my voter registration card, and they checked my name off of a list, and then I voted.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #11
74. I don't have to show my ID when making a purchase with VISA
just like you don't with Master Card. All that is necessary is the signature being on the back of the card.

And I feel secure knowing that someone isn't using my VISA. There has been once or twice that VISA called or attempted to call me questioning whether I was the one making the purchase.

Which would people consider more of a concern? I bet most would say their credit card vs voting. Makes one wonder why people would consider voting needing more security than credit cards.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. Has there been in the last fifty years...
Has there been in the last fifty years a problem with fraudulent voting-- a problem beyond being merely anecdotal or aberrational?

So let's look at this one more time shall we? If a solution is proposed to a problem that doesn't exist, one should ask themselves, "what is the true agenda of said solution?"
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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #17
32. How would we know?
Has there been in the last fifty years a problem with fraudulent voting-- a problem beyond being merely anecdotal or aberrational?

How would we know with no effort made to validate voters?

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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. Suits against those who fraudulently voted?
"How would we know with no effort made to validate voters?"
By counting cases against those who fraudulently voted?

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Or criminal charges
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. They are validated when they register
Then when they vote, they give their name and vote. In all the years I have voted (over 30 years now) I have never once had anyone else go to my polling place and say they are me and vote in my name. Not once. I don't know anyone that has happened to. Has it ever happened to you or anyone you know?

That is how we would know. But the likelihood of someone stealing your name to vote is less than the likelihood you will be struck by lightening. In other words, it's not a problem.

But voter ID IS a way for Republicans to gain as much as 3% of the vote. They are playing games here - big time. Don't fall for it. :)
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #35
81. And if someone did vote using your name you would know immediately
when you went to vote or if someone attempted to vote after you voted.

People just don't get it! Do they?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #81
83. No they don't get it
And it is beyond frustrating to hear from Democrats who don't get it.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #83
96. THe problem is they see it from their perspective without putting themselves...
in the shoes of those that are affected.

And not realizing there isn't a problem.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #96
102. Empathy
My dad used to say it is one of the most important things in life - being able to put yourself in someone else's shoes.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:06 PM
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39. that's not an argument
How could I know if someone is planning to drive a car through my front window tomorrow? Not knowing that doesn't mean that I should then build a defensive wall that a car can't break through because it might happen. This is faulty logic.
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bad_robbie Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:06 PM
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61. How would we know?

"How?" For one thing, if you showed up on election day and signed in and the election judge or clerk said: "You've already voted!" They did that even in pen-and-paper days -- when you voted the checked you off or crossed out your name on the list of registered voters at that polling place. That's why you had to register to vote and then vote in your designated polling place, where the list was with your name on it. If one were trying to influence an election by voting as someone else, then that person would have to hope that the real "John Doe" didn't turn up that day too. And voting precincts are pretty small, at least here in Kansas -- which is the subject of this discussion -- so a nefarious vote-frauder would also have to hope that no one at the polling place would recognize "John Doe". When I vote in person, I stand a good chance of meeting a neighbor working the polls.


It would be OK with me if we required state ID for voting. Then we could get rid of voter-registration altogether, and just allow everyone who had a state ID card (marked "citizen", I suppose) to vote. We would eliminate the registration process, and just assume when issuing IDs that everyone getting one is interested in voting. That way we aren't just adding an extra step to the process of getting ready to be all prepared to be set up to vote.


Something, possibly this very sentence, tells me that that plan would not be acceptable to the "verified voting" crowd. Because I suspect that many people who support "verified voting" do so in order to disenfranchise their opponents, and not to secure the integrity of the voting system.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #61
68. it's called motor voter.
we already automatically register people if they so choose when they get their drivers license or state id. but that has no back up measures, which voter registration does.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #32
66. judges of election
addresses and signatures are matched by the judges.
also the mail canvass. the boe sends out a piece of mail, and if the postal service does not find that voter receiving mail at that address, it is returned. that voter will then have to show an id when they vote. if they do not show up to vote, they are removed from the roles.
no effort? perhaps you should make an effort to find out what the hell you are talking about.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #32
89. Interestingly enough, the Republicans have given us
an example of how minor a problem voter fraud is.

Crooks and Liars has a great article up on it now at http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/19/tx-ags-2-year-14-mil-voter-fraud-witch-hunt-nets-8-actual-cases-ignores-republicans/

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott’s two year, $1.4 million dollar investigation into what he claims is “an epidemic of voter fraud in Texas” to justify his support for voter ID laws, resulted in just 26 cases. It will come as no surprise to anyone who has been following C&L’s ongoing coverage of this issue that all of the cases were “against Democrats, and almost all involving blacks or Hispanics.” What’s more, of the 26, only 8 were actually cases of fraud. “In 18 of the 26 cases, the voters were eligible, votes were properly cast and no vote was changed – but the people who collected the ballots for mailing were prosecuted,” yet Abbott refused to investigate a serious case of apparent ballot-box stuffing of “more than 100 ballots – potentially more than in all of Mr. Abbott’s other vote-fraud prosecutions combined” - “in Highland Park, one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the country with hundreds of million-dollar homes and where both George W. Bush and Dick Cheney once lived.“

In more than 2/3 of the cases in Greg Abbott’s epidemic, he actually charged volunteers who merely helped elderly and disabled people to be able to vote because they didn’t add their name to the envelope to show that they carried the sealed envelope to a mailbox for them - a crime Abbott saw fit to spend an average of more than $53,000 each to pursue of a Federal Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Grant that is supposed to go to enforce state and local laws with an “emphasis on violent crime and serious offenders.” Serious indeed.

Therein lies the rub. When you’ve got a crackpot uber-zealous AG going around training TX officials to spot voter fraud by way of a 71-slide powerpoint that included only pictures of minorities to look for clues on mailed-in ballots like “Unique Stamps” such as “the ‘sickle cell stamp,’ which depicts an African-American woman and infant,” why would any volunteer dare to put their name on an envelope if all they did was take it to a mailbox for someone? I sure wouldn’t, especially if I had an ethnic-sounding name. Would you? Abbott’s highly publicized “Special Investigations Unit” into voter fraud even went so far as to actually peer in at least one suspected anonymous ballot mailer’s bathroom window while they were taking a bath. His prosecutions persecutions have so struck fear that now the Dallas Democratic Party has actually suspended its “field program that once sent volunteers to voters’ homes to help them fill out ballot applications so they could vote by mail.” No doubt that put a smile on Abbott’s face.

As someone who has personally worked field and helped to deliver thousands of already filled out and sealed ballots to our county clerks’ offices (which, thankfully, unlike TX, is still legal in my state without having to put our name on every envelope unless we actually helped someone, usually disabled, fill their ballot out), I know first hand the drastic effect this can have on elections. Once a witch-hunt like this scares people from engaging in grass-roots GOTV field operations, it will result in keeping thousands of people (read: Democrats) from voting who otherwise would have, and that is exactly the intended purpose:

“Texas is trending majority-minority. And the Republicans haven’t figured out how to talk to minorities. So instead of figuring out how to talk to them on an issue basis, they have embarked on a plan to shave two or three percentage points off the electorate, and that’s how they stay in power.”


A Republican zealot with $1.4 million dollars and two years can only come up with 26 cases, 18 of which were bogus ones targeting volunteers assisting the elderly and disabled to vote. Don't you think if there were the slightest chance that this is a genuine problem, they would have found more.

As this article notes, it's really about voter suppression, particularly of minorities, the elderly and, I would add, of college students. By the way, when you go to Crooks & Liars website, there are links within the article to the original news articles, such as the one that details the Powerpoint. I mean, how blatant can you get about the discrimination at the root of this?

I applaud Governor Sebelius for her informed stance on this issue and her action today.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #89
94. Wow
One more great source for my growing file.

Thanks muchly!! :applause:
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #94
113. Be sure to go to the article
and click the links. They all, of course, became inactive when I posted.

C&L is doing a great job of compiling these articles, some of which (like the vote caging by the Kansas GOP Chair) I'm sure you already know and some, like the one above that I hadn't heard of until today either.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #17
49. Yes there has
see my post #46.

And this fraud was committed by Republicans.

If they're doing it there where else are they doing it???

Wake up People! :think:

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #49
70. see my reply to your post.
you people in this thread are proving the point, if you ask me, that photo id is a solution to a non-existent problem.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:36 PM
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22. The problem is in making sure everyone has one for free
then it would be no problem. But in most states, the Republicans want to disenfranchise poor people who don't drive, the elderly, young people, and anyone who can't afford the documents and fees to get the ID.

Many Democrats don't have the ID. If you are supporting the IDs then you damn well better give it for free and make sure everyone gets one.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. They also need to make allowances for people who can't get IDs
My mother was one. She had no birth certificate.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:43 PM
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24. The Truth About Voter Fraud
PDF Warning: http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/pdf/TruthAboutVoterFraud.pdf

IV. Voter Fraud And The Press For Photo Id

The most common example of the harm wrought by imprecise and inflated claims of “voter fraud” is the call for in-person photo identification requirements. Such photo ID laws are effective only in preventing individuals from impersonating other voters at the polls — an occurrence more rare than getting struck bylightning.

By throwing all sorts of election anomalies under the “voter fraud” umbrella, however, advocates for such laws artificially inflate the apparent need for these restrictions and undermine the urgency of other reforms. Moreover, as with all restrictions on voters, photo identification requirements have a predictable detrimental impact on eligible citizens. Such laws are only potentially worthwhile if they clearly prevent more problems than they create. If policymakers distinguished real voter fraud from the more common election irregularities erroneously labeled as voter fraud, it would become apparent that the limited benefits of laws like photo ID require ments are simply not worth the cost.

Royal Masset, the former political director for the Republican Party of Texas, concisely tied all of these strands together in a 2007 Houston Chronicle article concerning a highly controversial battle over photo identification legislation in Texas. Masset connected the inflated furor over voter fraud to photo identification laws and their expected impact on legitimate voters:

Among Republicans it is an “article of religious faith that voter fraud is causing us to lose elections,” Masset said. He doesn’t agree with that, but does believe that requiring photo IDs could cause enough of a dropoff in legitimate Democratic voting to add 3 percent to the Republican vote.


This remarkably candid observation underscores why it is so critical to get the facts straight on voter fraud. The voter fraud phantom drives policy that disenfranchises actual legitimate voters, without a corresponding actual benefit. Virtuous public policy should stand on more reliable supports.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. You need to start a thread with this
Edited on Mon May-19-08 01:51 PM by proud2Blib
What a great resource! Thanks so much.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #24
50. Waht proud2blib said. That's a great resource; please start a thread in GD with it. nt
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #7
38. it's illegal and forbidden in the constitution - that's the problem
All of these IDs are things that people have to pay for - a state ID isn't free and self generating. Having an ID requirement to vote when the voter wouldn't otherwise have an ID is an illegal poll tax.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:47 PM
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12. Great news! There are still pockets of sanity in government.
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dubyaD40web Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:56 PM
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13. Harrrrrrumph Gov!
(my governor)
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1trackmindGOP Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:00 PM
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14. She would make a great VP
She is definitely on my short list of hopefuls.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:05 PM
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16. She keeps getting better and better as a possible VP choice n/t
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:09 PM
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18. w00t
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:14 PM
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20. PA does not have the ID law, but check this LTTE from the Post-Gazette
about a person trying get a state issued ID. (It's the last letter in the group)
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08139/882597-110.stm
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. That post needs to be a Thread unto itself.
Lots of people STILL don't get why this Voter ID stuff is a bad bad thing.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #20
27. YES!! Great LTTE
Now I know what a hassle it is to get state-issued ID
I wondered why people objected to the possibility of a requirement for a photo ID for voting, since I read that one can get a state-issued ID card that is supposed to be the equivalent of a driver's license for identification ("Supreme Court Upholds Photo ID for Voters," April 29). Now I know.

Due to deteriorating eyesight, I did not renew my driver's license, so I decided to apply for a state ID. I got a ride to the driver's license office and took my birth certificate, my passport and my voter registration card. That was not enough. The woman wanted my marriage license, my original Social Security card and my mortgage papers. I didn't need all that to get a passport.

I can't find my Social Security card, and I didn't need it to get my Social Security pension. My mortgage is paid off, and I finally cleaned out my file cabinets a while ago, so I don't have any mortgage papers.

The woman did give me driving directions to the Social Security office to apply for a duplicate Social Security card, but since I don't drive anymore, that wasn't much help.

CECILE CHI
Mt. Lebanon
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:09 PM
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28. Wow, someone with a little common sense!
Good for her!
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:09 PM
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40. wow.... Democratic leadership...
... maybe it will catch on with other elected officials in the party....

wishful thinking, I know...
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:13 PM
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41. Thank you Gov. Kathleen Sebelius!
:yourock: :loveya:

:bounce:


Sonia
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:23 PM
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44. Hurrah for Kathleen.
Hey, Kansas has something that California and Texas don't: a Democratic governor. And what a difference that can make.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:23 PM
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45. k*r God Bless Her!!!!!
A Democrat with integrity, guts, courage, and one who is intellectually honest.

Can't say enough good things about her.

Polite Fascism Contracts the Right to Vote
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:25 PM
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46. Bad Deal.
Republicans have used the no I.D. deal to commit Voter Fraud. They know how to do it:

http://www.knbc.com/print/10190012/detail.html

>>"Rackauckas said many of the people caught up in the prosecution are transients."<<

Well we all know what "Transient" can encompass ;) but it means no I.D.

People just need to get their frickin' I.D. It's not that damn difficult and if it is maybe you should not be voting (hint hint):think:

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #46
87. You really need to read through this thread and see the good information posted
All people can't just go out and get their frickin ID. It is indeed that difficult.

If you had to get an ID tomorrow, would you be able to get together your birth certificate, mortgage papers, marriage license and passport? I know I couldn't. I have been married 33 years and I have no idea where my marriage license is. Can't remember looking at it once the ceremony was over. My house is paid for so I have no idea where my mortgage papers are. I have a deed or title (can't remember which) and it is in our family's lockbox - to get it I have to call my sister and make an appointment to get into the box at our attorney's office (or maybe it's the bank, I don't even know). And I don't have a passport. It's one of those things I keep saying I am going to do but never get around to. The only document I think I have around here somewhere is my birth certificate. But then again, I haven't had a reason to use it for decades; it would probably be easier to just go get a new one.

So no it isn't all that easy. It's also pretty expensive.

As for your last comment about people who shouldn't be voting, that is just beyond repulsive and brings back memories of the south before civil rights legislation when they thought black people weren't smart enough to vote.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:33 PM
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51. I'm glad this was vetoed..
even though it is not the politically "right" move to make. Kansas charges a fee to obtain an official state license, and this law did nothing to correct that, so this law would truly have instituted a poll tax. I have lost my Driver's license before, and the process it took to get a new one was ridiculous. In KS, you need 2 forms of government photo ID, or 2 forms of other-photo ID and another form of ID (utility bill, birth certificate-- they will not take photocopied birth certificates). I have never heard of a single case of voter fraud in this state, and I suspect it was offered up by legislators in the western part of the state. There are many hispanics in Dodge and Garden Cities, and they are not all that welcome here, if you know what I mean. Anyway, kudos to Kathleen, may she be our next US senator from KS (assuming Brownback does not seek reelection in 2010 in order to run for governor).
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:34 PM
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52. Excellent news. Now, imagine the Wingnut Talking Points!
You just know what this means, in terms of forthcoming lies about Dems
working to steal elections by importing illegal aliens to cast votes, etc. LOL
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:35 PM
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53. Bra-effing-VA! Thank you, President Sebelius (oops, got ahead of things a little!) nt
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DelScorchoSr Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:00 PM
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58. One addtional "roadblock that prevents citizens from voting"
In her veto message, the governor said the bill created a roadblock that prevents citizens from voting.

===================

the pesky voter registration... when will that unfair practice end????
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #58
88. Do you disagree that it is a roadblock?
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DelScorchoSr Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #88
93. Voter ID = Voter Registration
Voter ID is no more a roadblock than voter registration.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. But we are already registered
So that's a non existent roadblock.

Voter ID is a roadblock, though, for my voters like my mother, who voted in Kansas beginning in 1946, but had no ID and no birth certificate.

The sec of state in MO estimated that at least 250,000 voters in MO would be unable to vote if voter ID became law. I don't like the idea of disenfranchising a quarter of a million voters. Do you?
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DelScorchoSr Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #95
98. Not everyone is registered
and not every registration is current.

I should not have to re-register if I move... what if I have no ID or birth certificate, how do I register or re-register?

How do the homeless register or re-register?

Registration needs to end.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #98
101. Proof of address is all you should need to vote
The homeless can use a shelter for their address.
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DelScorchoSr Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #101
116. Proof of address is all you should need to vote
What if they live on the street or don't get mail at the shelter... what proof do they have???
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:01 PM
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59. Any reason she shouldn't be Obama's VP choice?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:15 PM
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67. He needs someone with national security credentials.
His own "Cheney" so-to-speak. Of course that can backfire. In 1988, Dukakis' "Cheney" looked so good, it made Dukakis look like a lightweight in comparison and that was after 10 years as governor.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:25 PM
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92. Agreed
She really isn't the best candidate. She's a rising star in the Democratic party but not VP material.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:13 PM
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65. Whoa, sanity breaks out in the Midwest.
Reminds me of the Help America Vote Republican Act. We have our own version in Ohio. I call it the Stop Black People from Voting Act, because that is to a large degree its effect in Ohio's "big" cities.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:58 PM
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72. That's State's Rights for you.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:23 PM
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90. this was great to see today
a voice of reason with some power behind it. i am seriously SICK of the republicans' skanky, discrimatory ways of trying to own elections they can't win fair and square. so sick of it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:24 PM
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91. Here in Kansas we are sick to death of our Republicans
They made us the laughing stock of the country over their creationist bullshit.

They admitted caging voters for the 2008 elections.

The former state AG, who is a hero in the anti-abortion movement, is now my county DA and all he does is go after Planned Parenthood. To hell with real crime.

The head of the state GOP is a racist lawyer whose only issue is immigration. Lou Dobbs loves him and has him on his show regularly. He keeps running for office and losing so they finally made him head of the party.

And now this voter ID crap.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:51 PM
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99. Very Good News. nt
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:13 PM
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104. Kudos to her!
The voter ID laws are a sham intended only to disenfranchise minorities and the elderly. Election fraud starts at the top, not with the voters.

Here's to you, Governor!

:patriot:
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newburgh Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:38 PM
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108. If you want to know the background of "voter fraud" just go to Bradblog.com
There's so much in this thread of discussions that isn't necessary. Brad has documented this whole issue more than you could ever want to know.

Congrats to Kansas for having a rare informed Democrat who's willing to take action! The rest of the wusses in the party who've failed to learn anything from 2000 are the reason McWhatsisname may just "win".
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:41 PM
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109. Way to go, Madam Vice President!
Hopefully!
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 12:25 AM
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111. I'm surprised the Republicans stopped at just a photo ID
Frankly, I'm expecting them to order all Americans to wear a mark on the forehead soon.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:00 AM
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114. Great. The current assault on voting rights and acquiesce by the high court
are a threat to the people having any pretense of a voice. Sebelius did well.
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