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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:40 PM
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McCain: I will prevent Bolivia and Venezuela from taking the Cuban road
Source: El Universal - opposition newspaper

Caracas, Tuesday May 20 , 2008

McCain: I will prevent Bolivia and Venezuela from taking the Cuban road

Republican Senator John McCain, speaking before a noisy crowd in Miami on Cuban Independence Day, on Tuesday pledged to keep the embargo against the Caribbean island, prevent Bolivia and Venezuela from taking the same road taken by Cuba, and strengthen ties with Brazil, Chile and Peru, if he is elected as US president.

McCain criticized his Democrat rival, Senator Barack Obama, for saying that he is willing to sit down with Cuban President Raúl Castro, reported AP.

"If I am elected president (…) We will work to prevent Venezuela and Bolivia from taking the same road to failure Castro has paved for Cuba, and we will broaden and strengthen ties with key states like Brazil, Peru, and Chile," McCain said.

Likewise, McCain criticized Obama for opposing to a free trade agreement with Colombia.

"Colombia is a beacon of hope in a region where the Castro brothers, Hugo Chávez, and others are actively seeking to thwart economic progress and democracy," McCain added.



Read more: http://english.eluniversal.com/2008/05/20/en_pol_art_mccain:-i-will-preve_20A1593679.shtml
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:43 PM
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1. "Colombia is a beacon of hope..."
Oh, jeez! :banghead:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:45 PM
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6. Did he mention that he misses Pinochet?
:nuke:
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:12 PM
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13. Colombia has a beacon of hope to overcome decades of civil
war. I wouldn't say countries aspire to be like Colombia is today.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:29 PM
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21. yeah, that makes me wonder:
does he know that he's lying, or is he just completely fucking insane?
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:45 AM
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30. McCain has the tendency to speak in the Orwellian tongue
I realized this when he was in Florida, talking about how some of us "are more equal than others". That's a direct quote, and it's right out of "Animal Farm"!

The only way he can hope to win is thru large-scale electronic fraud in the voting machines, and even that would be a little tricky for him to pull off. He'll need the Supreme Court to "select" him.

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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:15 AM
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36. oh, man, did he really say that?!?!
I've got to see a video of that, or see that quote in print somewhere - that's solid fucking gold! I think that most of the voting population is familiar with animal farm... damn... at what point did we flip from reality to this fucked up surrealist state?
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:16 PM
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48. spoken by McCain earlier this year
I believe he said it, "some people are more equal than others", when he was visiting Sun City, near St. Petersburg, Florida, speaking at a veterans retirement center, I believe. I caught it unexpectedly, overhearing it on a local Central Florida cable TV station that aired it. He was making the statement as a compliment to Sen. Mel Martinez, the Cuban-American Senator in Florida. Didn't seem like a lot of press generated to make a big deal of it back then, I suppose it was quickly forgotten, but I definitely heard McCain say that there.

It's possible McCain has never read George Orwell, and he didn't realize the awkwardness of using the words. He's making Raygun look like a brillant genius in comparison. Which is pretty hard to do.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:19 PM
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49. He has to be absolutely as stupid as Bush. n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:24 AM
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41. Colombia is a beacon of hope if...
...you are seeking employment on a Right Wing Death Squad, especially if you hate LABOR.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:43 PM
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2. I just hope he doesn't want to talk to them. Talking is bad. Talking equals appeasement.
No talking, dammit!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:57 PM
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11. You know McCain. Wait a few minutes and he'll do it
He's king of the bait n' switch.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:44 PM
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3. Skink to Mccain as if.,,
:beer:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:44 PM
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4. Somebody better tell Gramps that the Commies went down in 1989
Lord almighty he is dumb
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:49 PM
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23. The poor guy apparently thinks there's a road to Cuba from South America.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:45 PM
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5. Sooooooooo...what is he going to do "Preemptive Strike"
those independent nations. So close to the US border.....he is insane.....

And I may not support Cuba and some of their policies but all of their children are in school and they all have healthcare. It may not be what Americans want but those countries can do what the want.

Go ahead and Vote for McCain..more war 24/7.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:47 PM
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7. Isn't preventing Venezuela going Cuban like locking the barn door after the horse is gone?
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:55 PM
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10. Not the strongest analogy
Since Venezuela has democratic elections and the government abides by the vote of the people. The oligarchs aren't happy with them but the current gov't abides.
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:09 PM
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12. I simply meant they'd gone fairly far to te left
... and I suspect Castro could have beaten Bautista in a vote, if Cuba had allowed fair popular elections
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:48 PM
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8. McCain is a dumb fuck if he thinks South American countries
Edited on Tue May-20-08 09:05 PM by DinahMoeHum
will accept Milton Friedman free-market-style capitalism after the last 3 decades or so. Those governments, such as Pinochet's of Chile, have been tossed in the shitcan by their citizens.

:evilfrown:
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Andrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:52 PM
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9. More arrogance
What the f*ck is it to the US as to what the PEOPLE of these nations choose?! :mad:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:18 PM
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14. Maybe he's going to bomb the United Nations . . . GOP has had that on its agenda ... !!!
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:21 PM
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15. speaking before a noisy crowd in Miami .......stumping for votes
Doesn't he know Fidel is dead ?
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:28 PM
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16. He sounds more and more like a candidate 8th Grade Class President . . .
I'll make other nations do as I say. I'll balance the budget and get us out of Iraq by 2013. I'll generate World Peace in my spare time. And hey, no homework and free ice cream every Friday!
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uberllama42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:52 PM
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17. He snubbed Evo Morales
"the Castro brothers, Hugo Chávez, and others." Dick.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:59 PM
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18. McCain and Hillary offer nothing but more imperialist wars
Hillary said the same thing about Venezuela, allying herself with the Caracas elites at a speech to major fundraisers early last year, the "Take that Venezuela!" speech that I posted about at the time.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:02 PM
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19. atta boy, johnny....
....I bet you and bushco can't wait to get your 100 years of war going?....

"If I am elected president (…) We will work to prevent Venezuela and Bolivia from taking the same road to failure Castro has paved for Cuba, and we will broaden and strengthen ties with key states like Brazil, Peru, and Chile," McCain said."

....Cuba isn't even taking the same road Cuba took....you're an out-of-touch undemocratic fascist senile old war-monger that hasn't yet realized that the world and the American people have moved beyond cold-warriors like you and rummy....get a calendar johnny, this is 2008, not 1968....

....but not to worry, you won't be elected president this time but you can rejoin our fascist corporate shadow government and wait for your next opportunity....don't wait too long though, you not getting any younger....

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:23 PM
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20. Mc Eyewill does it again....I will do this and I will do that
No one believe the Pubs these days....apparently, McLame didn't get the message...

The GOP has LOST CREDIBILITY and RESPECT

Everything they told us for 12 years turned out crap....
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:38 PM
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22. The domino theory srikes back
Amazing anyone still falls for this.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:07 PM
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24. he wants to be "the old man down the road"
Edited on Tue May-20-08 11:08 PM by Algorem
seems to me i read back then that that's what that 1985 john fogerty song was about- uncle sam's oppression of latin america.anyway this old prick is wanting to live in the past.




He take the thunder from the mountain
He take the lightning from the sky
He bring the strong man to his bended knee
He make the young girls' mama cry

You got to hidey hide
You got to jump and run
You got to hidey hidey hide
The old man's down the road

He got the voices speaking riddles
He got the eye as black as coal
He got a suitcase covered with rattlesnake hide
And he stand right in the road

You got to hidey hide
You got to jump and run
You got to hidey hidey hide
The old man's down the road

He make the river call your lover
He make the barking of the hound
Put the shadow across the window
When the old man comes around

You got to hidey hide
You got to jump and run
You got to hidey hidey hide
The old man's down the road
The old man is down the road
The old man is down the road
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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:15 PM
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25. Let's see here...
Health care and education for all vs... Death squads gut you and let the bugs eat you alive 'cause you belong to a union?

Oh, yeah, Columbia is a beacon of hope (for rich murderers wanting to get richer) and the others are actively seeking to thwart economic progress (of those same rich murderers).

Besides, what the fuck do you propose to do to "prevent" the democratically elected governments of Venezuela and Bolivia from whatever they damn well please--bomb them back to the Stone Age?

Sounds like where McInsane belongs.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:17 PM
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26. If McCain is running for President of Bolivia or Venezuela, why is he in DC?
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:40 AM
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27. Democracy GOOD!
Unless you vote for something we don't want.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:28 AM
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28. This was a deliberate shot across the bow of the Soviet Union
Or is it the Kaiser? I'm so confused these days.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:40 AM
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29. And how is "walking corpse" McCain going to achieve that ? n/t
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:31 AM
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31. McCain for Emperor of the New Romanamerican Empire!
I hope people are sick of the US trying to rule the world when our own country is falling apart.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:40 AM
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32. Was Lieberbush there to cue him on the names of the countries? nt
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:27 AM
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33. Just what the hell business is it of ours?
Lord, are we arrogant.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:31 AM
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34. McCain basically repeat the Bush Doctrine - "we will f**k you up if you
are against us!"
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:42 AM
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35. "Colombia is a beacon of hope" ...ROTFLMAO!!!
Holy fucking hell! That's insane even for mccain!

:rofl:
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:23 AM
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37. Shut up Mc Stupid!..n/t
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:57 AM
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38. Even the Venezuelan wingnuts' paper uses the noun Democrat as an adjective.
McCain criticized his Democrat rival
I guess it's no surprise. Their stories are probably written in the Cheney wing of the CIA.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:15 AM
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39. And that flushing sound was McCain's foreign policy "expertise"
Apparently he doesn't understand that the way things are going in South America right now, we're going to be seeing a continent-wide trade and political federation in the next decade.

And how exactly is he planning to stop them from going down "the Cuba Road"? America couldn't stop Cuba from going down hte Cuba road, and we had nukes aimed at it and kept sending terrorists across the 93 miles it takes to get there.
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ToughLuck Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:25 AM
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40. Great mind you have McCain, I will talk to no one, and Freetrade will solve everything
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:41 AM
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42. But the Bolivarians have NOT gone the Cuban route--that's the whole point of everything
that has happened in South America over the last couple of decades. Democracy WON. You've got a vast poor population, impoverished by U.S. and other first world global corporate predators, in cahoots with brutal, greedy and treasonous local rich elites, and the poor--rather than arising and slitting the throats of those who have betrayed them--have methodically gone about creating democratic institutions, social movements, and grass roots organization, in order to elect leaders who represent their interests and the good of the whole society, in the most remarkable bloodless revolution that has ever occurred, anywhere, anytime.

And this has occurred in spite of every effort of the Clinton administration and the Bush Junta to prevent it--with "Plan Colombia" (heavily arming the fascist murderers, torturers and drug/weapons traffickers in Colombia), and ruinous U.S. dominated "free trade" combined with World Bank/IMF loan sharks, which literally destroyed South American economies and shredded their social programs.

McCain shows himself to be a staggeringly clueless tool of global corporate predators, when he says that "the Castro brothers, Hugo Chavez, and others actively seeking to thwart economic progress and democracy." The exact opposite has happened. The Venezuelan majority, by choosing democracy and constitutional government, has seen a startling TEN PERCENT economic growth rate in the last five years, with the most growth in the PRIVATE sector (and not including oil)! And every country in South America, with the exceptions of fascist-run Colombia, and Peru (run by corrupt "free traders"), is following the same path: democracy and SOCIAL JUSTICE, leading to PROSPERITY. The Left has swept South American elections--in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile and recently in Paraguay (of all places!), and is surging up the peninsula with leftists elected in Nicaragua (former Sandinista revolutionary leader Daniel Ortega!) and Guatemala (and next year, El Salvador--an FMLN candidate!--and probably Peru; and an almost win in Mexico a couple of years ago, where the leftists lost by a hair, 0.05%, and will be back).

Hugo Chavez may be a "friend of Fidel Castro," but Lula da Silva, president of Brazil--with whom McCain wants to "strengthen ties"--is a friend of Hugo Chavez. Regarding Chavez, Lulu recently said, "You can criticize Chavez on many things, but not on democracy." (emphasis added). He also called Chavez "the great peacemaker" (with regard to the war that the Bushites recently tried to instigate between Colombia and Ecuador/Venezuela, and also with regard to Chavez's successful efforts at getting six hostages released by Colombia's leftist guerrillas, the FARC, and trying to broker a peace in Colombia's 40+ year civil war).

What McCain doesn't seem to realize is that South America is largely UNITED on the matter of democracy and social justice, and on another critical issue--self-determination--and the Bolivarian leaders (Chavez in Venezuela, Evo Morales in Bolivia, Rafael Correa in Ecuador, and the Kirchners in Argentina) have been the SPEARHEADS of this movement, empowering ALL of South America to assert its independence from the United States, and even empowering the remaining center-right governments (mostly in Central America) on the issue of the SOVEREIGNTY of Latin American countries. In March 2006, when Bush visited Mexico, the center-right president, Felipe Calderon, publicly LECTURED Bush on the SOVEREIGNTY of Latin American countries, and mentioned VENEZUELA as an example! (--probably because of Bushite plots against the Chavez government that all Latin American leaders seemed to know about at the time, but that we--the supposed sovereign people of the U.S.--were kept in the dark about).

It is, in summary, a NEW DAY in Latin America. The revolution has ALREADY OCCURRED (while McCain and collusive Democrats were licking Bush's ass over the horrible Iraq War and the shredding of our Constitution), and the revolutionary leaders are now PRESIDENTS OF THE COUNTRY!

The Bush Junta's "divide and conquer" tactics have FAILED! And the Bushites' insane attitude toward Cuba has failed everywhere but in Miami!

And, funny thing about "the Castro brothers"--THEY have fully supported the success of democracy throughout the region, with active help to countries like Venezuela and Bolivia (free doctors for poor peoples' medical clinics, for instance, and an enormously successful literacy program), while the Bush Junta has sought to UNDERMINE and DESTROY democracy at every turn!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:54 PM
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45. I wish we could rec posts here.
:)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:03 PM
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46. Where was McCain when Bush made his tour of Latin America and people poured into the streets
in wild, uninhibited outrage to communicate to him just how popular his Presidency is in Central and South America?





Brazil turns out to see George W. Bush







Colombia!







Uruguay!





Argentina!



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(Mayan priests purified temple site after Bush visit.

Guatemala


There are so many other photos, but these definitely would assist John McCain's grasp of how popular the right-wing imperialist approach has always been in Latin America.

(Don't make me go drag out the photos of people kicking Richard M. Nixon's limousine in Caracas in 1958!)
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 08:41 PM
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53. Thanks for the fabulous photo essay, Judi Lynn! The pix say it all.
These are FREE countries, where the majority actually wins the elections, and where the people are in widespread, orderly, peaceful, democratic rebellion against rotten Bushite policy.

In Colombia, if you organize a protest, you get your head blown off by the government's paramilitary death squads. McBush's "beacon of hope" has one of the worst human rights records on the planet. It may be a "beacon of hope" to Exxon Mobil, Occidental Petroleum, Chiquita and Monsanto, and to war profiteers ($5.5 BILLION in U.S. military aid, through Bushite fingers), and also to major drugs/weapons traffickers. But it is not a "beacon of hope" to anyone else.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:53 AM
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43. Senator, when President Chávez loses an election and doesn't leave office
Edited on Wed May-21-08 11:53 AM by Jack Rabbit
. . . then we'll talk about him attempting to thwart democracy.

Meanwhile, it is the collaborators of US-sponsored coup attempts against Chávez who are attempting to thwart democracy in Venezuela.

Furthermore, Senator, if you think Colombia, with class-based civil war, paramilitary death squads and illegal drug industry, is a beacon of hope in the region, you are truly as warped as Bush and Cheney.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:59 AM
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44. paramilitary death squads and illegal drug industry
About sums it up
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:07 PM
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47. Oh, GOD, yes, Colombia is a beacon of light. Who WOULDN'T pass of dead civilians as "enemy?:
May 21, 2008
Army murders mar victories over FARC

Colombia’s army is passing off murdered civilians as guerrillas in its war on FARC, says Mike Power

Mariel Munoz was out selling food near her home in Vista Hermosa, Colombia, when a local boy ran up to her and said: "The army took Jailler and I think they killed him."

By the time Munoz (right) found her son, the soldiers had dressed his corpse in guerrilla army fatigues and planted a radio, a gun and grenade on him. Under pressure from President Alvaro Uribe to show gains in the endless fight to destroy FARC - the leftist rebel army which has been at war with the Colombian state since the 1960s - the soldiers were trying to pass off 15-year-old Jailler as a guerrilla.

There is no evidence that the boy was ever a member of FARC. "He worked by his father's side," his mother told me. "When he wasn't here, he'd tell me where he was. He was a decent boy, he didn't like drinking, he liked watching TV and playing football."

Jailler worked stripping the leaves from coca plants - an illegal but common enough job in Colombia, the world's biggest cocaine producer - or as a wood carrier. "Everyone loved Jailler," his mother said. "They killed him for supposedly being a guerrilla, but he never liked the guerrillas, or the army. They killed him because they felt like it."

Mariel Munoz's story might be treated as the outpourings of a grieving mother unable to bear the truth - if her story wasn't a common one. Last month, Amnesty International USA published a report on extra-judicial killings in Colombia, and detailed cases where peasants have been seized by the army in civilian clothes, killed and later dressed in guerrilla fatigues in a phenomenon known as 'false positives'.

Jailler died in 2006. Last year, Munoz decided to launch a legal case to question the killing. In February she had to leave her home when army officers threatened her after learning about the lawsuit. "The army came to my home. One of them said, 'What a shame that I let you escape,' And then he made a gesture like he was slitting someone's throat. I left everything dumped there, and fled with the clothes I was wearing. They didn't give me time to get anything else."

More:
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/36199,features,army-murders-mar-victories-over-farc
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:25 PM
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50. Why are him and pat robertson walking around free?
This is regans fault for getting rid of mental aslyum funding and kicking people out on the streets.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:00 PM
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51. Colombia is a beacon of dope. nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:05 PM
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52. He needs to check the senile dementia box and go home
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