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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:31 PM
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Iran mosque blast plotters admit Israeli, US links: report
Source: AFP

Iran's chief prosecutor said bombers who caused a deadly blast at a mosque in Shiraz had confessed of links to Israel and the United States, the ISNA student news agency reported on Friday.

"Those responsible for the attack against the Shiraz mosque have confessed to having links to worldwide oppression, in particular the United States and Israel," Ghorbanali Dorri-Najafabadi was quoted by the agency as saying.

They also admitted carrying out "one or two minor operations," the agency said, without providing further details except to say the group launched military operations a year ago.

The April 12 blast in the southern city left 13 people dead and more than 200 wounded. Authorities subsequently announced the arrest of 15 people.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080523/wl_mideast_afp/iranunrestusisraeltrial
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:53 PM
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1. Be interesting to know what methods of interrogation were used
Wouldn't it?
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:01 PM
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20. It doesn't matter if they were tortured.
We now claim to get good reliable information that way. So we can't take issue with them doing it. They are taking advantage of the leveled playing field. They're trying to beat us at our own game.

This is EXACTLY why we need to yank two of our game pieces. Namely Bush and Cheney who have instituted these atrocius policies.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:49 PM
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24. None needed if job was to mention Israel, raise ire, hope for war.
Yeah, we have ties to ... Israel. .. Yeah, that's the ticket. And the United States too. Yeah.

BTW are you mad enough to retaliate in a way we can show back in the US 7 PM world news?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:01 PM
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2. As much sense as this might make.. I would be highly suspect
of confessions made here...
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:47 PM
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14. Damage is already done
That's what happens when the world doesn't trust the President of your country. People hate Bush so much they'll believe anything.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:02 PM
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3. Is that how we are going to provoke Iran, by blowing up mosques?
We need to leave the world alone and FIX OUR OWN FUCKED UP COUNTRY.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:06 PM
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4. Don't assume that only our government lies.
I don't think that if you put a little bit of effort into it you won't be able to see the advantages for Iran in publicizing such a conspiracy. :eyes:

Somehow I have a hard time believing that either the US or Israel want to blow up mosques in Iran.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:13 PM
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5. I never assume ANY govt. is telling the truth.
It's not like our govt. (and Israel) don't have a history of provocation.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:14 PM
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6. Don't forget to add Arabs and Persians to that list my friend.
There are not many saints out there.
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:17 PM
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7. Of course we'll most likely will never know but
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:06 PM
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12. The "secret war" has been widely reported for a couple of years
taking a quick revisit via google - iran covert ops US. In the BBC, our MSM, all the big internet blogs...

Here is one article about the bill authorizing the most recent funding:

http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew05022008.html
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:32 PM
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33. But blowing up a mosque?
What good would that do? Shia's blowing up Shia mosques is HIGHLY unlikely to sow dissent. Iran is pretty much entirely Shia no?

I would think it more likely to have our "operatives" blowing up government buildings etc.

However if you wanted to solidify government control against the "evil doers" then go ahead and blow up a mosque.

That's why I'm not buying it. If it was an Iranian Federal building it would be a different story.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 04:33 PM
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35. Who knows...I try to have no opinion on things like that
Where normal facts and evidence are really not available, and there are too many agendas behind any claim.

It doesn't help in any case that we do have active covert operations aimed at destabilizing the Iranian government. Kind of makes it easy for them, really.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:47 PM
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36. I'll certainly agree with that. Interfering in foreign gov's is inexcusable. n/t
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:15 PM
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18. I agree.
This is highly suspect.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:33 PM
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8. Holy crap!
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:34 PM
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9. If they never converted from Islam to Christianity,they wouldn't have had the inquisition
thrown on them.

wonder if they'll crucify the apostates ?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/16/iran.bahais/index.html
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:03 PM
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15. Oh please
You do realize that the idea that Israel caused 911 comes from white supremacists and arab nazis don't you? Or do you just look for anything to blame Israel for?

I would more suspect Iran to be using this to clamp down more on it's own people. Just like Terrorism is used here and was used in Nazi Germany.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:26 AM
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30. Nobody bombed any innocent people on 9-11...
Edited on Sun May-25-08 07:34 AM by LeftishBrit
the hijackers flew planes into buildings. And none of them were American or Israeli. (Or Iraqi if it comes to that.)

Just because Bush is a bad man and a liar, doesn't mean that every country who opposes him is always right or telling the truth. Thepeople who made these 'confessions' were almost certainly subjected to, or threatened with, what I believe is nowadays called 'enhanced interrogation'; and they told the prosecutors what they wanted to hear. Would you automatically believe the 'confessions' of a suspected terrorist who was threatened with waterboarding by American interrogators? Then why do so in the case of a country that has long been known to have a very authoritarian regime?
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:58 PM
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11. I think it was about a year ago covert ops in Iran were approved...
Edited on Sat May-24-08 03:59 PM by bhikkhu
I haven't looked for the link, but it was all public and available information, and the funding for it went through congress fine.

So it makes sense...what would we do if we wanted to send people in to Iran to destabilize the government? Sounds about right. The problem is it really only strengthens the hardliners and squashes reform efforts, and if they do have a plan to build a nuke, this is the sort of thing that would really ramp things up. Makes you wonder what our real goals are...
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neighborsteve Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:47 PM
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23. "Finding" for covert ops in Iran - May 2 article in CounterPunch

May 2, 2008
A CounterPunch Exclusive

Democrats Okay Funds for Covert Ops

Secret Bush "Finding" Widens War on Iran

By ANDREW COCKBURN

Six weeks ago, President Bush signed a secret finding authorizing a covert offensive against the Iranian regime that, according to those familiar with its contents, "unprecedented in its scope."

Read the rest.

http://www.counterpunch.org/andrew05022008.html

Find out more: Do a Google search on "presidential finding authorizing covert operations against Iran" and the return page will have many other links about this.

Steve
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:47 PM
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13. I assume the Iranian government's first story is correct.
It was mildly embarrassing to them--it denied terrorism, which would show a weak government, but made them look odd internationally while blaming nobody but themselves.

I figure the truth slipped out while the chief anti-Zionist paranoid was on vacation.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:32 PM
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16. It's amazing what people will confess to
when you hold a blowtorch to the soles of their feet.
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tchunter Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:11 PM
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17. as much as we should take every statement made by these gov'ts with a healthy bit of skepticism...
if the attackers were a part of the MEK it is entirely possible that they had ties to the United States, probably not Israel.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:33 PM
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19. If anything this is proof that torture will get you to say anything
Edited on Sat May-24-08 08:34 PM by no limit
If you actually believe this story I got a bridge to sell you.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:05 PM
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21. After 7 years of "misinformation dominance" I can see almost everyone is totally brainwashed.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 09:06 PM by L. Coyote
by reading the comments above. What basis in fact do these comments have? None.

However, we do know global covert war is ongoing. So, this story is no surprise just like the original story of the plot.

Nor was the invasion of Ecuador a surprise. Nor was the unsuccessful overthrow of democracy in Venezuela.

We need to coin another neologism, "collective Azheimers," for the special brand of American stupidity of forgetting everything before the present moment!

It is as if nothing has context anymore, and complexity is beyond human capability!
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:25 PM
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22. I have no idea where the truth lies but ...
.... if we (bush/Cheney) had not been screwing around w/ that
part of the world the point would be moot.

Blowback is a bitch.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:59 PM
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25. Yes that's the real tragedy behind this story
Non US citizens will now believe any evil was perpetrated by the US. It doesn't help that we've accused damn near everyone of terrorism and used that to justify all sorts of evil facist BS. Now who are we to cry foul?

This is just fantastic.

And rather than face up to their own personal shame there are many here who like to blame Israel for everything shitty the US does in the ME. I love it :eyes:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:09 PM
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26. I had a friend in college ... he became a navy seal
He was on a ship during the Iran / Iraq war ... he told me

1) We should stay the hell out of this mess.

2) No way should we ever take sides between the 2.

Lord almighty has bush screwed the pooch. BTW one of the largest
pro American gatherings after 9-11 was in Tehran.

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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:16 PM
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27. I agree with your friend
The only reason that we have any involvement in the ME is for oil. It's been drawing imperialists there for over 100 years.

Every other motivation is PR nonsense.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:19 PM
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28. And it doesn't help that we have a big covert program in Iran
I am sure it is doing all good stuff, though, handing out candy and American flags and so forth.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:56 AM
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29. Truth is in the eye of the beholder
Iran 'paid Iraq insurgents to kill UK soldiers'

Iran has secretly paid Iraqi insurgents hundreds of thousands of American dollars to kill British soldiers, according to a leaked government document obtained by The Telegraph.

The allegations are contained in a confidential "field report" written by a British officer who served in Basra during one of the most dangerous periods of the conflict. The report, which has never been made public, shows the full level of Iran's involvement in the insurgency for the first time.

The document states that the Jaish al-Mahdi (JAM) – also known as the Mahdi Army – one of the most violent insurgent groups operating in Basra, used money from Iran to recruit and pay young unemployed men up to $300 (£150) a month to carry out attacks against the British. The findings have been passed to the highest levels in the military.

snip



He writes: "We learnt from a number of our Key Leadership Engagements that the source of the problem was the level of unemployment in Basra.

"JAM, using funding from Iran, paid the unemployed youths in the region of $300 per month to attack Multi National Forces. We also learnt that JAM had a drugs culture and that youths literally got hooked on being associated with JAM."

Twenty-seven members of the Armed Forces died and dozens were seriously injured in southern Iraq between November 2006 and May 2007, the period that Major Job covers in his report.

A senior British officer who has recently returned from southern Iraq said that the existence of "Iranian finance teams" in Basra was widely known by the British military and Foreign Office, although always officially denied.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/2022631/Iran-'paid-Iraq-insurgents-to-kill-UK-soldiers'.html

Oil fuels war. The cost prooves it
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:23 PM
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31. Fire in Iranian Factory Kills 30
Fire in Iranian Factory Kills 30 IRNA
May 25, 2008


TEHRAN (Reuters) - A fire at a pharmaceutical plant in Iran killed 30 people and injured 38 others on Sunday, the official IRNA news agency said.

Another news agency, Mehr, had earlier said 15 workers had died in the blaze at the factory near the city of Arak, 290 km (180 miles) southwest of the capital Tehran.


Provincial officials said the fire had destroyed most of the factory. Mehr said the cause had not yet been determined.

(Reporting by Hashem Kalantari and Hossein Jaseb; editing by Richard Williams)

Copyright 2008 Reuters News Service. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=4927221

another attack on a pharmaceuticalplant done by crusader conspirators.....sounds familiar but


no MSM reporting at this time
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:02 PM
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32. they've been doing this crap for years
it was only a matter of time before they got caught
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darue Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:16 PM
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34. are these our MEK terrorists or some other group? Of course this is true.
you know damn well this has been going on for several years, we just hear about this one because they actually caught the perps.
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