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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:30 PM
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Hillary Clinton will win the Puerto Rico Democratic primary by a wide margin, CNN projects
Source: CNN

Breaking on CNN front page.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:31 PM
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1. Bringing Obama that much closer to clinching the nomination.
He doesn't need all the votes, he just needs some delegates. :)
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:35 PM
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4. And also keeping him from reaching the nomination.
Double edge sword. :rofl:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:45 PM
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10. Like I said...he doesn't need them all, just some.
And he's already clinched a majority of pledged delegates. He doesn't need a single one to own that title.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:50 PM
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13. fuzzy math?
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:01 PM
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23. Obama supporters are using Rove's math.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:35 PM
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25. bizarre and delusional. Whose map was Clinton touting just last week? Rove's.
it would appear in actual fact, Hillary is using Rove's math.

but hey, don't let facts get in your way.


wednesday can't come fast enough boy howdy.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:11 PM
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24. Serious question. If Clinton wins, how does that help Obama?
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 05:14 PM by uppityperson
I found this article in another topic, am off to read, hopefully to be enlightened. I think it is saying that no matter who wins votes here, having another primary over, having delegates allocated is what is helping? still confused.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4973291&page=1
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:42 PM
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26. If the percentage of remaining delegates she needs goes up
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 05:44 PM by muriel_volestrangler
after Puerto Rico, and the percentage he needs goes down, then you can say the result in a sense helps Obama.

With the figures from your link:
Before PR: Obama needs 76.5 more delegates , Clinton 245.5 - which, out of (86 pledged + 200 super) = 286 delegates still to decide, is 27% and 86% (those don't add up to 100, because there are some Edwards delegates, I think)
After PR, if it went, say, 39-16 to Clinton (as estimated in reply #7 in this thread):
Obama needs 60.5/231 = 26% of the remaining, while Clinton needs 206.5/231 = 89%.

She has to win more than 3 times the number of remaining delegates than he does, and every time she doesn't, her chances become less.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:53 PM
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27. Thank you. It is sort of inside out and backwards thinking. Thanks.
appreciate the time you took to explain that, it makes more sense.
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Brusmith411 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:05 PM
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29. It's really funny
I think it's kinda funny that Sen. Clinton's spin on Michigan and Florida. Her camp says every vote should count. I feel every vote was counted because, correct me if i'm wrong but the people who decides when the primaries are, aren't they elected officials, I mean didn't the voters vote for them to make decisions for their state? If that's so I feel as though those elected officials made their decision by breaking the rules and none of the votes should have counted. I feel as though it send a negative message to all the young voters telling them it's hey okay to break the rules, as long as you wine and complain!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:32 PM
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2. Good. Maybe she could run for Senate there someday. Err- wait.
n/t
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:33 PM
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3. Microscopic turnout projected
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 02:34 PM by GoesTo11
Microscopic turnout projected

Election officials projected extremely low turnout of perhaps 400,000 out of nearly 3 million registered voters. So while polls showed Clinton holding a lead, she was likely to win a majority of the commonwealth’s 55 delegates but not get a huge influx of popular votes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24915524/
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:35 PM
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5. Low turnout could blunt senator’s push for lead in popular vote

Low voter turnout 400,000 out of nearly 3 million registered voters.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24915524/
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:36 PM
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6. Honest question...will she count PR numbers toward her "popular vote" total?
Supposedly, the "popular vote" argument is that it indicates that more people would vote for her in November...but PR doesn't vote in November.

Do PR popular votes count and, if so, why?


Yes, I know that the popular vote is meaningless. I'm asking for the input and rationalization of somebody who believes Clinton's "popular vote" argument.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:56 PM
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14. PR counts in the Democratic convention
Obama agreed to those rules before he started to campaign. He has to live with them now. Back in February Obama always stated he was ahead in the popular vote in his campaign speeches and TV appearances. He apparently thought it was important back then. So if was important back then it is important now.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:59 PM
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15. I'm not arguing the rules, I'm questioning how it applies to Clinton's contention
that having the majority of the popular vote is of benefit in November if you're counting popular votes that won't be there in November.

Yes, the rules say that she gets to count them. That's fine. I want to know how popular votes in PR apply to her argument to the SDs that they somehow make here the more electable candidate in November.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:47 PM
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22. Obama has been counted states that Republicans will win in November.
Should we take away his popular votes in the states that won't count electorally for the Democrats in November? Same argument.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:00 PM
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28. As has Clinton.
Close the door on your way out!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:44 AM
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30. Not the "same argument" at all...
Any U.S. state has the potential to go blue in the GE. PR has absolutely NO chance, because they don't vote in the GE.

That's honestly the best you can do?
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:55 PM
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21. Yes and
Hillary agreed that MI and FL wouldn't count and she couldn't live with that. But we know how that turned out. But Obama will go by the rules unlike Hillary.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:06 PM
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16. "The popular vote is meaningless"????
Well, there's a democratic statement.

Since the original statements of the super delegate leaders of the Democratic party insisted that they would not allow the will of the people to be set aside, I dunno. I mean, that was when they thought Clinton would have the majority of regular delegates and they were sure the people would be voting for Obama. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, I'm absolutely sure their rationale will do a 180.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:13 PM
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19. As a criterion for securing the nomination? Absolutely.
Wax poetic about the importance of the popular vote all you like. We still use an electoral system. Those are the rules of the game.

That said, I've frequently advocated changing the rules. I believe we have both the ability and the will to move to a popular voting system, both for the Democratic primary and the general election. If and when the rules are changed, I'll wholeheartedly support them. Until then, we operate under the rules we currently have.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:42 PM
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7. Exit polls show she gains 150,000 votes
69% of men (51% of voters), 68% of women.

Out of approx 400,000 voters, this means 275,000 for Clinton, 125,000 for Obama.

Also means she gains about 23 delegates by my calculation. (39-16)

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#PRDEM
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:44 PM
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8. In the election returns Obama had more votes than she did but she
was 93% to 7%? How does that work?
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:44 PM
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9. Ugh.
Is that God-awful yellow pantsuit her "victory outfit" or something?

:shrug:
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:47 PM
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11. Of course she will. But P.R. isn't one of those EV states that count, per Clinton, right?
I mean, whenever Obama wins a state that doesn't have a lot of electoral votes in the GE (P.R. has NONE), Clinton's camp sluffs it off, stating that it's the big EV states that matter.

So I expect she'll be consistent and say the same thing about Puerto Rico, right? Riiiiiiight. Sure. She's soooooo honest and forthright (oh, and trustworthy, too).
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:48 PM
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12. She gets one last day to gloat. Hope she enjoys it.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:10 PM
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17. No, you don't.
Your insincerity is sneeringly obvious.

You should study Obama. He fakes sincerity so well none of you can tell.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:12 PM
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18. Sorry. Never went to law school.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:26 PM
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20. is it 87%
because thats what she needs out of the remaining delegates to win the nomination.
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