Hamas hits out at Obama

Source: SA

Gaza City - The Islamist Hamas movement that rules the Gaza Strip slammed a speech by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday, saying it confirmed US "hostility" to Arabs and Muslims.

"We consider the statements of Obama to be further evidence of the hostility of the American administration to Arabs and Muslims," Hamas spokesperson Sami Abu Zuhri told AFP.

In May Obama's Republican opponent John McCain said Hamas would welcome an Obama presidency, charges the Democratic candidate denied as "offensive" and "disappointing".


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I guess that McCain talking point goes out the window.

By "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic, this should help Obama
regain some credibility with Jewish voters who may have previously
thought him "anti-Semitic."

I Heard them discussing that on NPR- should we, or should we not talk to hostile regimes?

I can't believe I'm hearing such blather passing as "discussion"- we talked to the "Red Menace," didn't we?

on the African continent ?

The public station fades in and out on my way home from work. I think they were discussing his comments at AIPAC, though- I remember a comment about McCain and HRC jumping all over him regarding this.

Regardless, this reminds me of the terror scares Bush used to use. Whenever he did that, I was reminded as a kid during the 80s of the constant threat of a nuclear strike from the Soviet Union. Back then, they told us to hold our heads up high and not lose hope. Bush seemed to want us cowering under our beds looking to him for protection.

In the same way, this whole "debate" about whether we talk to mass murderers is absurd. If you don't talk to them, you are basically declaring that you will kill them at first opportunity.

PB

most of us have seen that the Islamic world sees us differently than we see ourselves.

In their eyes(Koranic view of the world), Obama is one of them. They feel he is since he was born to an Moslim father. That is how they diagram decendency--through the father. To them, Obama is Muslim. The fact that he publically has declared himself to be christian makes him apostate in their eyes. That is the highest order of crime in the Koran and is punishable by termination wherever and whenever.

We cannot, from our vantage point in the west, understand such a mindset. To them, both Shia and Sunni, Obama went from a possible ally to an active enemy.

:eyes: thanks for enlightening me about the "Koranic view of the world".

All sarcasm aside, just because Hamas is trying to stir up shit doesn't mean every Muslim in the world will mobilize against Obama. Hamas is ALWAYS trying to stir up shit. This doesn't mean Obama will be a worse influence than some old rich white Republican president. In fact, he has the opportunity to reach out to Muslims in a way Clinton and McCain can't. Whether or not be blows that or not remains to be seen.

Believe it or not, most Palestinians just want to live their lives left alone in peace. Just like you don't want the Bush administration speaking for you, many Palestinians don't want Hamas dragging them through more blood.

If Obama can stand up to Israel, it won't matter what fucking color his skin is or who is father is anyway.

floated recently by Edward Luttwak and Daniel Pipes among others. It appears their background in Islamic jurisprudence is roughly of the same depth as my knowledge of quantum physics. Here is a worth-reading rebuttal (more of a slam-dunk dismissal) from Juan Cole:

http://www.juancole.com/2008/05/is-obama-apostate-or-bush-reply-to.html

Go check your sources before you post such nonsense.

Wasn't McCain just saying they had endorsed him?

Of course, he had the quote from MSM sources from a Hamas spokesman, if that matters.

It was billed as a lie, or the next best thing to it, by the Obama campaign. Everybody quoted Obama's team saying it was a baseless smear; more could have quoted the source itself, showing it wasn't baseless. As for "smear", it's a subjective word for "something that might or might not be factual that I don't like said about me, and which I want you to think is false."

They don't like this speech, and have said so. Can't blame them. Whether that means they don't like him over all, or are ranting over this in order to score brownie points at home and with their Allah, or whether that means they're just polemicizing in order to try to get him to alter what he says, I can't know.

of himself with a McCain sign behind him.

Surely no wall could be so ugly just on its own.

;-)

I thought the RW said that Obama was a .....?

Oh. Never mind.

was an America-hating, no-flag-pin-wearing Muslim. Or was it an American-hating Christian? I can't keep it straight.

Who gives a *fuck* who they "support" or "don't support". Do not let Hamas define or even influence our political discourse even a little bit.

This was my argument against McCain when he used Hamas' "endorsement" of Obama as a political weapon. It would now hypocritical to claim Hamas' "anti-endorsement" of Obama as somehow politically beneficial for him.

EOM.

They've got nothing to do with our political process -- let's keep it that way!

We need your hostility. Now, could you please say something nice about McCain?

;-)

before we applaud obama's break with hamas, it's worthy of consideration that he's just categorically undermined the two-state solution inasmuch as east jerusalem is a big part of just about any peace plan.

campaign maneuvering is one thing; long-term foreign policy implications are another.

i see this as a blunder.

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BHO is a politician. to expect him start directing israeli policy at this point is unrealistic.

Quds/Jerusalem should be a UN protectorate with no part of the city in Israel or Palestine. Like the Vatican in the middle of Italy. It belongs to all 3 worthless, warmongering monotheisms equally.

do more for the Palestinian people...because no one else is even trying. I keep hoping he is just going along because otherwise AIPAC will hit him hard come November,but we shall see.

I've noticed some are actually buying into the Obama/Muslim/Anti-Semite rumors.

Speak softly of risk Deja Vu BHO

On the 40th Anniversary of His Assassination:

Robert Kennedy's 1948 Reports from Palestine

Lenny Ben-David

In April 1948, one month before Israel declared independence, Robert Kennedy, then 22, traveled to Palestine to report on the conflict for the Boston Post. His four dispatches from the scene were published in June 1948. The newspaper closed in 1956, and for decades the reports were virtually forgotten.



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Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, brother of slain U.S. President John F. Kennedy and former U.S. Attorney General, was the leading Democratic candidate for president when he was gunned down at a primary victory celebration in California on June 5, 1968. His Palestinian assassin, Sirhan Sirhan, said he killed Kennedy due to his vocal support for Israel.


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In the midst of the conflict, young Robert Kennedy expressed an amazing optimism: "The Arabs in command believe that eventually victory must be theirs. It is against all law and nature that this Jewish state should exist....The Jews believe that in a few more years, if a Jewish state is formed, it will be the only stabilizing factor remaining in the Near and Middle East....In many cases Jews and Arabs work side by side in the fields and orange groves outside of Tel Aviv. Perhaps these Jews and Arabs are making a greater contribution to the future peace in Palestine than are those who carry guns."



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Boston Post - June 5, 1948


British Position Hit in Palestine
Kennedy Says They Seek to Crush Jewish Cause Because They Are Not in Accord with It

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http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=1&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=376&PID=0&IID=2165&TTL=Robert_Kennedy%27s_1948_Reports_from_Palestine


60 years later........



Obama defends Jerusalem remarks

Democratic White House candidate Barack Obama on Thursday defended his remarks that Jerusalem should not be divided under any Israeli-Palestinian peace pact, saying a divided city would be "very difficult to execute."

A day after sparking outrage among Palestinians when he told a Jewish group that Jerusalem must remain the "undivided" capital of Israel, Obama told CNN that the issue is still up to the two sides.

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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080605214129.9en2gjp2&show_article=1

Thanks for the info :thumbsup: