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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 05:48 PM
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AG rules hemp bill is legal
Source: Times Argus

MONTPELIER – A constitutional dispute surrounding the so-called hemp bill has finally been resolved, paving the way for Vermont to become only the second state in the country to allow its farmers to grow the crop.

Gov. James Douglas, a critic of the hemp bill, had said the measure flies in the face of federal statutes and could ultimately complicate marijuana eradication efforts in the state.

Despite his opposition, a Douglas spokesman said that the bill didn't rise to the level of a gubernatorial veto. And though he wasn't willing to sign the bill himself, Douglas forwarded the legislation in early June to the secretary of state for her to enact the bill into law without his signature.

But Secretary of State Deborah Markowitz said it was unclear whether the Vermont Constitution requires a gubernatorial signature or not. When the bill arrived at her office about two weeks ago, Markowitz sought legal advice from the Office of the Attorney General to make a ruling.

On Friday, William Griffin, chief assistant attorney general, said in a letter to Markowitz that Douglas did indeed abide by constitutional protocol and advised her to make the hemp bill law.

Read more: http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080621/NEWS02/806210318/1003/NEWS02
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 05:49 PM
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1. go vermont
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 05:53 PM
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2. If hemp hadn't been outlawed back in the 30's, we probably wouldn't even be worried
about the oil supply now, to say nothing of climate change. According to what I've read, almost anything that can be made from petroleum (yes, including fuel) can be made from hemp. But short-sighted industrialists couldn't allow any competition, oh no... And now we see the consequences.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:11 PM
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3. Hemp wood can replace wood
Hemp can be made combustible - but it takes some work

However, all of the products we churn out of petroleum, that could be hemp
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:09 AM
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46. Breaking: Hemp can be made combustible
Millions of people prove that daily!
:smoke:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:13 PM
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4. I wonder if we could get high on oil if it'd be illegal too?
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:15 PM
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5. Well, there is gasoline-huffing, but I haven't tried it and wouldn't recommend it...
:P
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:55 PM
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8. You can get high on oil
It destroys brain cells quicker than any illegal drug does. Gas-huffing was pretty common in my hometown. The poor man's heroin, they called it.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:58 PM
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9. Isn't huffing pretty much just supercharged brain asphyxiation?
I don't call that a "high", it's closer to suicide.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 04:42 PM
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37. Uh, you can't get high on hemp. Not the same plant.
NT!

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:25 PM
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47. Industrial Hemp is just a low THC strain of Cannabis Sativa
Other Sativa strains will get you nicely toasted.

They're basically the same plant, selected for different purposes.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:30 PM
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40. That is such right on thinking. Ethanol could be made from hemp, other bio fuel
Possibilities as well. And newspaper and toilet paper could come from hemp and not old growth forests.

It is a wonder plant and it was suppressed because of Hearst having ownership of old growth forests. And then for other reasons.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:38 PM
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6. K&R #5
Didn't they used to make all the rope that was used on ships out of hemp? Seems I read that in a history book years ago.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 07:02 PM
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10. Yes. You are correct.
they still do. Just not in the US
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 07:23 PM
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11. Thank you!
I was hoping I didn't dream it. My memory is sometimes faulty.

:hi:
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 09:20 PM
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19. Largely displaced by Nylon, but hemp would be cheaper.
Nylon is stronger, much more resistant to rot and mildew, and doesn't become waterlogged. But there are plenty of situations in which hemp rope would be sufficiently good and more economical. Oh, and nowadays biodegradability would be viewed as something of a PLUS.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:14 AM
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45. a nice thing about hemp
is that it does not degrade in UV light over time unlike synthetic fibers.
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WinstonSmith4740 Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 09:28 PM
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21. During WWII, the government needed farmers to grow hemp.
In fact, a lot of you probably remember the ad from George the Elder's campaign where he was being pulled out of the ocean after he crashed his plane. The life jacket he was wearing was made from hemp cloth. It's an extremely useful plant...every part of it can be used, it'll grow(and fast) anywhere, needs very little care, and is resistance to diseases and pests. Cloth, oil (both industrial and nutritional), paper...the stuff's amazing.
Our politicians are morons.
:banghead:
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 10:49 PM
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30. make that venial morons...
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 05:04 PM
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39. Make that rich, greedy, ass kissing,
short sighted morons...just sayin.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 10:32 PM
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29. You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769.
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/industrial-hemp-facts-information/68451-sequestering-carbon-dioxide.html
According to the LA Times Aug. 12. 1981: It was legal to pay taxes with hemp from 1631 until the early 1800's. From 'Hemp in Colonial Virginia,' by: G.M. Herdon we find, "refusing to grow hemp in America during the 17th and 18th century was against the law! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769. From Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act we find this. "Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. In 1935, 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products.
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 11:30 PM
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32. It seemed they had the right idea then...here we are in 2008...what a fucking
disgrace this is..
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 11:55 PM
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33. trivia
If you want to get into 'hemp' trivia how about this the old 'canvas' sails were called that because they were made from the weed 'cannabis'. Thus the word canvas is a derivative of the word cannabis. Yes that is hemp not the chronic kind.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 03:03 PM
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36. Yep. The USS Constitution had tons of hemp-derived supplies on board.
Edited on Sun Jun-22-08 03:04 PM by tom_paine
"Ol' Ironsides" was Ol' Smokeysides.

Oh, and there is that cryptic reference in Geo. Washington's diary, "Seperated the males from females, rather too late," in referrence to his hemp crop.

http://www.veryimportantpotheads.com/site/NOTES.htm (second from bottom)

As I understand it, people growing the stuff for industrial prodcuts would not care about such things.

http://www.amazon.com/Emperor-Wears-Clothes-Authoritative-Historical/dp/1878125028/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214164568&sr=8-1

Whether someone smokes it or not, the truth of the history, as well as it's potential to supplant large chunks of the Oil Barons' and Dupont Barons' business, is quite eye-opening.

But see, that's what the Bushies do with their false dichotomies and lies. If a person tries to speak about this, they are labelled a "pothead who just wants to get high" thus dismissing everything that person has to say.

Like they cry out "Conspiracy Theories" whenever anyone tries to point out the historical fact of the Bush Family's long and deep relationship with Nazis.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 06:48 PM
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7. Excellent!
Maybe when they pursue -- and other States see -- the options available, we can add further States to the list.

At first I thought by AG you meant Mukasey! I was so excited!!
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 07:31 PM
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12. Great idea! I hope Green Mountain Fibers can get some.
I have knitted with a wool/hemp blend, and it's really nice. Hempen flax is, in all likelihood, the oldest spun fiber in Europe (flax wasn't where the sample was found yet), and it makes a lovely yarn. It's quite the rage amongst knitters right now, mostly because it softens so much with wear but still stays strong. I have a pair of hemp jeans (don't fit now, but I refuse to get rid of them), and they're hands-down the best, softest jeans I've ever worn.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 07:48 PM
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13. "could ultimately complicate marijuana eradication efforts"
Oh, the horror!!

Could make growing sensimilla kinda tricky too.
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 08:06 PM
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14. I wonder which lumber industry lobbyist came up with that phrase.
Because this whole hemp ban must have been one of the goals for many supporters of clear cutting.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 08:26 PM
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15. Are our cops saying they're just too stupid to be able to tell the difference?
Because police in all those countries where hemp cultivation is legal--Western Europe, Canada, China, for example--seem to be able to figure out what's a hemp plant and what's a pot plant.

And yes, by all means, keep your damned hemp fields away from my outdoor plants!! They'll pollinate them and ruin them.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 08:43 PM
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16. And I am sure they will have great luck "eradicating" marijuana if hemp is not legal...
Someone needs to tell these people that marijuana is a plant that grows naturally and in large quantities all over the world. It can not be eradicated.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 09:28 PM
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20. That won't stop them from trying
Especially when there's a buck to be made.
And think of all those people who could be buying Government Heroin and Cocaine instead.

They must feel like Metalica back in the Napster days.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 08:49 PM
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17. Yes it can
I have heard that a crop of Hemp can change a crop of MJ into hemp or useless pot if the wind blows it's pollen on the MJ. Hemp could replace cotton too and they sure as hell don't want the competition. Hemp has so many uses I hope Obama when he is President will change a lot of drug laws and the uses of Hemp.
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 09:33 PM
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22. sshhhh!!! nt
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 11:13 PM
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31. oops
I just had a terrible thought.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 09:09 PM
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18. Vermont can take their newly legalized hemp and turn it into biofuels.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 09:49 PM
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23. It said the second state, Does anyone know what state now grows it?
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 10:05 PM
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25. Hawaii (n/t)
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 10:08 PM
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27. sure about that?
Edited on Sat Jun-21-08 10:10 PM by Tunkamerica
<http://technocrat.net/d/2006/5/3/3160>

it says: Currently seven states (Hawaii, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Montana, North Dakota and West Virginia) have passed pro-hemp farming laws.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 10:07 PM
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26. i think it's north dakota
both of it's residents grow hemp legally
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:09 AM
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34. The other state is North Dakota.
But nobody's growing it there because it remains against federal law.

This is the drug war's ultimate insanity (and there's a lot of competetion!). You can't get high on the stuff, we can import it from other countries, but we can't grow it here because the DEA insists it's marijuana.
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 09:58 PM
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24. Awesome!
Good for you Vermont!

Now, start producing:

cloth
oil
fuel
biodegradable plastic
rope
paper pulp
and many, MANY other things

I bet your economy will be improving in no time!
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-21-08 10:26 PM
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28. HEMP, HEMP, HOORAY, Here's a start for production
Guitars made of hemp




http://www.guitarsite.com/news/electric_guitar/guitars_made_from_hemp/



Of course there are more uses than this.


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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:26 AM
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35. "complicate marijuana eradication efforts?"
One expects to hear delusional statements out of say, South Carolina or Texas, but when they come from otherwise sensible places like Vermont, the contrast is surprising.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 04:43 PM
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38. Considering they're not the same plant, it's sheer propaganda.
NT!

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 07:06 PM
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41. Them Pub Yappers at it again...yapping about something they have little knowledge of
Look it up...

2 TYPES

1 has THC

the other does not....

THC makes your brain active

The other makes fine clothes/rope/twine/etc.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 07:13 PM
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42. Kick A$$! Vermont the most liberal state in the union?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:31 PM
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43. Sweet!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 11:13 PM
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44. Well, they'll be rich
amazing how things could be if we didn't allow people to retard the process
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 05:44 PM
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48. WOW!
A GOP gov. that won't veto a hemp bill.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 05:59 PM
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49. Betcha you can even fabricate shingles out of it!
Which, of course, would lead to the production of a movie called "Roofer Madness".

I'm sorry. I'll go now.:yoiks:
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