Rove ignores subpoena, refuses to testify

Source: AP

Rove ignores subpoena, refuses to testify
July 10, 2008 10:24 EDT


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former White House adviser Karl Rove has ignored a subpoena from congressional Democrats to appear at a hearing on alleged political influence at the Justice Department.

Democrats subpoenaed him in May to force his testimony about whether he was involved in firing federal prosecutors. They also wanted to know if he sought to influence prosecutorial decisions, including in the corruption case against former Democratic Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman.

Rove had been scheduled to appear at a House Judiciary subcommittee hearing Thursday morning.

The panel was debating "appropriate action" over his refusal to show.



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nothing will be done about it.

We should all stop caring so much. It is too heartbreaking.

talk to anyone at the White House about it at the same time? He should at least show up. Why are they so afraid of the jerk? I'm ashamed for them. What would happen if they put him in the jail cell in the basement? Would Bush call out the National Guard? Even Republicans want him to appear. It makes me sick,literally.

It may not be a technical pardon, but that is in essence what happens when they A) do nothing or B) pass legislation that hamstrings everyone else from doing anything.

I'm going back to sleep.

Right. More like which wrist to slap or how long to hold our breath till we turn blue.

waiting for Congress to hold this criminal administration accountable.

Agreed, too much caring about things we have no control over

Cuban cigars? Illegal. Unless you're a republican politician.

Unprovoked invasions? Illegal. Unless you're a republican politician.

Warrantless spying on US citizens? Illegal. Unless you're a republican politician.

Ignoring subpoenas? Illegal. Unless you're a republican politician.

This is INDEPENDENT of the election

DO YOUR JOB FOR ONCE CONGRESS

the world has always been an anarchy for the top of the society.

There wouldn't be any food to eat or clothes or homes to live in or anybody to repair the electric lines or plumbing if there was anarchy at the bottom of society.

The "top" of society is nothing but a bunch of thug-leeches living off the blood of those who actually do something. The top makes a lot of noise and swaggers around. But frankly can't even wipe their own butts or the snot off their noses.

The top fears anarchy at the bottom because that would hurt them.

congressional "Democrats" subpoenaed him to appear.
"Democrats" subpoenaed him in May to force his testimony.

Isn't it sufficient to say that Congress issued a subpoena, and he refused to show? Is the AP trying to make a distinction between a Congressional Subpoena and a subpoena issued by Congressional Democrats?

If it's a "Democratic" subpoena, then he can ignore it, of course. I hope I can pick and choose if I ever get served to appear in court. What a racket!




-JB

for the Titanic? Of course each deck chair will come with its own sharply worded letter
that explains how to fold.

Anyone expect Inherit Contempt?...... not me.

they fly (they can't sink, like witches, you know.) It's more like building folding deck chairs on the Hindenburg.

Stephen Colbert.

The Democrats are staying onboard the Hindenburg to make sure the folding deck chairs
work correctly for their republican overlords.

loudly but carries a wet noodle.

:sarcasm:

true patriots we have left in Washington. Few being the operative word.

Not censure, mind you.
If the Democrats become bold, they may THREATEN him with censure.

That is the risk he is taking.

So much for that idea, it has to be Inherent Contempt or doing nothing.

and he knows it.

"Where is Karl Rove?

"He says he doesn't have to come in. He isn't here."

"What shall we do about this?"

"Let's have lunch."

THE DEBATE: "Where shall we eat?"

line from a movie I cannot remember...

And the Dems will do NOTHING.....EVER.

They should send the cops to his house, slap the handcuffs on him, hog tie his fuckin' ass and drag him to Capitol Hill and compell him to say SOMETHING!!!! Even if he does plead the 5th, at the very least arrest him! Congress has got to show some level of authority!!!!

I just yesterday went and PAID MY TRAFFIC TICKET! Now I find out I coulda just ignored it! I mean since there is no law in this country. Why am I following laws and paying taxes and fines and stuff when none of it means anything? I think I'll go buy....hell steal! a gun and rob a bank. I mean why not? Who cares? PPPPPTHHHHZZZZ.....

They claim the president's advisers are immune from oversight. No check, no balance.

isn't he in contempt?

Send the fucking Federal Marshalls and arrest his fucking porkass! Or just be the laughing stock of the world you assholes!

it's that IOKIYAR!!!!!!!! Sure, Conyers and Sanchez will bitch loud and long about it. All sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Power corrupts. And, thus far, it seems that Democrats aren't immune.

That'll show him!!!11!

The right wing nuts have done an excellent job of running out the clock and delaying every investigation. When Obama comes into office, they will talk about the need for a fresh start, and let's keep all those old illegal actions under the rug.

I won't be happy until I see Rove frog-marched into Federal prison. Instead, he is installing all of his right hand men into the top positions of the McCain camp. Rove's number one boy is serving as McCain's campaign manager, even though McCain hasn't taken the title away from the old guy.

Arrest. The. Bastard. NOW. :mad:

IMHO, allowing him to get away with this doesn't speak very loudly to the rest of the world as a "show of force."

Why should the rest of the world be quaking in their boots at the threat of the Almighty U.S. Government, if we don't even have the balls to hold our own corrupt lying bastard politicians accountable for their crimes?

We look like a bunch of freakin' pussies. :eyes:

As a non-lawyer, my understanding is that executive privilege is mainly to protect confidential advice given to a President. However, Rove is likely to say that he was not involved with Siegelman and Bush was not involved with Siegelman. Therefore, there shouldn't be any executive privilege because he wasn't working for the President on the matter.

I understand that Executive Privilege cannot be used legally if it is covering up illegal actions.

Let Rove deny his involvement with Siegelman under oath.

Rove only tells the truth when he is under oath, and he does everything he can to avoid being under oath. During the Plame case, he wasn't prosecuted because he told the truth to the FBI when they put him under oath. He lied to everyone else, except the FBI.

Karl Rove--the most powerful shit in all of America.

Hope you like that Congress--you let it happen, you craven cowardly slaves.

leaders there.

What is disturbing in this scenario is it seems as if the President is claiming that he can assert anyone out of any testimony just by stating that he had spoken to them.

This of course is not meant to overshadow the President's presumed authority to jail any person indefinitely without habeas corpus simply by labeling them as a terrorist.

Tell me how this is not an elected king. And tell me how Republican committee chairmen would react if a Clinton adviser had failed to show up for a hearing.

Or will Congress bow down again?

gut-wrenching indecision.

Our Congress at work.

This is ridiculous. No Judge would tolerate such conduct. A bench warrant would be issued and when he was found they would throw him in jail.

Congress has the same power. IF they fail to use it, then the power they possess is worthless.

:scared:

What a joke.

They won't do anything. He must be laughing his ass off. Hopefully, literally.

thumbing their noses and laughing at us all. Shameful.

Like everyone and everyone else in this administration, doesn't care about a goddamn thing but his own,(in his case) pink and white ass. Delusional selfishness combined with a sociopathic criminal mind.

I'm not a religious person, but I find myself chanting a child like prayer, "please God, let him go to prison"

hopefully they will read it.

http://judiciary.house.gov/Contact.aspx

I asked them if Rove is above the law.

We should all be sending them comments.

Here's what I wrote, and I also called, but the intern didn't even ask for a name , just said okay... they should be writing down this stuff as people call shouldn't they?

~~~~~~~~
I just called the above number and told the intern that answered this:
Rove should be handcuffed and forced to appear in court, or at least arrested for contempt.!!!
As a citizen, if I am subpeonaed, I HAVE to show up, or give reasonbable cause to the DA or Judge. If I have a traffic ticket, I have to pay it or show up in court if it says so. Karl Rove is NOT a public servant, he has NO privlidges in this issue - he is a citizen and has been legally served.
If we do NOT hold these criminals accountable, we may as well just burn the constitution and submit to anarchy.
If He doesn't have to show up to testify about this case, and Bush's impeachment and lies are not going to be addressed - Why should I pay a ticket or submit to ANY laws anymore?
~~~~~~~

I'am serious, I think we should ALL strike against traffic tickets, etc and just let them know if they don't hold to the rule of law, why should we?

and all I have left is incredulity

He knows it.

did they actually believe he was going to comply?! we all knew he would be a no-show. fuckin rubes.

BRAGGING about how rove is subpoenaed to come in

she was asked what they were going to do if he doesn't show up and she began tripping on her fucking words saying that she wasn't going to think about that now because that hasn't happened (no, it would happen the next day!). asked a second time after she wore herself out tap dancing with her tongue about how he is scheduled to come in. second time she said she wasn't the head of judiciary, but they would explore their options.

good. go "explore all your options" debbie. get to know your options better. learn to be happy with your options. maybe you and your options can totally run out the goddamn clock like you did with impeachment.

she pisses me off to no end!

The little bastard should be put in jail.

Let's see what the peanut balls Dems do about this.

If Congress does not arrest him. They need to be dissolved. It would be better to have no Congress. Than to continue to watch this painful display of impotents.

To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
- Abraham Lincoln
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A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
- Edward R. Murrow

or is it ironic that a Fox station reported this?

from the cowards that are supposed to be representing us.

then ask him if it is torture?

:nuke: :hide: :nuke:

OK what actions do WE THE PEOPLE have to hold all of them accountable?

We keep getting outraged at stunts like this because we think we live in a two party system. We expect one party to rein-in the excesses of the other and to hold it up to public scrutiny and accountability. We're naturally very upset, therefore, when we see "our" party behaving as if it's forgotten its purpose and lost its direction.

If, instead, we admit the obvious, that this is a one party state in which the Republican Party controls everything, we can adjust our expectations accordingly. Suddenly, everything that's happened in America during the past forty years makes perfect sense. Of course, we'll need a new name for what had formerly been laughingly called "The Democratic Party."

Perhaps it could be renamed "Republican Lite" (just as repressive, but with 50% fewer calories!). Or maybe the "Republican Wannabes," a sub-party composed of those who desperately wish they had the balls to be rough tough, couldn't-give-a-shit Republicans, but are too feeble to carry it off. They'd still vote the Republican Party line, of course, but they'd wear t-shirts with pictures of kittens on them while they did it (to show they "care").

I've seen a lot of posts on DU and elsewhere, wondering what BushCo has over the heads of the Congressional Democratic leadership that has made them fold like a house of wet pasta on every important issue. I've even wondered this myself, imagining in my darker hours video footage of Pelosi torturing puppies or Reid dressed as Miss Muffet, vigorously servicing a stable of Clydesdales. Yet this assumes the Congressional Democrats are doing something against their will, that they would otherwise vote progressively and reasonably, in the interests of the Country and the Constitution, but for the sinister coercion exerted by shadowy GOP forces.

I now believe that nothing could be further from the truth. "Our representatives" are voting in line with the GOP because the goals of both the Democratic leadership and the GOP are aligned. Both crave power, both desire total control, both regard the general population of this country with utter contempt. We are livestock to them. Even worse, we are livestock with opinions and guns. We threaten politicians' power and privilege, merely by existing. It is natural, therefore, that they would vote in the ways best calculated to preserve and promote their power, and to diminish and degrade ours.

Democratic and Republican politicians have infinitely more in common with each other than they have with ordinary people. They may dislike and distrust each other, but they hate and fear us.

He's a Rethug, so I'm not holding my breath...but I feel better. We need to deluge the committee members. Anyone know who they are?



I just read this:

Source: AP

Rove ignores subpoena, refuses to testify
July 10, 2008 10:24 EDT


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former White House adviser Karl Rove has ignored a subpoena from congressional Democrats to appear at a hearing on alleged political influence at the Justice Department.

Democrats subpoenaed him in May to force his testimony about whether he was involved in firing federal prosecutors. They also wanted to know if he sought to influence prosecutorial decisions, including in the corruption case against former Democratic Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman.

Rove had been scheduled to appear at a House Judiciary subcommittee hearing Thursday morning.

The panel was debating "appropriate action" over his refusal to show.



I don't know if you are on this panel. I DO know that if I or any other American citizen ignored a subpoena, we'd be arrested. As a citizen who learned in 8th grade civics that NO person is above the law in the United States, I feel VERY strongly that you should demand his arrest. That is the ONLY "appropriate action". Otherwise, speaking as a teacher, how do I convince my students that we are all equal in the eyes of the law?

This is not about the initial (R, D, or I) that appears after your name. This is about the foundation of our country. And please, no platitudes about "national security", patriotism, or any of the other specious, tired replies. If you are truly patriotic, if you truly love this country, what it stands for, and the rule of law, you will tell the committee to stop dithering and throw Rove in jail until he agrees to testify.

:patriot:

up until the end of this Congressional session if the House has the grit to sanction it.

Inherent contempt

Under this process, the procedure for holding a person in contempt involves only the chamber concerned. Following a contempt citation, the person cited is arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate, brought to the floor of the chamber, held to answer charges by the presiding officer, and then subjected to punishment as the chamber may dictate (usually imprisonment for punishment reasons, imprisonment for coercive effect, or release from the contempt citation.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress

The House Sergeant-at-Arms only has power and jurisdiction inside the Capitol Building, and probably only on the House side. He can't go to Rove's house (residence) and arrest him. So any cop that the House sends to physically arrest Rove will probably immediately face a kidnapping, false arrest, and violation of civils rights under color of law charges before he gets back to the Capitol. The marshalls and cops know this. THAT'S why it is not happening. They're not going to volunteer to be placed in legal jeopardy

Is the only fitting punishment for the little piggie.

Saying that he's defiant, arrogant, above the law, etc. just reinforces his perceived "strengths".
We need to emasculate these bastards if we're to truly neutralize their influence in our public discourse.

real obligation is to.

Not that I need much right now anyway.