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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:36 PM
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New Apache chopper can kill at 50 miles
Source: Sun Times

An unmanned aircraft sails through the night sky, watching enemy soldiers plant roadside bombs ahead of an approaching convoy of American troops.

The craft fires a missile at insurgents, sparing what would have been certain U.S. casualties. The pilot in control of the craft is safely 50 miles away, aboard an Apache helicopter.

By 2011, crews will be able to do just that from the next generation of the aircraft. Remote-control piloting is one of the features of the new Apache, which was unveiled this month in Mesa, Ariz. Boeing Co.’s Mesa factory will begin making 634 of the ultra-high-tech aircraft in 2010.

The Army’s $19 billion order will mean greater protection for U.S. troops fighting in the Middle East, where the Apache has proven itself as a vital weapon. And it will open a new chapter in a storied piece of the U.S. military arsenal.

Read more: http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1066569,apache072108.article
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:41 PM
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1. Now if they could make something that could
build a house, treat the sick or maybe even feed the hungry, I would be impressed, but this crap I couldn't care less about.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:42 PM
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2. can you imagine what we couild do if this level of ingenuity and support...
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 03:42 PM by mike_c
...were applied to tasks that benefit the world rather than to tasks that kill and maim with greater and greater efficiency?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:45 PM
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3. Why control the UAS from an Apache when it can be operated from secure locations anywhere?
The headline is interesting "New Apache chopper can kill at 50 miles" given that USAF flies its UAS missions in Iraq and Afghanistan from Nevada which is considerable more than 50 miles from the target.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 03:40 AM
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19. Good observation.
Sales pitch for the new Apache.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:52 PM
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4. But, does it have the SHAZAM application for iPhone that can recognize the songs they're listening
to as they plant their bombs?
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:54 PM
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5. At $29,968,454 a pop, that sure is an expensive helicopter.
But then again, we're in the mega-price-for-military-weapons era.
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enuegii Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 02:28 AM
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17. My thoughts exactly!
If I'm remembering correctly, that's more than an F-16.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:59 PM
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6. The problem is IDing the target as hostile, which is difficult at that distance
The Viet Cong realized the US had superior artillery and air power that was so vast that to come under its attack would be certain death. Thus the Viet Cong developed "Grab the Belt" tactics, i.e. Cover and Concealment till US troops were engaged, and then stay as close as you can to prevent the US from dropping Shells and bombs on their own troops while you attack the US troops. The US troops in Vietnam was to find where the Viet Cong were and the DISENGAGE from them to let the bombers and artillery take care of them.

The same thing is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq, are those troops moving to the battle field or pilgrims to the holy sites? The only way to find out is to send in ground troops and look over the people moving. It is unstated but what is hoped for is someone from the people on the move open fire so we can claim it is troops on the move NOT Pilgrims on a pilgrimage.

My point so what if an Apache can kill at 50 miles, when we can only see them as hostile at 50 feet. This is a solution to a non-problem, what next a bigger ship killer missile for a Soviet fleet that no longer exists? Maybe advanced anti-tank missiles to destroy Soviet Tanks now rusting away in Russia. I know Putin has tried to upgrade Russian Military Capability, but it is a shadow of what the Soviets could do in the 1970s and 1980s. The Chinese are NOT a real threat to the US for at least another 20 years. What we need is more troops on the ground to control the ground, not destroy targets 50 miles away in an area no one really cares about.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:04 PM
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7. We're paying obscene amounts of money for more things that can kill people faster.
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 04:05 PM by Alexander
Yay.

:scared:
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:12 PM
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8. Just think if we invested a Trillion Dollars into Alternative Energy.
Hell, $500 Billion.

We could be doing an Apollo style re-tool of our nation. We could be leading the world; leading by example.

Instead, we line the pockets of fat-cat corporate robber barons who get filthy rich selling obscenely priced killing machines to our government to use in war-for-profit (tm).
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:53 PM
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12. The robber barons have better lobbyists
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:17 PM
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9. And if those weren't insurgents after all
who's gonna know? Don't want our soldeirs to "engage" the enemy face to face (might see what they're killing).
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:19 PM
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10. Or, we could just get the fuck out of the Middle East.
:think:
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marias23 Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:32 PM
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11. I'm So Proud to be an American
WE are sooooo good at killing.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:03 PM
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13. Don't be too proud: if its an American contractor
you can bet it will be massively overpriced and won't work as advertised, anyways. Just a $30 million useless paperweight for the Generals at the Pentagon
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:44 PM
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14. We can kill someone from 50 miles away.
But we can't drive there on a gallon of gas.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 06:24 AM
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20. Ouch.
That'll leave a mark ...
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 12:47 PM
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23. Priorities...
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:59 PM
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15. If we stay out of wars, we won't need to kill at all.
Channel that money into alternative energy and go back to being isolationists.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:30 PM
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16. Remote control killing doesn't win wars of occupation
Regular people always figure out a response. It is sad that so much U.S. pride rests in technology of killing nowadays.
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fbahrami Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 03:20 AM
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18. Congratulations, America!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 10:28 AM
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21. good point - we can kill people from 50 miles away but we can't seem to keep kids from getting
lead poisoning and bitten by rats in Washington DC. Something seriously wrong with this picture.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 10:50 AM
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22. no wedding within 50 miles is safe
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