Doubts about anthrax story (Survivors, relatives wonder if dead scientist was truly the culprit)

Source: Baltimore Sun

Survivors, relatives wonder if dead scientist was truly the culprit

Survivors of the 2001 anthrax attacks and relatives of those killed by the deadly powder said yesterday that they want a full accounting from the FBI of its investigation to date, and they are not yet convinced that Bruce Ivins, the government scientist who killed himself last week, was responsible.

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"I don't know whether this is the right person or not," said Maureen Stevens, the widow of Robert Stevens, a photo editor at the Sun, a supermarket tabloid, who was the first killed in the fall 2001 attacks. Stevens said she has gone to Washington twice before for meetings, but nothing came of them. She said she received an e-mail from the FBI informing her of this week's meeting.

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"I think he's a convenient fall guy. They can say, 'OK, we found him, case closed, we're going home,'" said Dr. Kenneth W. Hedlund, the former chief of bacteriology at Fort Detrick who hired Ivins. "The FBI apparently applied a lot of pressure to all the investigators there {at Detrick}, and they found the weakest link."

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The New York Times reported that investigators intensively questioned his children, Andrew and Amanda, now both 24. One former colleague, Dr. W. Russell Byrne, said the agents pressed Ivins' daughter repeatedly to acknowledge that her father was involved in the attacks.

"It was not an interview," Byrne said. "It was a frank attempt at intimidation."

Byrne said he believed Ivins was singled out partly because of his personal weaknesses. "If they had real evidence on him, why did they not just arrest him?"



Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.anthrax05aug05,0,7051572.story

It was possibly another tool used by Rove, etal, to try to scare the public into conforming to the reaction, and ergo, the behavior, BushCo wanted.

Another version of the Reichstag fire...

Just heard on Stephanie Miller.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6245

Since I looked last night they've added some audio.

They certainly wouldn't want to implicate a thug.

... extremely unlikely that Ivins would have targeted top Democrats just before the vote on the Patriot Act.

He would have targeted top Republicans, wouldn't he?

Killing him in an attempt to bury the whole 'anthrax terr-rist' story for good, doesn't fool us.

Unfortunately, it may fool the millions who choose not to think.

That one lone military person got the idea of testing left-leaning politicians and media media against a bioterrorist attack right after 9/11--and THEN Bush blamed it on Iran!

:headbang:
rocknation

Why else would be be afraid of being exposed to anthrax?

He's the safest government official in the world.

Source: Frederick News-Post

In Frederick, a new investigation is being launched.

Frederick Police Department detectives plan to examine a peace order and testimony from Janet Duley, a therapist who came to know Ivins while he was treated at Comprehensive Counseling Associates in Frederick, Lt. Shawn Martyak said Tuesday.

Duley, the counseling center's program director, ran group and individual sessions. She described Ivins as homicidal and threatening.

During a July 24 hearing, Duley, 45, testified in Frederick County District Court that "as far back as the year 2000, (Ivins) has actually attempted to murder several other people either through poisoning. He is a revenge killer."

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The investigation into Ivins' death is continuing and detectives have not received a final autopsy report from the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Baltimore, Martyak said.





Read more: http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?storyID=78449

from Ivins.

On the audio of the RO hearing she mentions two phone calls that Ivins made to her which were received by her as messages on her answering machine. I do not believe she ever mentioned being threatened in those phone calls.

and the FBI seems to have the recordings.

The "facts" seem to keep shifting around. In one call, she says he was upset and in the other she said he was quiet but she never says he threatens her in those messages.

:shrug:

Source: The Associated Press

Before killing himself last week, Army scientist Bruce Ivins told friends that government agents had stalked him and his family for months, offered his son $2.5 million to rat him out and tried to turn his hospitalized daughter against him with photographs of dead anthrax victims.

The pressure on Ivins was extreme, a high-risk strategy that has failed the FBI before. The government was determined to find the villain in the 2001 anthrax attacks; it was too many years without a solution to the case that shocked and terrified a post-9/11 nation.

The last thing the FBI needed was another embarrassment. Overreaching damaged the FBI's reputation in the high-profile investigations: the Centennial Olympic Park bombing probe that falsely accused Richard Jewell; the theft of nuclear secrets and botched prosecution of government scientist Wen Ho Lee; and, in this same anthrax probe, the smearing of an innocent man - Ivins' colleague Steven Hatfill.

In the current case, Ivins complained privately that FBI agents had offered his son, Andy, $2.5 million, plus "the sports car of his choice" late last year if he would turn over evidence implicating his father in the anthrax attacks, according to a former U.S. scientist who described himself as a friend of Ivins.

Read more: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20080805-1607-anthraxinvestigation.html

I mean we all know how wildly successful that is


:sarcasm:

No different from what they're doing in Gitmo, just slightly different techniques.

these people are monsters

Where the hell does the FBI get that kind of money? I'd like to see what line that appears in on the FBI budget. Congress should try to find out too.
This is nothing but an attempt to bribe someone to give false testimony. Whoever made that offer and whoever authorized should be fired and called before Congress.

he didn't do it but if you say he did we'll pay you handsomely.

When you have to bribe people that much, your motives should be suspect.

And by the way, since the FBI tried illegal methods - bribing - doesn't this sacrifice their integrity? Why should we believe them now?

is in charge!

So, let's backpedal right into the CYA garage.

"In another case, the FBI used as evidence the secrets that a person tells a therapist."

What the hell kind of sentence it THAT?

FU, FBI and Authorized Propaganda who spread these incredible rumors all over the world.

Move along. All the loose ends tied up in a neat little bow. Quit looking over there.

Source: Washington Post

Late last fall, Bruce E. Ivins was drinking a liter of vodka some nights, taking large doses of sleeping pills and anti-anxiety drugs, and typing out rambling e-mails into the early morning hours, according to a fellow scientist who helped him through this period.

It was around the time that FBI agents showed Ivins's 24-year-old daughter pictures of the victims who had died in the 2001 anthrax attacks and told her, "Your father did this," the scientist said. The agents also offered her twin brother the $2.5 million reward for solving the anthrax case -- and the sports car of his choice.

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Shortly before she sought a "peace order" against Ivins, Duley had completed 90 days of home detention after a drunken-driving arrest in December, and she has acknowledged drug use in her past.

In a 1999 interview with The Washington Post, Duley described her background as a motorcycle gang member and a drug user. "Heroin. Cocaine. PCP," said Duley, who then used the name Jean Wittman. "You name it, I did it."



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/08/05/ST2008080503796.html

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this case is coming together nicely...

:wtf:

Bastards...

:mad:

that has fed me bullshit and kept me in the dark for most of seven years. :shrug:

shades of the Hitler Youth.



Hey kid - I'm gonna give you money and a volkswagon if you turn in your father.




And we thought it would never happen again and never happen here.

now wait a minute, this guy had access to sleeping pills and anti anxiety pills and he chooses tylenol with codeine??!!! does not make sense. tylenol is deadly in very large doses but most of the time it causes brain damage and leaves the person as a vegetable. do not believe he did it, the anthrax thing. who gave him the tylenol, the other drugs? it requires a prescription even for the tylenol with codeine. ivins was handy and easy to blame. i think we need to look at cheney for this!!!!