UD student may be disciplined for Obama comments made online

Source: Dayton Daily News

DAYTON — University of Dayton officials said Tuesday, Aug. 5, they are considering charging student Justin Schaffer for a violation of the Standards of Behavior for posting offensive information on his Facebook page.

The 19-year-old son of Republican Senate candidate Bob Schaffer of Colorado on Monday apologized for an entry that had the words "High Five ... Who's Gay" over a photo of a waving Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. It also had a picture of the Pyramids with the words "Slavery Gets (expletive) Done."



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Typical UD catholic racist.
:eyes:

This kid learned how to be a racist somewhere.

:hi:

Right now I live in Dayton and love it.
:hi:

Bob Schaffer approves of slavery as well.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/5/14615/99429

I did, and I can say that although there are a plethora of minorities in and around Dayton, the suburban area I grew up in was almost entirely white at the time. I can promise this kid's racism is not abnormal.

The media has a way of excusing Republicans for despicable behavior..

. . . there was a big stink just recently about Gov. Ritter's (D) son having a beer party in the Governor's mansion. The Republicans were all over it for weeks.

This is worse, IMO.

What, we're only for free speech when it doesn't offend us?

The only part of this that I consider newsworthy is the reaction from the University.

Free speech applies to the opinions of people I find offensive.

For example:
The Catholic Bashing by the OP I find offensive.
But the OP has the right to their opinion.

Otherwise it's sort of oxymoronic.

The question at every press conference, public event, or conference call should be, "Mr. Schafer, who taught your son to be a racist?"

Racist bullshit aside, the pyramids were built by a skilled workforce of Egyptian craftsmen, not by slaves.

incredibly ignorant. Sad...

The Masons. But he's a Republican so I wouldn't expect him to up on unions.

That shouldn't be tolerated here.

This is BS. Facebook does not belong to the University so they really have no right taking punitive steps for the use of his CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to free speech. Now, the fact that his free speech makes him look like a prick?

That's his problem. :eyes:

:wave:

There's too much school/college/university policing of off-campus behavior as it stands. I'm waiting for colleges to simply forbid students to have online presences at this rate.

Both parties involved here are being idiots.

like Dayton--can set any behavioral standards it wants. If students agree to those standards as a condition of matriculation, the university is in its rights to discipline them for infractions.

poking around on Facebook and other sites and using information there to dismiss/discipline students/employees.

Those codes of conduct at the schools were designed to create and protect the learning environment at the school itself, not police what is said "off" of school grounds about a subject which has zero bearing on his academic performance.

I really, REALLY don't like this precedent. The lesson people should learn from this is to protect themselves and watch what they post online. Everything you post on Facebook, assume you just published it in a newspaper.

:shrug:

But what do I know?

If anything I'm very pro Catholic, you guys have the best festivals and I always make it a point to attend.

at the school?

You're still linking Catholicism and racism, IMO.

The poster is not at all guilty of the horseshit accusation you made.

When I was at UD, I wasn't.

Honestly, it's no business of the University of Dayton. There is such a thing as freedom of speech and last I checked most Universities are for this. If they have evidence of a specific threat or harassment of another student on campus, that's different. This student has as much right to call Obama gay as McCain has of calling his wife a cunt!!

Back off UD. The kid's an asshole and he has a right to be!!!

BTW, Obama has a good opportunity here to step in and urge that University of Dayton back off. Take the kids side against yourself. That would look really noble and at the same time ... that would completely FACE that jackass republo-brat!!!

This is an example of a bad precedent. When "hate" speech is banned the powers in charge get to decide what is "hate" speech. If calling the president an idiot is considered "hate" speech we're all in trouble.

Would you want this jerk to be your ad?

First, I don't care whose son this kid is. While the University of Dayton may be a private school, Facebook is a medium of free speech, even offensive speech, and as long as the conduct is not illegal (and even if it is for minor offenses), I think the school should mind its own business.

I watch what I say on Facebook because of who might read it. That is the best policing tool, not school punishment.

The school is free to expel him, too, because his fucked up behavior reflects on them.

Works both ways.

These almost always include rules about racially intolerant language, as well as a host of other behavior that can reflect badly on the school or that's inconsistent with the school's mission. Say what you will about Catholic schools, they were some of the first to integrate, and for much of American history were more welcoming to non-WASP students than many public schools- if he weren't an ignorant pile of crap he'd have known that his behavior, because it reflects badly on his school and violates their rules, was likely to get him tossed out on his nazi ass.

If he didn't agree to the school's rules, he should have gone to a different school. Now he's going to get the chance, and I'm not going to waste a moment feeling bad him.

I looked it up, the student standards of behavior are not yet online so I can't say for sure, but I can't imagine that this behavior was within the rules.

Jewish students "kikes" and so on, that would be OK with you. He violated the code of conduct. The 1st amendment protects you from the government, not from private entities.

.. kidnaps that stupid little douchebag and makes him clean every restroom in a tall high rise building.

"Slavery Gets Shit Done"? Yes, idiot, how do you like being a slave?

Not applicable.

the problem with these codes is how incredibly selectively they are applied. Any student who gets wasted during the weekend and walks around town drunk is probably breaking some aspect of their school's code. In this case, someone deserving got the hammer, but something is niggling in my mind that this school acted because they didn't want bad PR over this incident, not because they are actually intending on enforcing conduct codes, especially on mediums like Facebook. In order for any code or law to be fair, its application and standards must be fair. The reason why these codes rarely get any press is because they are hardly ever enforced, and when they are it is done to quietly and sometimes as a reason for getting rid of people they want gone for other reasons.

Have you SEEN a typical student's facebook profile? Chock full of sex, pictures of underage drinking, and every kind of group and political affiliation you can imagine.

I just looked up my own alma mater's code of student responsibility and I'm wondering how many frat boys got busted and punished for hazing? :shrug: Not too many, I'm sure.