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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:07 PM
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Man heckles Obama about Pledge of Allegiance
Source: Breitbart.com/AP

BEREA, Ohio (AP) - A man who wore press credentials and took photographs from a platform interrupted Barack Obama's town-hall meeting Tuesday by shouting complaints that the Democratic presidential candidate had not called for the audience to say the Pledge of Allegiance.
Obama invited the heckler to lead the audience in the pledge, and he did.

Attendees at the gathering in the gymnasium at Baldwin Wallace College in this Cleveland suburb rose to their feet and recited the pledge. "Thank you, sir, appreciate it," Obama told the man.

The man, who carried a large, professional-style telephoto lens, was among photographers and videographers on the main press platform at one end of the gym. He wore what appeared to be the regular daily news media credential the campaign issues local news media members who cover the Illinois senator at a single events.

Campaign officials said they did not know who the man was, and no effort was made to remove him. He continued taking photographs throughout Obama's appearance.


Read more: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92CBG885&show_article=1



A protester even disguised as a newsperson would've never gotten in to a Bush or McCain rally. Good for Obama campaign for letting him stay and the cool way Obama handled it. Guess Obama now has to lead every rally with the Pledge. Geeesh!
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:10 PM
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1. Great response by Obama. nt
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:12 PM
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3. yes. it was. nt
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:47 PM
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35. he always seems to handle such things well n/t
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:11 PM
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2. no effort was made to remove him.
no effort was made to remove him.
no effort was made to remove him.
no effort was made to remove him.
no effort was made to remove him.
no effort was made to remove him.
no effort was made to remove him.
no effort was made to remove him.
no effort was made to remove him.
no effort was made to remove him.
no effort was made to remove him.

Do you get it, you fascist republican pigs?

Do you get the difference?
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ladym55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:39 PM
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26. Hmm, did the media cover THAT part???
Just curious.
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:17 PM
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4. great..so it's actually a total non-story. Well done Obama.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:20 PM
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5. Anyone got pics of that "photographer"?


Parlock?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:27 PM
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8. Parlock?
:D

:thumbsup:
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:35 PM
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11. Photo of the jerk can be seen here
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:47 PM
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19. Here's better...
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 06:54 PM by IanDB1




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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:18 PM
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23. Here's bigger and clearer
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:23 PM
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24. Thanks! n/t
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:36 PM
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31. I pledge my allegiance to the constitution of the United States !!!!

I pledge my Allegiance to the words,
of the constitution of the United States.
And to the principles for which it stands,
freedom of speech and of dissent,
quite amendable,
with liberty and justice for those who read it!


I don't pledge my allegiance to any flag. It's pretty, but it is just a symbol. It can have any meaning superimposed upon it. Sure you can wordsmith the constitution, but it's hard to completely redefine it.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:44 PM
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34. Plus, the pledge as it stands is unfuckingconstitutional with its reference to "gawd".
Inserted in the 50s thanks to McCarthyites and KKKlan fans, at that!

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tomhayes Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:21 PM
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6. Wow, what a lame response
Why not tell the truth and call the guy a brain-dead idiot and slap him in the face? He CLEARLY deserved that.
-or-
Why not have Obama say the pledge each time he enters a new building? Make sure he's got on flag pins too!

What a nation of fools we live in.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:23 PM
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7. Yes, he deserved it, but what he got was *much* more effective. nt
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:37 PM
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13. Or he could have said, "Get me an ICE TEA, M-Fer!!"
:eyes:

NGU.



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tomhayes Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:44 PM
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17. (I get the referenced to O'reily) But if McCain slapped him
IT would play huge.

But this brain-dead patriotism-as-mental-disease stuff like The Pledge of Allegiance is lame as hell.

Can anyone now demand the pledge be said at any Obama event??????
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:39 AM
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38. Obama completely diffused the jerk's attempt to turn it into an issue
The guy was a plant and behaved like a typical Repub ass. But Obama handled it with grace and made him leave empty-handed. Best result possible.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:33 PM
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9. Oh, my...
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 06:35 PM by IanDB1




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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:34 PM
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10. It's a good photo op for Obama
They ought to get that on the Nightly News.

Everytime someone brings up the BS Pledge charge they can just remind people of this moment
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:36 PM
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12. When Obama ran for the Senate in 2004, a photographer followed him everywhere.
He was a Republican and working for the Jack Ryan campaign.

It's probably not the same guy, but no doubt a similar tactic by the McCain campaign or some other right-wing group.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:38 PM
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14. I know this may be a silly question...
But does McCain say The Pledge at HIS Town Hall meetings?

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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:43 PM
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16. Goddamnit!
He was a prisoner of war, so he DOESN'T have to say it! How DARE you question his patriotism and loyalty! :sarcasm:
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:28 PM
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25. Or wear a flag pin
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:42 PM
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15. humph ... press credentials, and they say "John Q. Public"? A question ...
did he SHOUT "UNDER GOD!!!", or did he just say the two words?

He was looking for the "Don't tase me bro!" moment ... no doubt ...
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 06:45 PM
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18. Goofball accused a local reporter of lacking patriotism
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 06:45 PM by RamboLiberal
A slightly odd moment at the beginning of Barack Obama's event in Berea, OH, when a man on the press riser -- apparently a photographer -- began loudly demanding that the crowd recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

The crowd began to chant, drowning the man out, but Obama -- perhaps sensing a moment of peril -- quickly shushed them, and led the crowd in the Pledge.

"We usually do an invocation and a pledge before we start," he said. "I don’t know why we didn’t, but this young man reminded us."

A spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, said Obama was referring to invocations that take place as the events open, and before Obama arrives.

The Pledge aficionado refused to give his name to reporters, but did take the time to accuse a member of the local press of lacking patriotism.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/The_pledge_in_Berea.html?showall

It does make me nervous that a goofball like this got a press pass to an Obama event. How well is the Secret Service doing their job????????
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:01 PM
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20. I know you all think that guy was a nut, and I do too, but you also need to realize
Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 07:04 PM by napi21
that he gave Barack a boost with his antics. It gave people another chance to see how Barack handles dissenters and opposition. That's a GOOD THING! It also shows that he & his campaign are not the paranoid idiots like Shrub & McNuts who won't even let people INTO their speeches who they think might create a disturbance. Ironically, there was an article TODAY about a black reporter who was tossed out of the McNut town Hall. He really WAS a reporter but the goons on duty had him removed...saying he was in the wrong place...yet none of the other reporters who were in the same area were removed!

edit to include a link

A reporter for the Tallahassee Democrat suspects he was removed from a John McCain event last week in Panama City, Florida because he is black. A statement from a McCain campaign "advance man" claimed that race was not involved.

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/344



All those things that you might consider trivial (and they are) will change some voter's minds. People who weren't sure about him just might be convinced that he DOES do a good job handling confrontation!
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ladym55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:44 PM
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27. That reporter was on Countdown last night
And commented that a friend said he was "guilty of reporting while Black."

I wish that had gotten more coverage.
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 07:10 PM
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21. Do you think he is the ace report for Talon News? Jeff Gannon is his editor? I'm just saying...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:03 PM
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22. We should restore the original Pledge of Allegiance--the one without GAWD
It was a Freeper Congress that stuck the GAWD clause on what had been a secular and unifying Pledge of Allegiance.

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 08:52 PM
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28. Red Skelton would hate your guts.
Remember that lame song he recorded near the end of his career? "In the years since I was a boy they added two words. 'Under God.' Wouldn't it be a shame if someone said 'That's a prayer' and they took that out too?"

That song is still beloved by the right wing, for whom Red Skelton was the last white comedian they could truly trust.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:06 PM
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29. God didn't save Red Skelton's son from dying of leukemia
We shouldn't believe in ancient superstitions.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:09 PM
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30. I've been to dozens, maybe HUNDREDS, of political speeches
And never once did the audience say the pledge of allegiance.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:15 PM
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37. Me too. Never have seen the Pledge. n/t
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:41 PM
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32. wow, he is good!
that was the absolute right response - a true uniter not divider!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 09:42 PM
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33. I cannot stand jingoistic idiots like that fucker.
NT!

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 10:14 PM
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36. Next time, it'll be the pledge and the National Anthem.
Then God Bless America.

Then a prayer.

Then a church service.

Then an altar call.

Then Jesus will come back and smite all their sanctimonious asses.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:36 AM
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39. Obama is a pro at handling hecklers, remember he was a professor
dealing with ego centric students. :)
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:27 AM
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40. Fukin Republican Talking Points And Phrases
Obama had awesome response

Saying pledge or no, does not make you patriot.........

:hi:
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:37 AM
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41. Obama's a class act, no doubt about it.
:)
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:19 PM
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42. Bwahahahahaha!
That idiot ended up looking like the dipshit that he is.
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Lifetimedem Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:27 PM
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43. This is one of those situations
where I bet the "protester" wished he had kept his mouth shut..he handed Barack a huge PR victory...
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:29 PM
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44. More Evidence of America's Decline: False Patriotism
True patriotism is actively doing something that improves your nation. It's volunteering, donating, organizing, etc. It's not blindly reciting words.

However, we currently live in a time wherein our media panders to this ignorance and calls it "campaign issue".

The end result is that America continues to decline because Americans foolishly believe that reciting a pledge or wearing a flag pin is tantamount to being patriotic when it can't be any further from the truth.

When nations cling to myths over reality, they're not progressing, and when you don't progress, you lag behind and become obsolete.
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raebrek Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:33 PM
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45. Maybe I'm a nut bird but this makes me uneasy
Not that he asked about the pledge of allegiance. Not how Obama handled it. That know one knew who this fellow was or if truly working for the news then which one? If security is good then where did this guy come from? If this one slipped in then who will be next?

Raebrek!!!
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:36 PM
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46. how did that assclown gop plant even get a press pass?
he had to have 'borrowed' it from someone...

i also like that he was too brave to give his name, too....

even with those factors in his favor, and no efforts being made to remove him, he STILL completely botched his effort to make obama look bad...
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 03:43 PM
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49. He was surely a plant - if Obama had refused to say the pledge... BAM!!!
As we all know, it's cumbersome to lead every event with the pledge. And if Obama had said no, it's not the practice to do that, or no, it's too much bother, or anything like that, Obama would have been toast, pilloried like Hillary, for ever more in the MSM.

Personally, I think this was a Rove plot. Now we have to turn it against them. Someone, code pink?, should be at all his town hall meetings and press conferences and also demand that McCain lead every town hall meeting and every press conference with the pledge of allegiance.

And when/if he doesn't he should be attacked vehemently for not being in love with America.

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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 12:41 PM
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47. You know this douchebag was having wet dreams about becoming
Fox News' latest martyr, and getting to do the whole Fixed Noise chat show circuit where he could get interviewed by his idols O'Reilly, Hannity and the whole Fox & Fiends morning zoo crew!

Obama defused that bomb with the manual skills of a microsurgeon!!
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 01:00 PM
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48. Obama knows how to deal with hecklers
President Clinton was good about that, also. Repubs just get the heckler thrown out, maybe roughed up in the process.
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