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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:01 AM
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Lamb Slaughter Rankles Va. Community
The custom of sacrificing lambs to mark the end of the Muslim hajj has caused controversy in the rural Prince William County town of Haymarket, where some residents say an illegal slaughterhouse is being operated in their neighborhood.

The issue is a pen that contained dozens of lambs that were being killed yesterday and then sold to families celebrating Islam's most sacred holiday, Eid-al-Adha, which commemorates sacrifice at the end of the annual pilgrimage to Mecca.

Neighbors said they were outraged over the animals' treatment. They alerted authorities, complained to police about the traffic and expressed concerns about possible environmental damage.

Kim D. Chinn, a Prince William police spokeswoman, said officers were at the scene directing traffic. "Evidently, there's a lot of people out there," Chinn said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4106-2004Feb1.html
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:15 AM
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1. never mind if it were a turkey shoot
or an ox roast...
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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:49 AM
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9. Paper targets are used at Turkey Shoots
nothing gets killed.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:47 PM
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14. not where I'm from
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:15 AM
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2. they maybe right
Edited on Mon Feb-02-04 12:16 AM by rchsod
about the illegal slaughterhouse. it`s not a good idea. they really should open their own plant or find a plant that will slaughter meat according to religous laws.
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:15 AM
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3. Outraged over the lambs' treatment?
Do these people have any clue what goes on in commercial slaughterhouses?

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/022.smt.html

A few words may be said about the way how an animal should be slaughtered according to the teachings of Islam. Three are the aims which should be kept before the mind while slaughtering the animal:

It should be slaughtered by reciting the name of Allah and glorifying Him.

It should be slaughtered with a sharp knife so that its jugular vein may be cut with the minimum possible pain and its skin should not be removed and limbs should not be cut so long as there is any sign of life in it.

The head should not be removed from the body abruptly but only the jugular vein should be cut so that even the last drop of blood flows out of its body. If the animal is beheaded with a stroke, the blood congeals in its veins which makes the flesh distasteful and pernicious to health.

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:19 AM
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4. Thank you & more importantly, the animal must remain calm
and not suffer from fear. It's a LOT more humane than what goes on in our slaughterhouses. The meat tastes a lot better too.

Thanks
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:21 AM
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5. Halal animals cannot be cannibals, they have to have a halal diet

so if you are concerned about mad cow, halal beef is a good choice. It tastes better too.

It is also interesting that so far, there have been no reports of bird flu in Malaysia or Indonesia, where most of the chickens are halal.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 03:20 PM
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24. Thanks for the advice
I knew halal meat had to be slaughtered in a particular way but I didn't know the animals had to have a special diet too. I'll have to check out the local Pakistani markets around my way. All this chicken's been driving me nuts. :)

The story? More Islamophobia at work, pure and simple. Seems like so many people are just itching to be outraged about some Muslim thing or another. :shrug:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:28 AM
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7. well done, thank you!
The unexamined life presents a multitude of absurdities.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 01:34 PM
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21. IT's easy to be comfortable and blind in one's own righteous indignation
it also makes one woefully ignorant of issues that aren't revolving around their little, small worlds, when the world is far bigger than their little stages.

The way in which they slaughter the sheep is far more humane than what they do to chickens, cows and pigs in a a rendering plant.
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mn9driver Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:25 AM
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6. My Aunt and Uncle owned a sheep farm years ago
and selling lambs to Muslims at this time of year was one of their biggest moneymakers. We set up a slaughtering and butchering shed for them. A couple of points here:

1. Most of these folks were extremely competent at this task. It is possible to humanely dispatch a food animal via bloodletting, and they were better at it than anybody else I knew.

2. The lambs weren't "sacrificed" in the sense that killing them was the main point. They were ritually slaughtered and used as a feast to commemorate a holiday. Just like we buy big-ass frozen turkeys for Thanksgiving dinner, but with a bit more reverence.

3. Generally, the families who bought the lambs also slaughtered them-it's sort of traditional. I got the impression that buying an already slaughtered lamb might be considered sort of a cop out.

4. I never had to clean up after them. The area was always spotless when they left. It was always a pleasure doing business with these folks.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:14 PM
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10. Thanks for that insight Mn9driver
and welcome to DU :toast:
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saoirse Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:29 AM
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8. Interesting perspectives
Like they say on those public service announcements:

"The more you know..."


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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:16 PM
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11. Which is what differentiates us from the intolerant...
just the exposure to information and willingness to absorb it.

Let us have a run of Free Republic for 6 months and we could easily convert 75% of them.

Every once in a while I pop in with a gem and they're usually very well received. They haven't caught on for two years ;)
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:36 PM
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12. You are a saint, And much politer than me

I don't even bother registering on there, I would call them all anal-dwelling buttmonkeys within 2 minutes and have them calling TIPS and I would feel guilty about insulting the anal-dwelling buttmonkey community and have to write a letter of apology to CBS and the NFL.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:44 PM
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13. Lol... There are many openings though
There are certain subjects that I've noticed where only the Extreme Right and the Extreme Left bother with details. It can make for very interesting and enlightening discussions.

There are threads though... Most... that one had best avoid!
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 12:51 AM
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15. What about Cheney's "canned' pheasant hunt?
Where was the outrage? Leg of lamb is mighty tasty!
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 01:37 AM
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16. tasty? alot of people find non animals products"tasty"
and some people would eat the family cat or dog if they thought they'd get a good "taste"out of it...just like some people would molest innocent victims such as children (if they thought they wouldn't get caught) just to get a good "nut".
Look at the sex tourism business--Neil; Bush loves doin it!!

So what's my point?
Animals are children in comparison to humans. We should not allow it to be such a common thing to allow their suffering so that a few of us can get a good "taste".

That's my point-We surround ourselves in blood in our daily lives(via McDonalds etc.,) and wonder like idiots why such awful things happen in the world (catastrophic killings of humans).
Let's evolve a bit our of the reptilian Barbaric age.
Quit supporting the killing. Don't eat any 'body'.
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 07:23 AM
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17. We surround ourselves in blood in our daily lives.
That we do. Death surounds us each and every second, but for most of western society, we are insulated from it.
We, as a whole, do everything we can to seperate ourselves from the amount of death that our modern society costs. We look away from the aging and dying, most refusing to acknowledging the mortality of ourselves and others, while we worship youth.

And yes, our society has hidden from the masses the real "cost" of our food. Animals have become a commodity that we never see or need to acknowledge until the end product arrives between 2 buns. We never need to see the auctial animal, never need to acknowledge that a life was taken for that burger, or fish filet, never needing to acknowlegeing any gratefulness for the loss of that life to fuel our own. Some of us attempt to convince ourselves we are somehow better because we don't eat slaughtered meat, while ignoring the large numbers of innocent animals who are killed using modern harvesting techniques. A combine cares not if it is a stalk of corn, or a rabbit or sparrow. We eat our soy burgers, never thinking that animals probably died in the harvesting of the beans.. We don't consider that the bean plant was once a living thing, whose proteins are now becoming one with our body so we may live.

In the end, something must die so you may live. And, inevitably we shall die become fuel for something else. Our barbarism lies not in the fact the we must kill to servive, but in our desire to sanitise ourselves from the fact.

Something must die so you may live, Animal or vegitable. We should acknowledge that, and be grateful.

peace
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 10:04 AM
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18. Great post.
We roll over animals in our SUVs on freeways to hurry, hurry, hurry up and not even a thought to the destruction that is wrought. The carcasses of once-precious creatures with life become obliterated by the hurry, hurry, hurry and meld into the concrete, yet millions pass overhead to hurry, hurry, hurry up on the cell phone and hate-filled spewing AM radio . . . . Does anyone remember? Does anyone know? What have we done? Was it Twain or Da Vinci who said that he who knows no respect for life does not deserve it?
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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 10:31 AM
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19. vegetarians and vegans still create less "collateral damage"
Edited on Tue Feb-03-04 10:31 AM by veganwitch
than your average meat-eater. 50%+ corn and wheat in the US is grown for animal feed. so that combine is killing mice to feed cows that will be killed.

i just wanted to add that.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 01:51 PM
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22. Yup... it's called grade 3 yellow corn FM
the FM stands for "foreign material"--such as mice, rodents, and the bugs they're after. It's usually used for feed.


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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 01:53 PM
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23. Well said.
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BraveDave Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 11:32 AM
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20. "expressed concerns about possible environmental damage"
lol.:tinfoilhat:
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