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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:40 PM
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DPS: At least 9 dead, 10 injured in accident near Florence(AZ)
Source: AZcentral.com

Nine people are dead and 10 others injured after the SUV they were riding in rolled over Thursday morning about 20 miles south of Florence.

The nine survivors were flown to Arizona hospitals from the scene on State Route 79 just north of the Tom Mix Memorial, the Department of Public Safety said. Their conditions and the cause of the accident are unknown.

There were 19 passengers in the 1998 GMC SUV when the collision occurred around 9:15 a.m. at mile post 117, DPS spokesperson Carmen A. Figueroa said.

Figueroa said the one-vehicle collision is on the right side of the roadway and both southbound and northbound lanes are temporarily closed.

An investigation is ongoing.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/pinal/articles/2008/08/07/20080807abrk-fatalaccident0807.html



Local news is reporting that this is another case of human smuggling, I hope the "coyotes" are among the dead. Now Arizona gets to pay the hospital bills for another bunch of illegals.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:46 PM
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1. Meanwhile, the people who contracted for the delivery
of that human cargo will get by with a knowing wink. Big woop, brown people are expendable.

Human trafficking is big business in this country. Coyotes are the sleazes who get them across the border and tell them where to wait to be picked up. Organized crime does the transport.

Condolences on having YOUR MUNNNNEEEE go to heal the casualties of organized crime on both sides of the border. Compassion sucks, doesn't it?
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:48 PM
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2. Not all illegals are smuggled for pre-existing work....
seems even less likely in AZ where construction has pretty much dried up.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:50 PM
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3. Don't kid yourself
They're going to meat processing plants all over the country, sweatshop manufacturing in the northeast and around Chicago, and a few are slated for ag work.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 02:04 PM
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4. Why would you pay someone to bring people across the....
border when there is usually a gang standing and waiting on the block. Generally, the way coyotes work is that they charge the illegal immigrants thousands of dollars a piece to ride in jam-packed trailer or another mode of transportation. Dallas has taught me a lot.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 02:12 PM
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5. The people who come across the border pay the coyotes
The people who pick them up on this side of the border are delivering warm bodies to employers.

Get it?

Those guys in the Home Depot parking lot are either ag workers or other industrial workers who got away when the place was raided or who walked away when they were cheated.

Greenhorns who don't know the score on wages are the best workers scumbag employers can hope for.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 02:16 PM
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6. That just isn't true...
I've met scores of illegals in TX. Some were just dropped off on a corner. Some literally just walked/swam across the Rio Grande and kept walking. I've never met any who were dropped off at an employer. Many illegals are fleeing AZ right now due to lack of work. I've seen it somewhat in TX too. A few of my neighbors have packed up their houses and just left.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 02:24 PM
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7. They're dropped on the other side of the border
and pointed in the right direction and given landmarks here in NM. Sadly, many don't have enough water with them and don't make it. Others are robbed of what little they have by narcotics smugglers using the same trails.

There is a reason vans, trucks, moving vans, and other vehicles into which human beings can be crammed without food, water or sanitation are stopped frequently on our highways.

This is big business. Failing to understand that means failing to deal with it when we are finally in a position to do so.

The focus has to be on the employers and on the criminals transporting the workers they want to exploit.

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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 02:26 PM
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8. Big business for the coyotes...
No disagreement there.
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Juneboarder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 02:38 PM
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10. Wrong...
This WAS a big business... with our trying economic times things have changed quite a bit. This is something that they could have focused on in the past, but really... are you going to work the fields that you say that are working? Are you going to labor like they do? Probably not, so my thoughts are let those that want to work in this fashion come over and do it. Too bad they don't want to come the US as much anymore and are going to Europe...
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 02:50 PM
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11. Agreed -- for a good look at how this all works
watch the movie "Fast Food Nation". If that's too serious try "A Day Without A Mexican".
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 05:21 PM
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13. That may not happen in Dallas...
but it sure happens here.

A few months ago we had a shoot out under a major highway intersection between 2 dueling coyotes over disputed workers. Thank God no one got shot by the flying bullets. This kind of thing will make it's way northward, believe me. This happens alot in the hispanic section of town. Mom said that lots of the abandon houses are now being used as halfway houses. The reason so many trucks and vans are stolen here in Texas is they are smuggled into Mexico to pick up 'cargo'.

Warpy speaks the truth. And some town across the border have even more problems. Ranchers have their livestock killed and crops damaged for all the traffic. It is crazy. They need to start giving jail time to the folks hiring these illegals (and be forced to pay higher wages). The guys at the corners are just too sharp to fall for this-but even they get ripped off occasionally. AZ has come down hard in penalizing those that hire illegals-like lose your contractor license tough. So yes, there is some of that but many, esp if they have relatives here in this country-get drooped off in unmarked vans and trucks.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 05:49 PM
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14. Huh?
Sounds like you are agreeing with me more than not.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 06:37 PM
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15. You're correct, AnneD. And Warpy.
I live in Pinal County, AZ. Florence is the county seat. I know the road where this happened.

Allow me to address a couple of issues, since I seem to be in soapbox mode today anyway.

First of all, if we didn't have such a totally fucked up economy, we'd have more than enough money to pay for the emergency health care of these people and anyone else injured on our highways. We've got a system right now where a few people have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more money than they need, billions and billions and fucking billions, and because they want to continue to make more billions, they've got us demonizing people who have NOTHING.

The "illegals" didn't fuck up our economy; the uber-wealthy did, the hedge fund managers and CEOs and bond traders and all the other shruggers who are in the process of systematically destroying our economy, our country, and our society.

Second, Arizona's economy has ALWAYS depended on less-than-minimum-wage workers. From citrus and cotton farming to construction to tourism, this place couldn't function the way it has without low-wage workers. While the state legislature makes noise about enforcing the penalties against employers who knowingly -- wink, wink, nod, nod, knowwhatImeanknowwhatImean -- keep "illegals" on the payroll, and while that disgusting piece of shit Arpaio blusters about keeping crime down as an excuse to round up anyone guilty of being brown, there will always be an economic need for them BECAUSE the haves don't want to share.

The same people who think nothing of shelling out $500/night for a resort hotel would scream bloody murder if the price went to $550 TO PAY A LIVING WAGE TO LEGAL HOUSEKEEPERS, POOL BOYS, LANDSCAPERS, etc.

Again, don't blame the poor. Don't blame those who have mortgaged their futures, given $10,000 to a coyote so they can escape the grinding poverty of their homes in Mexico and Guatemala and Bolivia and Colombia and Nicaragua. They are only guilty of being poor -- and sometimes forced into poverty by the same corporations that used to pay Americans good wages until NAFTA let them go south of the border and hire Mexicans for $2/hour -- and of having dreams.

Seems to me there are a lot of "legals" here who could be guilty of the same things.

Tansy Gold

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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:59 PM
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16. now don't be taking a bigpicture view of this shit
logic and reasoning have no place in the discussion of this issue!

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Juneboarder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 02:36 PM
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9. Now, now...
no need to lump all "illegal aliens" into one category. Illegal immigrants come over for many different reasons. Some pay coyotes and sneak across for work, some sneak across themselves and meet up with family that has been here, some have their Visas and just stay here when they are supposed to go back, some...

The point being that they are not all being herded; especially when our economy is tanking. Those looking for the bucks are going to other countries right now because we're dry.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 04:53 PM
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12. they are only passing through
pretty hard to hire illegals here
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 01:49 AM
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18. Yeah, I have compassion
But not for criminals. Coyotes or illegals, they're two halves of the same crime.

It's not just brown people who are expendable. The white, black, and yellow people getting killed by the brown gangs/drug dealers are expendable, just as long as people can get that cheap labor.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:19 AM
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17. I've driven that highway many times
Scenic, but dangerous. The Tom Mix Memorial is there because that is where he died in an auto accident in 1940.

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