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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:53 PM
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POW mate calls McCain 'liar' over 'turncoat' charge
Source: Orange County Register

Former Orange County Supervisor Edison Miller is lashing out at John McCain, saying the presidential candidate falsely fingered him as a turncoat who was "actively aiding the enemy" while the two were imprisoned during the Vietnam War.

"He lied about me," said the Irvine resident, who retired as a Marine Corps colonel shortly after the war. "The attacks on my character and integrity are totally without merit or justification. I did stand up and say the war was wrong. I would speak against the war, but I never spoke against my country. And I gave up no secrets."

In McCain's book, "Faith of My Fathers," the Republican presidential candidate writes about two "camp rats" who "had lost their faith completely."

"They not only stopped resisting but apparently crossed a line no other prisoner I knew had even approached," McCain wrote. "They were collaborators, actively aiding the enemy."

While McCain did not name the two in the book, Miller and Walter Eugene Wilber are identified as the POWs in question in a June 15 New York Times story on McCain's 1974 essay about POW traitors. Miller said the newspaper story brought McCain's claims to his attention.

Read more: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/miller-mccain-war-2121488-pow-says
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:56 PM
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1. Oh, that John... always projecting... eom
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:56 PM
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:01 PM
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7. No Self Respecting Cock Would Allow McAssCarrot To Suck It
Lying sack of shit is what he is.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:22 PM
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10. ROFL.....
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:18 PM
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29. come on binka......tell us how you really feel...!
i take everything is going well with your family...now it seems like a long time ago
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:21 PM
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9. Well said, sir!
Exactly what I was thinking. After WWII, veterans didn't write books about their POW experiences and point fingers at others who had been captured.

I can't believe McNasty did this.
I'm surprised his face is still on his head!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:23 PM
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11. So, McNuts couldn't forgive anyone he came in contact with 35 years ago!!
Not even his fellow POWs!!

That says more about the total lack of character of John McNasty than anything else!!
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:57 PM
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3. Looks Like McCain forgot one
He forgot to name himself as one of the "rats"! But, I guess when daddy is an admiral you can be a rat and get away with it!!!
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:04 PM
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20. On a side note, are you a fan of the "Dune" series?
Just noticed your name.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:59 PM
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4. I wonder if McCain intentionally left out Miller's name in his book.
Note that the NYT, not McCain, named Miller.

I wonder if McCain was possibly talking about himself.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:00 PM
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5. mccane squealed like a pig when he was a pow
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:29 PM
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51. I heard him called John "songbird" McCain. I wasn't there so I can't say if
that name is justified.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:01 PM
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6. The beatings will continue until morale improves
While McCain did not name the two in the book, Miller and Walter Eugene Wilber are identified as the POWs in question in a June 15 New York Times story on McCain's 1974 essay ...

Read more: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/miller-mccain-war-21...

he wrote an essay ?
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:03 PM
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8. Do we get to Swiftboat McCain this time? n/t
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:25 PM
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13. I personally believe any touching of this sacrosanct topic would be
political poison for us. Which pisses me off, but I think it's best if we stay away from this. Look at the outrage over Clark's statement and he was NOT criticizing McCain's service at all.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:29 PM
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16. This is totally new information and it exposes what a lowlife piece of shit McCain really is.
This asshole would sell his own mother's soul to the devil if he could.

This is really bad for McCain.
It is not officer material, nor presidential material.
This is super bad shit to say about a fellow POW.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:56 PM
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19. Oh - I agree - and I agreed with the other stuff out there which indicated
the same thing. But -- I'm looking at this strategically/objectively here -- most people have an emotional view of our POWs. It's difficult separate our emotion from our logical thinking.

And we (non-POWs) are probably less able to do that than you (POW), for some strange reason.

I'm glad you came home. I hope you're okay. :hug:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:10 PM
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21. This info didn't come from a swiftboat liar, it came from a former POW who is a Marine!!
While I, on the other hand, was not a POW.

If Colonel Miller wants to take some shots at McNasty for calling him "a camp rat", I'll gladly help him.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:18 PM
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23. Self Delete - I don't know what I'm talking about. nt
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 07:36 PM by gateley
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:01 PM
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26. I agree, but if those who were there want to speak, more power to them.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 10:40 AM
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59. The "outrage" was media-generated, of course.
Too bad they didn't have the same outrage when Kerry was attacked.

But you're right; the media would lead the charge if we got anywhere close to that subject. Personally, I don't know if McLame was a songbird or not. I DO think he was a lousy pilot who lost several planes, however.

Bake
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:12 PM
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40. It's not swiftboating when it's the truth. (n/t)
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:24 PM
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12. So, Will These Two Get the Same Air Time the unSwift Boat Characters Did?
Not this republican owned media
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:08 PM
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27. Exactly! Let's start our own TV news network. nt
Can you even imagine? As is we have no fairness, only a pretend fairness that dupes the public.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:22 PM
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31. What? With no houses exchanging hands?
This person talking against McSame takes no new suits, and has not found a great deal on a new house along with finding a great deal in selling his old house. So, what possible importance could there be to anything he has to say?

Besides no person from any company wanting to make a lot of money from our taxes has funded even a YouTube.com commercial which only needs to show once and then these guys could on morning shows and lie lie lie.

Just ask T. Boone Pickens.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:34 PM
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33. It's a different story
Swiftboat was former soldiers attacking Kerry. This is McCain attacking former soldiers.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:25 PM
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14. It's inconscionable that McNasty would write a book and make anonyomous charges like that.
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 06:26 PM by Major Hogwash
And then name them when he is running for the Presidency!!

Christ, how low can McNasty go?
Seriously, this is as low as I've ever seen anyone go on the national stage before.
This is "bottom of the barrel shit" here.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:44 PM
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34. McCains plane was hit in the wing by a SAM
That indicates he may have been flying level, in a plane that was quite maneuverable, with a good sized wing and good power. The SAM took his right wing off.

SAMs were good for forcing a pilot to dump his bombs, as he went evasive, diving past the upcoming SAM. Pilots who dove became targets for AAA, the vast majority of A-4 loses were from AAA, only 32 A-4 pilots were shot down by SAMs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-4_Skyhawk

Doctrine was to dive past the SAM, but not too low, to avoid the AAA. SO what happened ?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:26 PM
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15. The irony is, McCain gave military info before they even started torturing him.
By his own account, he talked simply to get medical treatment for a broken leg.

He's a fine one to call his fellow a "rat".
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:25 PM
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24. McRat defines ratitude. nt
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:33 PM
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17. Remember how they tried to portray Kerry as having gone to Vietnam only
to pad his resume for a run for the White House? (Conveniently ignoring the fact that no future presidential wannabe would consider giving sworn testimony against what was going on in Vietnam ...)

Seems like the "over-the-hill" McCain wanted to pad his resume by getting a few flights in over Vietnam ... and f*cked up major league ...
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:13 PM
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54. He was bombing
civilians to pad his record with the hope of remaining in the Navy and carrying the family tradition.
When told he wasn't admiral material he went into politics.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:39 PM
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18. McLiar
He's sold his soul for rock-n-roll - so much for the maverick war hero...
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:12 PM
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22. McSame is more amoral than Smirk
I didn't think that was possible, except within prison walls.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:47 PM
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25. He will do anything!!!!!!!!
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:10 PM
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28. Definate feel of Rove here.
The whole *ANG thing wasn't nearly this sticky.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:22 PM
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30. this guy seems to be the real deal.......
johnny boy is in trouble........will the republicans throw him overboard?
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:28 PM
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32. so is the librul media all over this ??
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:16 PM
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43. Are you holding your breath right now?
If so, you might want an emergency oxygen tank on hand.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:44 PM
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35. Project much?
Me thinks thou doth protest too much, McNasty.

One finger pointed out, four pointed back at you. Typical crazy, projects his guilt onto others and devotes life to chasing down "traitors". all along, traitor is looking back at him in mirror.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:54 PM
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38. You're real funny
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And according to your profile, you don't even exist! :rofl:
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 06:54 AM
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55. I don't?
Crap. I hate that.....:-) Not existing, I mean.

I like all your laughing dudes; I have no idea how to do all of that.
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metamars Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:50 PM
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36. McCain called "scumbag" by conservative analyst
That can't be good....


Trifkovic on McCain http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=652

John McCain is the most dangerous man in today’s America because this likely next occupant of the White House combines a muddled world outlook with an imbalanced personality, limited intelligence, and low character. Like Vladimir Ilich Lenin or Ted Kaczynski, he needs dehumanized adversaries and loves to hate, never mind the ideology. He pours scorn on powerful countries such as Russia or China, or weak ones such as Serbia, not because it makes any sense from the point of view of this country’s security interests, but because they resist—or may resist—what his archneoconservative advisor Robert Kagan terms America’s Benevolent Global Hegemony. He screams at his subordinates, red in the face and foaming at the mouth, and calls them names. He graduated 894th of 899 from the Naval Academy in Annapolis and famously lost five jets over Vietnam before finally being taken prisoner. He has taken money from his party’s declared enemies while simultaneously seeking that same party’s presidential nomination.

In brief, it is unsurprising that John McCain has attracted the attention of, and found a benefactor in, one of the most evil men in the world, George Soros.

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This country’s problems are huge, but they are not insoluble. It is as possible and necessary to control the borders at home and to spend no more than is earned as it is possible and necessary to disengage from foreign entanglements that do not contribute to the well-being and security of the United States. It is possible and necessary to establish a realistic balance between ends and means in American foreign and security policy on the basis of the Golden Rule.

John McCain does not understand this because he is obtuse. He will refuse to consider its merits because he is deluded and bellicose. He will not accept any responsibility for the consequences of that refusal because he is morally challenged. Like Napoleon III in 1870, Franz Josef in 1914, or Leonid Brzehnev in 1979, he will try to prop up an ailing empire with reckless diplomatic gambles and military adventures. The results will be similar, or worse.

May God help us all.


The "scumbag" smack-down is from http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=657

“So should we vote for Obama?” Having devoted some thousands of words to the unveiling of John McCain low character and sordid record, online and in the current issue of Chronicles, I am asked this question with some regularity. Of course not, I reply; being anti-cancer does not make one pro-HIV. McCain is a neurotic scumbag; his opponent is a destructor.


The McCain-Soros-Huffington connection is further described here: http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/?p=636
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:12 PM
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41. Wow--Trifkovic sounds BITTER, really BITTER
I'll bet he sleeps with a bible and a Smith&Wesson.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:10 PM
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47. He lost me at "likely next occupant of the White House." -nt
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:17 AM
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63. Lost me at "one of the most evil men in the world, George Soros."
I mean, I understand if you're an unthinking right-wing goon and you think Soros is the grand liberal money man, but one of the most evil men in the world? While Rove and Cheney walk the earth? Fucking please.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:15 PM
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:05 PM
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53. How is Obama a traitor to Progressives?
If Obama was beholden to the powers that be, the powers that be (MSM and Corporations) wouldn't be sinking so much money in trying to defeat him.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:52 PM
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37. no special treatment for the silver spoon John THE BUSH REPUBLICAN McCain
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CrazyDude Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:11 PM
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39. I don't know if this is really swiftboating
I believe swiftboating McCain will not work on him like it did marginally on Kerry. However, I don't feel this is swiftboating in that John McCain's POW status is not being questioned. His judgment in calling out his fellow mates 20 years after the fact is.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:12 PM
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42. Looks like John "Swiftboated" himself?
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:55 PM
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52. Another proof that..
He's dumber than Chimpy.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:29 PM
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44. I think this is a dick move.
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 09:46 PM by ryanmuegge
I'm not sure how cool it is to hold somebody totally accountable for the things they did under a traumatic circumstance like being held hostage in a NV prison camp. For McCain to call the guy out in a book for something he wouldn't do under normal circumstances was way out of line and says something about McCain's allegedly superior character.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:55 PM
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45. And we can expect the MSM to widely report this story, right?
:sarcasm:
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:09 PM
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46. Gogle yields some 'hits' on Edison Miler.
Here are a few:

http://www.rossie.com/garwood.htm
and
http://www.rossie.com/moremccain.htm

Apparently, other POWs regarded Edison Miler as a "turncoat" of some sort. On the other hand, McCain didn't seem to have been held in universal regard either!

pnorman
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:03 AM
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:25 AM
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57. "had his records sealed"
I hadn't heard that before. Can you provide some details?

pnorman
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:28 AM
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58. yes
McCain won't unseal his military records. There are several websites of vets against mc cain -- people who served with him and despise him. I've listed one of them plus some articles below.

Not sure (how could we be) why he had the records sealed, but even now he refuses to open them to be vetted properly. Rumors of him turning traitor as a POW ran rampant because he got special treatment. He did apparently give up some info to the enemy, which has been explained away as normal under the circumstances. I'm not sure if his other POWs agree with that, since many of them didn't get the medical treatment McCain did.

I wasn't there -- and I can't imagine the stress he was under. Nonetheless, courage and fortitude and honor are cards he plays constantly, and yet reality looks a far cry from that.

a few links

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_mccainfiles.htm

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_declassified_landing.htm

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/AntiMcCain_vets_ready_their_salvo_against_0302.html

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/19/12339/8206
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:06 AM
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60. Thanks for the satisfactory and COMPLETE response!
I sometimes raise hackles among my liberal/leftist friends, when I ask such questions about "verification". A few even take it as a personal affront. But I frequently operate in venues that are far more "adversarial" than DU --- occasionally vicious. There are a few there who would take great delight in cramming my own words down my throat. So I really NEED to have all my facts straight.

I'll probably deploy that fact ("sealed records") this day!

pnorman
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:31 PM
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62. That's great!
I'm glad you will spread the truth around -- msm won't, that's for damn sure. and as they try to sell us as mccain to save us during "war" (with who now? -- oh right. everyone) it is even more important to take an honest look at his experience, his records (mental health and other). I have serious concerns about his stability, which grow as I read the account of others who worked with him or served with him.

I am never offended by someone asking for source info. Sometimes I can't remember where I read something, but luckily I had saved a few of these links. You can also google viet nam vets against mccain. I have more...I just don't know what to do with it all and I haven't organized it as well as I could have.

Can't remember which ones I posted before and I can't get back now...darn. check these out if you have time.



http://educate-yourself.org/cn/earlhopperinterview08feb08.shtml

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1992-10-21/news/call-my-travel-agent-there-s-an-election-coming-up/
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:24 PM
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49. It's like Stalag 17.....McCain is Peter Graves....
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:26 PM
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50. This could be a game changer
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 11:13 AM
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61. Sounds like his MO
Remember McCrook's campaign finance reform? In one of Jim Hightower's books (I can't recall which one - maybe Armadillo), McCrook was one of the most corrupt taking in money. It's a deflection tactic.
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