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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:19 PM
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Lawyers’ Edwards Ties Suggest Extent of Hiding Affair
Source: NY Times

As tabloid reports of a sex scandal threatened former Senator John Edwards’s presidential campaign last December on the eve of the Iowa caucuses, two lawyers surfaced with written statements that appeared to exonerate the candidate.

One of them, Robert J. Gordon of New York, said that his client, Rielle Hunter, a pregnant 43-year-old filmmaker, was not carrying Mr. Edwards’s child. Shortly thereafter, the other lawyer, Pamela J. Marple of Washington, sent word that her client, Andrew Young, an Edwards campaign aide, was the baby’s father.

Seemingly issued independently of Mr. Edwards, the statements appeared to deflate the anonymously sourced reports of an Edwards tryst. But what went unnoticed was that the two lawyers shared an important connection to Mr. Edwards that suggests they were part of an orchestrated effort to protect him, one that is continuing even after he admitted last week that he had an affair with Ms. Hunter but denied that he fathered her child.

The lawyers are linked through Fred Baron, a wealthy Dallas lawyer and former finance chairman for the Edwards campaign who was a key player in the campaign’s response to the scandal. Mr. Gordon has worked with Mr. Baron on class-action personal injury cases, and Ms. Marple helped defend a lawsuit brought against both men and their law firms by an asbestos manufacturer.

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The review found that Mr. Edwards’s political action committee went to unusual lengths to make a final $14,000 payment to Ms. Hunter’s film company months after its contract with the committee had ended. The payment was issued while the committee was short on cash and could pay its bills only after receiving thousands of dollars from Mr. Edwards’s presidential campaign and donations from four people, including Mr. Baron’s wife.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/15/us/politics/15edwards.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:24 PM
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1. could the NYT pls devote this much investigatory effort to
matters affecting our national well-being?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:31 PM
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4. Everything Else Is Classified
and locked in Cheney's man-sized vaults, assuming it ever got down on paper in the first place.

No, there is no right to privacy, unless it's inside Cheney's safe.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:45 PM
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9. No - our media are crotch-sniffers, plain and simple. n/t
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:52 PM
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10. Amen. n/t
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 01:01 AM
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13. EFFING HYSTERICAL - thank you! it's so bizarre - he's not the nominee
and although I am proud for what he fought for, he shouldn't have this much focus put on him as if it's the country's NEED to know the truth on this man's pant-lies!
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 12:44 PM
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24. This DOES effect it. Don't you get it??
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 12:56 PM
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29. No. And don't try to convince me, please.
I'm disgusted with Edwards but the time and energy dedicated to this story versus those being totally ignored by the media is ridiculous.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:17 PM
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35. That is because you don't want to. This is serious thing
he has done and it probably affected the outcome of a primary, not to mention the possible outcome of an election, and it is HOW IT MATTERS.
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 05:53 AM
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39. You are correct Jean.
He must have known that with his wife suffering from cancer and him having an affair there was no way he could ever be elected president.

You have to ask why he ran. Is he insane? in denial ? or had he no choice? Was it to act as a Nader to Gore?
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 11:07 PM
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45. I often ask myself why men are so stupid to do this kind of stuff.
It usually just boils down to ego. After all, Clinton did it "because I could". But he really couldn't, could he? You would think men (and the women who do it) would learn.

In this case, what a disaster this election would have been for us and our party! It makes me sick at my stomach just to think about the fallout and consequences................

:scared:
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:46 PM
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48. I guess they can't help it... poor dears...
I have read that one of the side effects of testosterone is to shut down the part of the brain that deals with risk assessment.

So best not to let them be in charge of too much!



:evilgrin:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:18 PM
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36. but, but, but... the NYTimes is "liberal"
lol
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:25 PM
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2. I think he's still hiding something, and maybe gave his interview hoping
that would be enough to put an end to all the speculation.

I'm afraid it's going to get worse. He's already been caught in some untruths he gave during the interview.

If I'm right, he either should have said nothing, or told the whole truth, nothing but the truth.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:31 PM
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7. At this point, Edwards deserves some privacy.
Whatever he did, we already know. He is not a candidate for office. His wife is ill. He has two small children and a grown daughter. He is not the first man to have an extramarital affair, and he won't be the last.

Obama is not in the age group that Edwards, Clinton and many other mid-life crisis men are when they have affairs -- but he will be in a few years. I hope he finds other outlets for his mid-life crisis, but you never know. A lot of men fall into this trap around that age. The large number of 50+ new divorcees proves it.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 02:15 AM
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16. I don't agree.
Edited on Fri Aug-15-08 02:16 AM by robcon
JD Priestly wrote: "Whatever he did, we already know."

We don't know 3 things...

1. Where did Hunter get her money and her Santa Barbara house?

2. Who's the daddy?

3. When did the affair end - was it when Edwards claimed?
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 08:42 AM
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20. Why is it Important?



1. Where did Hunter get her money and her Santa Barbara house?

If she owns the house it's a matter of public record, and information on the deed would be available

2. Who's the daddy?

Who really cares? In the scheme of things why is this important to you?

3. When did the affair end - was it when Edwards claimed?

None of my business, why should it it be yours?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 09:27 AM
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21. The answers are obvious to anyone who can reason just a bit.
Edited on Fri Aug-15-08 09:35 AM by JDPriestly
Leave it. We all know the answers.

Face it Ms. Hunter (Lisa Druck) is a total Hollywood/New York fake. Listen to the song Hollywood Nights.

She stood there bright as the sun on that california coast
He was a midwestern boy on his own
She looked at him with those soft eyes,
So innocent and blue
He knew right then he was too far from home he was too far from home

She took his hand and she led him along that golden beach
They watched the waves tumble over the sand
They drove for miles and miles
Up those twisting turning roads
Higher and higher and higher they climbed

And those hollywood nights
In those hollywood hills
She was looking so right
In her diamonds and frills
All those big city nights
In those high rolling hills
Above all the lights
She had all of the skills

. . .

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/bob+seger/hollywood+nights_20021984.html

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 10:50 AM
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22. I'm with you but only on item 1
If Edwards used campaign money to pay off his mistress - then yes I think this needs investigated. There are possible criminal actions there. And even if not criminal then a damn big misuse of money many of us donated including me.

I could care less about the rest.

Be honest DU'ers - if a Repuke had misused campaign money to pay off a mistress - wouldn't we be posting a NY Times story?
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 12:47 PM
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25. You are right...
The money is the big issue. There are some serious sums in play here. At first glance, it seems like someone or multiple people should be facing jail time.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #22
34. You got it.
The money is the relevant news, the rest is tabloid crap.

It certainly looks like he funneled campaign money to her directly and via third parties. That's a potential federal offense and should be investigated and reported.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #7
23. Isn't his hat still in the ring as a possible VP?
He's never issued any statement contradicting his overtures of interest.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. What do you think?
Obama would pick him as VP after this? LOL.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 04:37 PM
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31. I'm talking about from Edwards's point of view
I do realized that Obama probably views him as damaged goods, but technically Edwards has never said he was withdrawing himself from consideration for VP.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 04:51 AM
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38. ,,,,,,,
"He is not the first man to have an extramarital affair, and he won't be the last. "

hopefully he'll be the last while he's a democrat trying to run for president
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:27 PM
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3. i remember the Edwards fundraising on DU
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 12:47 AM
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12. as do I
The idea of giving money to that snake-oil salesman made me want to puke then, and would make me laugh now, if it weren't for the fact that so many people were completely had and could have used the money for something worthwhile. Even in the Democratic party, there's a sucker born every minute.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:31 PM
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5. Ya know what? My attention span on this has run out! I don't really GAS what he did
who he did it with, or wether he has a baby or not! He can work it all out with Elizabeth and whoever else has a real stake in this BS.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #5
26. There is more outrage on this board over Edwards' affair
than there was over Democrats voting for FISA. Go figure.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:31 PM
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6. It is too bad Edwards was such a dope
But at least it highlights McCain's very similar behavior, for those who bother to pay attention.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:31 PM
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8. How is this LBN? Just another article by the elite in their bashing Edwards campaign
A whole big NYT article saying really nothing. Its sole purpose is to diminish support for populist leaders.

I expect it of M$M

but putting it on DU's LBN forum? That's low.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:25 PM
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11. NOBODY GIVES A FUCKING SHIT ABOUT THIS!!
LET IT GO!
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 01:08 AM
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14. So he was banging his concubine for a couple of years...who cares?
I didn't contribute pay for her house and job.
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 06:01 AM
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40. Who cares if he was "banging his concubine" or not..
That's a matter for those involved.

But he must have known he could never be president and yet he campaigned taking money, resources, personnel and delegates from others... and possibly risking ending up with the nomination and subsequent exposure and loss of the election.

If you don't think that matters then maybe you're on the wrong board.

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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 08:47 AM
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41. Edwards got caught with his hand in the cookie jar...you pay for your thrills.
Drugs, sex, money - powerful men are no different from Joe Blow when it comes to getting what they want.
They just can afford to pay to get away with shit and still come out smelling like roses.
Not all of the time of course, the law of averages will eventually catch up...like this time.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 01:19 AM
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15. One would think dead Iraqi children might make the news.
Edited on Fri Aug-15-08 01:21 AM by Gregorian
But no. It's really a big story. You'd think they'd cover it. Depleted Uranium. It's a big deal. I hope there's a hell.

Golden microphones spew hate across the entire nation. But love is a crime. How twisted the conservative mind is.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 06:42 AM
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17. THIS is latest breaking news?
Why are we obsessing about this when there is real news out there like the latest on Jennifer Aniston and John Mayer?
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 08:34 AM
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18. There will be a steady drip of news on this for a while, IMO
I don't think Edwards has been truthful (about the money, timing and, maybe, who the father of the baby is) and there will be new revelations.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. dear robcon
you - with two inane posts to this thread - fomenting ugly - have now made it to my ignore list -

enjoy your new status as too unimportant to ever be heard again

buh-bye!
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #19
27. I am sure robcon is heart broken...
but seriously, he is just raising questions. I don't see any ugliness in his posts on this thread. I disagree with him on some of his concerns, but the money issue is troubling. I just wish I could get someone to give me 100K for some video clips.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:17 AM
Response to Reply #27
46. Yes I'm deeply saddened that UpinArms won't read my posts.
It's almost too tragic to bear.
:sarcasm:
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 10:03 AM
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42. Self important idiot
Your too unimportant for him to care if he makes your ignore list or not

I was just reading posts in the various news blurbs and then came across your gem. You self important moron. You think what YOU say anybody cares about? I think not. Please add me to your ignore list as well.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 12:55 PM
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28. Wow. Looks like the media rediscovered investigative reporting!
Does this mean that we'll see a "surge" in investigative articles about other topics of importance and interest to the United States?! Finally, some crack reporting on Iraq, anthrax, Plame, energy policies, lobbying money, Halliburton, Blackwater, male prostitutes in the White House, bad behavior by zillions of Republicans????
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bronxiteforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 04:45 PM
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32. I am on the verge of losing complete hope in what is left of this country
your points are so true
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:04 AM
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37. It should make no difference to anyone BUT ...
if he were the candidate right now, McCain would be president.

What an asshole to run for president and risk losing the whole
thing for us again.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 10:19 AM
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43. Yes. That's the major import of all this "scandal." And tho I hate to criticize the Mrs......
it seems clear, doesn't it, that she knew during 2006 that this had happened, yet she went ahead with the plan to run for the President, knowing that this scandal was out there and might come to the foreground.

She played a major part in his political life, and ran his campaigns, essentially, so she wasn't just standing there not saying anything. She was at least one of the decision makers in his deciding to run.

I see Edwards in a whole different light now. It has become clear. Self-involved, fake, just a show he put on for the crowds. Hence the importance of the hair and appearance.

But that's over now. I didn't support him (tho I liked him). The voters apparently didn't fall for the act. We can all move on (i hope).
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 10:49 AM
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44. The Affair isn't the Point
The point is honesty and judgement. Edwards failed the test of both. He made a choice that reflects his lack of judgement, then he either a)had no control over those writing checks who knew about his error in judgement, OR b) he made another bad decision and tried to pay everyone off.

As for Elizabeth...I don't really know when she knew what, but she had enough to contend with in her life. She shouldn't have had to try to cover up for him while battling cancer...even if he does think it's all about him.

Men who lie to their wives lie about other things in their lives. They are liars. They are not trustworthy. They lack character and judgement. I don't care about Edward's tawdry affair either. But I am sick that this man talked and talked, promised and promised, set himself up as a person of moral character, and a judge of others, and took money from people who could have used the money for important things, or they could have given it to a candidate who wasn't lying through his teeth.

I hope he's gone from public life.
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:21 AM
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47. Democrats have their girlfriends on the side and still support
their families while some Republicans have deserted their wives when they lose their beauty or become sick and marry someone two or three times younger than them. Pugs love to talk about fidelity and life, but they fail to talk about fidelity after old age sets in or sustaining the life of one who can't get a job, has no place to live, can't get equal education, etc.
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