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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:14 PM
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Baby starved 'to fulfil Christian prophecy'
Taunton, Massachusetts - A jury in began deliberating on Monday whether a woman accused of starving her baby to death to fulfil a religious prophecy was a willing participant or was victimised by her husband and the sect they belonged to.

A prosecutor said in closing arguments that the real victim was Karen Robidoux's baby, Samuel, who died in 1999 just days shy of his first birthday.

"Karen Robidoux made a choice," assistant district attorney Walter said in the Taunton Superior Court. "She chose her husband and her faith over the life of her child."

Defence attorney Joseph Krowski countered that Robidoux "suffered a psychological battery of unparallelled proportions".

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=3&art_id=vn20040203131101141C473092&set_id=1
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:15 PM
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1. aargh!
this stuff makes me sick.
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:18 PM
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2. This is why I HATE religion
People do the stupidest things in the name of something they can NEVER prove exists. So stupid!
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:19 PM
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3. and people like Pat Robertson hears voices
and wants *bUsh to be president cause a voice told him so.
Welcome to the dark ages.
Ive seen this kind of story wayyyyyyyyyyy too many times in the press lately. Extremist religious fantasies combined with overt illiteracy . Terrifying and cruel.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:20 PM
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4. And I bet that she is dead against aborting a fetus.
I have a hard time figuring out these fundies. Its ok to take the life of a live, viable human being but its a sin to take the non-life of a non viable fetus.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:31 PM
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5. A branch of Axiology: ethics ...
Edited on Tue Feb-03-04 04:32 PM by Trajan
A type of Ethics: Divine Command Ethics ...

Divine Command Ethics dictates that a superior entity, be it a deity or a party, commands individuals to behave as they are commanded : ... and that WHATEVER that god or party commands would be 'ethical' ...

When you ask someone why YHWH (Yahweh) 'killed' so many innocent humans beings in the old canon: ... You may get the answer that YHWH 'knew' that those human beings were evil, and deserved their cruel fate ...

"Even the babies??? ..." ....

Yes: ... even the babies ....

Why ? ..

Because God said so ...
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progressiverealist Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:40 PM
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6. the ultimate "Christian" hypocricy... protect life up until birth, then
it's ok to starve, slap, kick, torture, and even KILL your children. Pro-life up until birth. Then if some goddamned pastor says "starve your baby, God told me you should" they go and do it.

My wife and I lost our first child (a baby son) to a rare bleeding disorder, and we love our daughter more than words can say. Yet we are pro-choice, which the repukes we know cannot understand. We love these kids EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN BORN! Duh!!!

And my right-wing inlaws read Dobson's "focus on the family" newsletter that says we should be slapping our 18-month old girl if she won't pray.


Fundies... ARRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHH!
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:56 PM
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7. Astonishing news on Dobson's philosophy. Overwhelmingly sick.
Best wishes and all possible good luck as you plot your course for your own life with these Dobsonians available to lend you advice!

The mental mutilation which accompanies a steady diet of violence, suspicion, hatred, and fear is devastating.

These people can only harm those who are dependent upon them, as in weak, helpless. I believe they are actually afraid of life, itself, only feeling safe in the presence of others just like them.

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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 06:42 PM
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11. I'm so sorry about your daughter.
:( Senseless deaths like these must be so painful for you and your wife. :hug: to you both.


Dobson stated this in his newsletter? Any way to make it public? At Christmas I was around my southern bapt missionary BIL and SIL and they were spanking(bottom) and slapping(hands) their 12 mo little girl. I swear if Dobson or some other dreg said she needed to bind her feet they'd do it. :mad:
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 11:26 PM
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16. another cult
In mentioning making such things public, how many people here have heard about the cult-like "Babywise" program?

"After babies reach only 6 months of age, parents are instructed to begin punitive disciplinary measures such as `squeezing or swatting´ of the child's hands or `isolation´ in the crib for `rebellious´ infractions including `foolishness,´ `malicious defiance´ or even playing with food on the highchair tray. Ezzo explains to parents that the use of `pain´ and `discomfort´ can be essential disciplinary tools. After age 2 and a half, children who have a toileting accident are required to clean themselves up."

Read more here.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 11:47 PM
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17. Good Gawd Amighty!!!!!!!
:puke: Thank you for the link. These people are going to be producing whole generations of messed up kids. :(
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 03:55 AM
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20. training the next generation
of abusers and other assorted criminals. My daughter teaches pre-school and is soooo anti-striking a child - she was never spanked or struck - I wonder if she knows about this?
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 12:19 AM
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18. So sorry about your heartache -
keep looking to the future, as scientific advances are being made every day. I hope your daughter's future is full and bright and filled with all she desires and all the good things that life can give.
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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 04:56 PM
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8. she would have to be really brainwashed
giving birth triggers chemicals in you head to make you attached to your baby. i dont understand how she could suppress instinct to feed/comfort her child to let him starve for 2 months.

or shes just a cold-hearted beast.
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DevilsAdvocate2 Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 05:59 PM
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9. Not done to fulfill a "Christian Prophecy"
It says in the story:

"Jacques, who was convicted of murder in 2002, were members of a small religious sect called The Body."

Just as people here at DU say terrorists don't represent Muslims, I would have to definitively say that these people don't represent Christians. In fact, they don't even call themselves Christians. Biased posting and reporting.
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 06:47 PM
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12. Well, almost everybody who claims to be a christian doesn't either..here's
Edited on Tue Feb-03-04 06:48 PM by mike1963
some more information on them.
http://neirr.org/AttleboroHistory.html
edit for typo
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 06:26 PM
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10. kick.
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Unforgiven Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 09:25 PM
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13. Would Someone
please tie this womans "tubes" so it won't happen again!!!
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 09:50 PM
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14. Death penelty
for her and all the freaks that didn't lift a finger...they will be with their god then.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-04 10:48 PM
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15. Actually, the verdict came down this afternoon.
I believe she has been convicted of assault and battery. She was charged with 2nd degree murder.

I have followed this case for a long time, as this is not the first child to die in this cult.

I really believe she was totally brainwashed and had no choice. She did not likely have any say whatsoever on what, or even if her child was fed, and, typically of battered women, was powerless to leave and/or report it.

She has undergone a de-programming since and is now able to think and behave like a human again.
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 01:34 AM
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19. Sickening
Edited on Wed Feb-04-04 01:36 AM by DiverDave
a baby is TORTURED TO DEATH and the charge is ASSAULT AND BATTERY??
What a fucked up world...Then where, pray tell, are the "Ringleaders"?
Or did they get a walk too?
If I see or hear of anything like this, they are gonna have a lot more then the wrath of god to worry about.

When will a child's life be worth more than a dog?

Assault and battery, yeah, figures...

edited to give more of my contempt.
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