Venezuela to host Russia navy exercise in Caribbean

Source: Reuters

Several Russian ships and 1,000 soldiers will take part in joint naval maneuvers with Venezuela in the Caribbean Sea later this year, exercises likely to increase diplomatic tensions with Washington, a pro-government newspaper reported on Saturday.

Quoting Venezuela's naval intelligence director, Salbarore Cammarata, the newspaper Vea said four Russian boats would visit Venezuelan waters from November 10 to 14.

Plans for the naval operations come at a time of heightened diplomatic tension and Cold War-style rhetoric between Moscow and the United States over the recent war in Georgia and plans for a U.S. missile defense system in the Czech Republic and Poland.

Cammarata said it would be the first time Russia's navy carried out such exercises in Latin America. He said the Venezuelan air force would also take part.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080907/wl_nm/venezuela_russia_dc

hope the Russians dont sink on the way over. They have made a handful of new surface ships since the collapse of the USSR..

This will keep good union work employed at BIW and Ingalls.

or during naval maneuvers? I just hope they don't have another "Kursk" incident or we may have to go rescue some of the poor souls :rofl:

kept the ISS in orbit with their old, pathetic, soviet junk, "the Soyuz" while the pathetic 'space shuttle fleet' was grounded?

I have been on them. They are potential disasters at sea. The soviets are capable of and have engineered and manufactured excellent equipment. However their shipbuilding design and construction leaves a lot to be desired. None of the the Soviet warships I have seen would have survived the damage that Samual B Roberts or the Cole suffered. Maybe the new post soviet era ships are better.

Remember that it was the neocons that prodded Georgia to attack the autonomous region of South Ossetia.

do you have any or do you just have the same old tired talking points

it is the republican administration that is doing the intelligence work, I have yet to seen any evidence of the contrary

did they promise support if Russia invaded?

what did they do????

people criticize the right wing when they make unfounded accusations; the liberal/left wing needs to be above making such accusations

we have to be better than them

cheering for the hometown sports team gets oh so boring.

I would cheer for that team

That would be my "team".

Thanks for your support.

I don't see your team meeting the required standards for such a team

Especially with her latest agreement with Poland!

She is a fucking disaster!

Really - the internets told me so.

her state is closest to Russia! Just askin...

Russia is invading our sphere of influence and it would be well within our rights to invade Venezuela and install "peace keepers." Russia has violated unspoken agreements and all that...

That would seem to argue for being ready to invade Venezuela, esp. w. all those Russia weapons.

Let's hope no Americans get hurt by any Venezuelans, and American business interests are protected there. Otherwise we'll see logic and consistency waterboarded, stressed, and fondled to within an inch of our lives.

The Carribean vs the Black Sea. "You can't come here whether you were invited by another country or not."

"Don't tell me these are international waters. It's my backyard. That's more important than international maritime law."

"Look out. There might be an "accident" with one of our missiles."

"We're the "good guys". You're the "bad guys". You must leave or who knows what will happen."

Each side will use rhetoric that is almost interchangeable with the other after you change a few country names and geographic terms.

Posters here will choose sides. "Russia has a right to worry about its neighborhood; maybe even to have friendly governments in the small countries on its area."

"Russia is bad and wants to change the governments of countries in its neighborhood. We have to protect these little countries from Russian bullying."

"The US has a right to worry about its neighborhood; maybe even to have friendly governments in the small countries in the Western hemisphere."

"The US is bad and wants to change the governments of countries in its hemisphere. Russia should protect these little countries from American bullying."

Where is it and why isn't it being invoked?
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/jd/16321.htm

big bonanza for the intelligence community - this will give them a good insight to just how good the Russians and Venezuelans are.

Somewhat meaningless from a military perspective - neither one can project meaningful military power into the region.

what a bag of shit he and his people are.

Russia is parking itself in vulnerable spots since we have used all our resourcces for the upcoming war in Iran

now roaming off the coast of Venezuela, near the oil-rich coastal state of Zulia (where there is a fascist separatist cabal), illegal U.S. flyovers of Venezuelan territory, the U.S./Colombia bombing/raid on Ecuador, and other Bushite escalations and threatening actions this year--including their active support for the white separatists in Bolivia in an effort to tear that country to pieces.

I don't click on Rotters articles, but I presume they don't mention these Bushite provocations. Do correct me if I'm wrong.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the Bush junta exit (if they do exit) with a bang: the Oil War brought home to the western hemisphere. They've been checkmated in Iran, in my opinion (U.S. military against it; China (which gets a lot of its oil from Iran) holding our debt paper, etc.). What are oil corpo puppets to do? And, who knows?--their continued immunity from war crimes prosecution may depend on grabbing more oil fields as they leave, and miring an Obama administration with a fait accompli war, or--if Diebold & brethren decide to really fuck us--leaving McCain/Palin to institute the military Draft and put down the food riots and the anti-Draft riots.

Did you see the thread on Argentina/Brazil going off the dollar?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3475677

The Bushwhacks have BIG problems in South America. The entire region is aiming for independence from U.S. dictation--with formation of the South American "Common Market" (UNASUR), not including the U.S., and Brazil proposing a common defense as well. Brazil's and Argentina's leaders have consistently backed up the more leftist Boliviarian leaders, and there is unanimity on common goals of social justice, regionally-controlled development and Latin American sovereignty. So all the Bushwhacks can do, really, is try to "divide and conquer," try to instigate civil war, and try to split off some of the oil provinces into fascist mini-states in control of the oil. Zulia (Venezuela) is a largely indefended "sitting duck" right on the Caribbean; and it is adjacent to Colombia (Bush Cartel narco-state, on which they have larded $6 BILLION of our taxpayer dollars in military aid--a country where paramilitary death squads are running rampant, and are rumored to be operating in Bolivia; Blackwater is also active in Colombia).

I don't know what they're going to do. No one does. We have a rogue government. But, as I said, there is plenty of evidence that this is one of their dirty rotten schemes. And Venezuela inviting the Russians to maneuvers in the Caribbean sure looks like a defensive move, in regard to this particular scheme (Zulia). Just nine months ago, Donald Rumsfeld wrote an op-ed in the WaPo in which he urges "swift action" by the U.S. in support of "friends and allies" in South America. The Bushites don't have any "friends and allies" in South America, except for their client state, Colombia, the corrupt "free tradists" in Peru, and fascist cells within countries like Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador, who are planning or actively engaging in civil war with Bushite support.

Yup, Donald Rumsfeld.*

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*"The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez," by Donald Rumsfeld, 12/1/07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html
(Another of his 'suggestions' is to create a Bushite/South American propaganda presence on the internets. Watch for it.)

Recommended: www.BoRev.net (Likely Rumsfeld propaganda target--hilarious and informative).

sitting over here with no air cover and no real logistics support? It won't take many resources to counter them if we wanted to (not that I think we really care that much.)

The Russians have not been able to project meaningful military power globally for a very long time - their Navy has simply been neglected for way to long.

Cheney would have been better advised to haul his pasty white ass home and get out of Russia's "Sphere of influence"...

People who live in flammable housing shouldn't go on candlelight vigils at the neighbor's.

she can see Russia from her husbands business partners bedroom window. The view is upside down and it's hard to focus because she bouncing around but that does not cloud her ability to handle foreign policy.

and that failure will probably result in another country having to do it. * has gone out of his way to try to start wars with Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, Russia, Pakistan. Nothing has been done about it here, except for cheerleading by Big Media, including Hate Radio and Cabal "news". Arguably there is nothing we could do with no media voice, but that is no longer the issue. We are the Good Germans of the 1930's

Russia says to send battleship to Caribbean Sea
Mon Sep 8, 2008 7:56am EDT

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia will send a nuclear-powered battleship to the Caribbean for a joint naval exercise with Venezuela, Russia's Foreign Ministry said on Monday.

The maneuvers later this year will be the first Russia has conducted in Washington's traditional sphere of influence since the end of the Cold War.

Russia has heavily criticized the United States for sending a sophisticated command ship and two other naval vessels to Georgia, on its southern border, to deliver aid and show support for President Mikheil Saakashvili after Moscow sent troops into Georgia.

Kremlin leader Dmitry Medvedev asked on Saturday how Washington would feel "if we now dispatched humanitarian assistance to the Caribbean...using our navy".

Later that day, a Venezuelan naval official said four Russian warships would visit the Caribbean in November.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko said on Monday that the naval mission to Venezuela would include the nuclear-powered battle cruiser "Peter the Great", one of the world's largest combat battleships.

More:
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL871354420080908?rpc=401&

Soviet Warships have visited Cuba for years. in the early 90s, they visited Norfolk Naval Station.

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Tuesday, September 09, 2008
Defense: Russian nuclear powered battle cruiser set for Caribbean

Russian officials have said they will send a naval task force to the Caribbean later this year for possible joint exercises with Venezuela.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Andrei Nesterenk, says the nuclear-powered battle cruiser Peter the Great will lead the naval mission, which will also include the destroyer Admiral Chabanenko and other vessels including a fuel tanker. The spokesman said anti-submarine aircraft will also be sent to Venezuela, possibly in November.

http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/2008/09/defense-russian-nuclear-powered-battle.html

The world can only benefit from another testosterone pissing contest! <sarcasm></sarcasm>

I hate Bush. That however does not prevent me from viewing Putin as being rather dangerous. (Admission to the KGB is likely a bit more 'specialized' than most other jobs: I don't think that you get to be a high level official in such an organization without adopting its core 'values'.)