Lose your house, lose your vote

Source: Michigan Messenger

Michigan Republicans plan to foreclose African American voters

The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP’s effort to challenge some voters on Election Day.

“We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren’t voting from those addresses,” party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week. He said the local party wanted to make sure that proper electoral procedures were followed.

State election rules allow parties to assign “election challengers” to polls to monitor the election. In addition to observing the poll workers, these volunteers can challenge the eligibility of any voter provided they “have a good reason to believe” that the person is not eligible to vote. One allowable reason is that the person is not a “true resident of the city or township.”

The Michigan Republicans’ planned use of foreclosure lists is apparently an attempt to challenge ineligible voters as not being “true residents.”

One expert questioned the legality of the tactic.

Read more: http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote

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Full article at the link. The reporter, Eartha Jane Melzer, will be doing more in the coming days on attempts to disenfranchise voters. Important stuff.

-Diane

stopping people from voting again, there will be a revolution.

I won't be surprised if thet pull that one in every state.

They will do it. This the kind of democracy the Republicans believe in, Banana Republic style.

Won't these people get to vote?

For Texas:
Q: I am registered to vote, but I moved this past year. Is there anything I need to do to make sure that I won't have a problem voting in November

A: If you moved to a “new county,” you must re-register in your new county of residence by October 6, 2008 to be eligible to vote in the November 4, 2008 General Election.

*****************************************************************************************************

Louisiana, like Texas, has a 30 day deadline to register.

Florida deadline is 29 days before, so that would be October 5.

Already notified officials in Kentucky, Tennessee and Alabama!

Gotta love it. :eyes:

you been pwned!

NATIONAL CHECK IF I CAN VOTE DAY

I just told the DU in Michigan, to 'forget Macomb county' voting Dem. They said, they wouldn't count them out, just yet! Told ya so!

and challenge every goddamned voter there. Bog the system down. Bring it to its fucking knees. Show it up for the sham it is. Beat them at their own game. Make them wait in three-hour lines to vote, while you challenge every single GOP asshole who walks in the door.

What do we need?

you can't just go in there and do that shit. if you tried it in my precinct, i would have your ass in jail.
don't be stupid.

By me, there is a 30-day residency requirement prior to elections. If same is true there, then they have just 3 weeks(!) to register.

The s.o. needs to get a mail-in ballot pronto.

This is BS of course, but they'll do anything, won't they?

But, they re-register while at the poll THAT DAY. I have made calls to other STATES, as well.

what the hell would that mean anyway?

and yet millions will vote against their own interests because palin is HOT.

I kid you not. It's true.

hot she's not.

I've been trying to figure out which cartoon character she reminded me of...

My short list included: Pepe le Pew, Wile E. Coyote, and any cartoon rodent.


Peggy Hill....hmmm...I think you're right

:7

Republicans are SCUM!

thought republicans couldn't be bigger scumbags - they prove ya wrong!

That person better have a good dental plan.

I asked everyone on norepubsin08's thread on voting (Doing a great service to DU, by the way, YAY! norepubsin08) to double check their voters registration for ANY errors. Even if you're address is off by a number, birthdate off by a day, whatever. Make sure it is perfectly unchallengeable. I'm submitting a change here in Colorado because the name on my voters registration isn't in my hyphnated last name, which I rarely use, but is in fact, my official name according to Social Security and my drivers license. There can't be any challenges here in this state, we could be the "Ohio and Florida" this year. Luckily the form to do that also contains a mail in ballot if you wish, so, I will kill 2 birds with one stone.

Anyway, next time you see norepubsin08's daily Vote check thread, give it a lil' love.

Start going to the realtors in town, especially the ones who do a lot of rentals. Take a roll of stamps, a ream of paper and a box of envelopes. Also take a little Word file that says something like "we hope you are enjoying your new home. We would like to remind you that you must register your new address with the Board of Elections before you are eligible to vote in the November election. The Board of Elections' office is at (address) and is open (operating hours)." Tell them you are willing to address and mail the letters if they'll run a form letter against their client files.

We can try caging all we like, but it would be FAR more fun, as well as more effective, to make sure this moran has as few voters to challenge as possible.

The idea here is to show idiot Republicans up for what they really are--people who will do anything to suppress the vote.

For the purposes of this exercise, I don't care if the majority of the people who go over and fix their voting records, so they can vote in November without harassment, are Republicans. In fact, it would be better if they WERE--showing that he's willing to throw away two or three Republican votes to stop a Democratic vote. What I want is for a Republican or two to look really bad.

This also helps us when he has to run for reelection: "Elections Commissioner Jones spent Your Tax Dollars trying to keep people from voting. His job is to help people vote, not stop them from doing it."

need. Make those locations your priority in your GOTV/Registration/ blockwalking and phone banking.

Then you can find out if it is an abandoned foreclosure, a foreclosure still occupied by the buyer or recently sold back to the lender.

I posted on another thread that the foreclosure process is quite lengthy and just because the lender has initiated foreclosure does not mean the homeowner has been asked to vacate.

Which begs the question: how are these evil people going to determine if a prop on the foreclosed list is not still occupied by the owner?

Check the legals in the classifieds section of your newspaper. That all comes from the county clerk's office, and anyone can get a copy. That's what this guy did.

he better have his affairs in order, he is gonna die hard!!!!

It will be too late for the forecloseees to re-register then. They will lose their vote.

how under-handed, devious and just plain dirty the Repugs are.

Just the other day McSame was say "If you are having a tough time I'm working for you - If you are worried about losing your home I'm working for you".

Sounds like they are spending more time trying to take your vote away.

If you can travel, we need the help in swing states to ensure this shit doesn't happen. Any DUer who has the means to travel to another state that is in serious contention should try to travel there and help volunteer ESPECIALLY in the urban areas where the GOP will target voters and disenfranchise them.

I know Delaware is solid blue so my intentions is to spend as much time as possible in Philadelphia where I can help keep Pennsylvania in the BLUE column. And btw, I have room for several DUers who wish to travel to help out in Pennsylvania - they can stay at my house.

I agree. Travel if you can, donate frequent flyer miles so others can travel, volunteer on www.backaobama.com to call voters from your own home, write letters to the editor to swing state newspapers. Get the word out about this.

i really do.

:grr:

"John McCain has 10 choices of homes for voting registration, but he wants to deprive you of your right to vote if you have lost your home due to the Republican economic policies."

prevent someone who owned ten homes in ten different states from voting ten times? Absentee ballots would do just fine for that purpose. Just wonderin.

I'm going to do some research on that. It may take some time, between being in the office, phone banking for Senator Kerry, volunteer service meetings, and community functions, Oh, and some sleep now and then....but I'll get it done and post the results.

When I worked the polls in Indiana, I had to ask about a guy voting with a Floridian driver's license. The loophole in the Indiana law is that you can use a passport in lieu of a drivers license. So technically, you could vote in as many elections as you like so long as you have a registration and the means to travel between them.

I would guess this little scam is prevalent along state borders where a businessman registers to vote under his business address in one state and his home address in another. If they are going to require an ID, it should be a driver's license.

:)

Action must be taken NOW

other organization interested in voter's rights. Let's hope they can muster up legal teams to stop this in it's tracks. I'm sure there is something illegal about this.

I received a TEXT from the Obama campaign regarding how to register to vote. I replied with a plea to protect Michigan voters from being disenfranchised if their homes have been foreclosed. Wow! what timing!

...hit everyone, even if you haven't had a foreclosure, most likely you know someone who did.

Foreclosures are hitting people of every stripe, colour, income (look at Ed McMahon (sp?), Dems and Rethugs.

It's also one of the 'hot' subjects of this campaign that the MSM do ask about. At least around here in FL where people have been hit hard, in more ways one. The foreclosures, obviously is one and if that doesn't get you out of your home - a hurricane or even a hardy tropical storm (think fay) will!

ever get the feeling "dude, we're screwed" *sigh*

Cheers
Sandy

awful !!!

Action must be taken NOW

Action must be taken NOW

Windy,

Let us know what you find out, in case we see this here in PA.

Good lord almighty. I suppose homeless people can't vote either, eh? Or Republicans who've had their homes foreclosed upon? Because we all know that only Democrats have had their homes foreclosed, right?

Often, you're right. Homeless people can't vote because they can't register. They can't register because they lack an address. An address establishes your district/parish/ward/precinct/etc. and also gives your election office a place to send your voter registration card. In the long term, this needs to get fixed, but we don't have that kind of time right now.

What to do if you're out of a home and out of other options? Some shelters and drop-in centers have free mailboxes for people who need an address. Check around for one in your area in case you know or meet someone who needs it. If you need it, get it quick before your local deadline for registration passes.

:shrug:

since voting requires residency and PO boxes do not have that requirement.

Seriously. If I went to vote, and some rethug douchebag tried to tell me I wasn't allowed to vote, I'd put the son-of-a-bitch in the goddamned hospital. I don't care if I got to jail. It would take six cops with tasers and pepper spray to get me off that sack of shit.

mee too!!! :mad:

I think this is an appropriate reaction, and should be carried out at every single voting place. And shout "The Redcoats are here!" while you are beating them down. Maybe after 1 or 2 get the shit kicked out of them, the rest will go home.

running commercials encouraging people to update their registrations? I'd like to throw them a few dollars. I trust the Obama campaign has been made aware of this and will get people to reregister, but I'd like to do something to help. This shit is just wrong.

First of all, it may well be that people in the middle of foreclosure proceedings may have a lot more on their minds than getting out and voting on election day. Also, this is another reason why we need to get as many people as possible to vote in advance. Unless those advance ballots are also going to be challenged big-time.

The other tactic to use, since we know what precincts that they'll be in on election day, is to send out our own people to heavily Republican precincts and challenge as many of them as we can. Slow down the lines. Give them a taste of their own medicine. After all, aren't these people supposed to be Christians and isn't one very strong tenet of Christian faith something about "doing unto others what you would have them do unto you"?

This is also something that can't happen in a state with same day registration.

purge the poor, workers, minorities, and other democratic voters, they aren't going allow many democrats to vote as few as possible...republicans know they can do as they please because after the election is too late for the democratic voters who are victims to do much of anything...one the republican is announced the winner....(and republicans know this very well and why they continue to steal, lie & cheat in all elections.

Republican discovered long ago they can't win many elections without cheating....Which is why they wrote the bullshit 2002 Help America Vote Act (HAVA) which makes it incredibility easy for republican corporations who own the electronic voting machines to easily hack the machines in the republicans favor, which they have done countless times since 2002 all over the country ....

There will be not enough voting machines in predominantly democratic areas all around the country, Democratic registration have and will continue to be disposed and toss out...They will stop many Dems from voting with the republicans vote ID bullshit....It's disgusting put a few vote here and a few votes there add up to millions of Dems around the country whose votes won't be counted....on top of that along with the easily hackable (in 18 seconds) republican owned electronic voting machines flipping votes early in the morning...the republicans stay in office and once announced as the winner...there is nothing Dems can do about it.

Newly released video shows how easily electronic voting machines can be hacked, pried open in 18 seconds.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Video_shows_how_electronic_voting_machines_0909.html

They would be throwing out repub votes too

sections of the county and ignore the others.

that way they wouldn't be losing any R voters.

Again....Republican are already purging the poor, workers, minorities off voting rolls, as well as other democratic voters, they aren't going allow as many democrats as they possibly can not to be able to vote - they are doing it in so many ways and it all adds up to millions nationwide...Republicans know they can do as they please because after the election is too late for the democratic voters who are victims to do much of anything...one the republican is announced the winner....(and republicans know this very well and why they continue to steal, lie & cheat in all elections.

Republican discovered long ago they can't win many elections without cheating....Which is why they wrote the bullshit 2002 Help America Vote Act (HAVA) which makes it incredibility easy for republican corporations who own the electronic voting machines to easily hack the machines in the republicans favor, which they have done countless times since 2002 all over the country ....

There will be not enough voting machines in predominantly democratic areas all around the country, Democratic registration have and will continue to be disposed and toss out...They will stop many Dems from voting with the republicans vote ID bullshit....It's disgusting put a few vote here and a few votes there add up to millions of Dems around the country whose votes won't be counted....on top of that along with the easily hackable (in 18 seconds) republican owned electronic voting machines flipping votes early in the morning...the republicans stay in office and once announced as the winner...there is nothing Dems can do about it.

Newly released video shows how easily electronic voting machines can be hacked, pried open in 18 seconds.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Video_shows_how_electronic_voting_machines_0909.html

Repugs will still be able to vote, even after eviction.

You would have to be kinda nuts to vote for 4 more years of the same if you just lost your home.

In order to win Michigan, you have to win Detroit (biggest population base in the state). If they can throw out enough votes, with the population loss the state's been suffering lately, there's a chance they can equalize Detroit with the rest of the state, and they're counting on winning the rest of the state.

Detroit is much more liberal than most other cities in Michigan, let alone the rural areas. If they can get away with this, they just might steal the election away from us.

that only the voters with a (D)or(I)listing should be challenged.

It's as if they are making a public admission that they KNOW their message
is not enough to get them elected under a fair vote. THIS is the headline I
want to see on the cover of Newsweek.

Disgusting, shameful, and SHAMELESS. :mad:



:puke:

updated our NC registration. Nobody challenged us when voting in the May primary. Our county
is VERY BLUE--Orange County, NC went 66% Kerry/Edwards in 2004--but who knows what Repubs will
have infiltrated the election day volunteers?

The new driver's license should reflect the new address. If you've moved, bring copies of utility or other bills.

They can't make a person a nonresident of any district just because they've moved.

I'm on the Rethuglican west side of the state, but have seen signs that MI has been targeted for election theft for quite awhile now.

They probably won't follow on this, but I did just send to the 2 major local tv news outlets in Grand Rapids.

These slimy Fascist SOB's just don't quit, and the Fundie Repugs in Michigan are some of the very worst. It would have been smart of Congressional dems (cough...Nancy) to get Rover locked up or preoccupied before the election.

one time - so long as your new residence is within the same Congressional District as your previous address. This is a sensible policy and I would expect it to be in place in many states -- because people do sometimes move and forget to update their voter registration or they move just after the close of a voter registration period for an upcoming election.

If this is on the Michigan law books then the Democratic Party must educate voters and get lawyers in every polling location to make sure that voters' rights are respected.

I always knew that "ownership society" would mean returning the vote to land-owning white males.

...a form in the mail from the republican party, asking him to switch party affiliation.

My mother was just explaining to me how my dad's name was taken off the voting roster right after his passing (without having to inform anyone). She thinks the GOP got his name from the phone book (like many windows my mom still uses his name for the phone listing). ...But, I can't see how the GOP would know he was a democrat from his phone listing.

If my mother was an unethical republican, she could have registered a dead person as a new republican.

Of course, I wouldn't do anything like that. But it sounded like an interesting idea.

we use a printout down here that shows if a person voted in the last 6 Democratic primaries and the last 4 general election cycles.

so if their data is old enough they probably know he voted for some Democrat some where some time.

Or else they are just assuming.

The Republicans want to deny the right to vote to those poor people who are also losing their homes, thanks to Bush and his team's doings over the past 8 years. This has to be stopped.

Which is, of course, unconstitutional.

these people suck. And it amazes me when I hear freepers crow about the brilliant strategies put through by Rove and company. It's like saying Ed Gyne was a great tailor.

They are pulling out all the stops.

Up here you just show proof of your new address. I hope the ACLU has people posted on site as well.

What if the person has a new address, like an apartment? Or is staying with relatives? Why would the fact of foreclosure prevent voting?

I guess everyone - and I mean everyone - needs to get their drivers licenses updated immediately with a new and valid address so they can vote.

This is bizarre.

I sent a copy of this story to the Michigan Democratic Party as well as the DNC....

Jesus Fucking Christ - 2000 (Florida), 2004 (Ohio), we don't need repeat of past horrors...

unless you owned land.

insignificunt bastardi.
(sorry, but that scene in that Boston based movie just popped into my head)

:puke:
They are the fucking mob-not a shred of decency or honesty. Talk about fucking low...

Heartless bastards that they are.

K&R

We knew they were going to do it, yet I am still disgusted beyond words.

I just registered with the democratic party to have a voter registration event in my town.... and i also sent a copy of this article to OBAMAS campaign.

The pukes get people thrown out of their homes, and then dent them the right to vote for someone that may help them?
What is this? 1776? 1930?

I won't let this happen in MY hometown! dammit :mad:

I will alert the Detroit branch of the NAACP in the a.m. Hopefully, they're already on it and they are really effective in getting the word out. I'm also going to suggest that the poles be monitored in that area by NAACP members.}(

I can't find anything intelligent to say right now - my rational mind is being choked by a black cloud of rage and despair. But, I'll donate to the Obama campaign again tonight. This thread will be the main reason. I will also be passing the link to anyone I can find who will listen about voter "caging" and election theft.

I think We should challenge McSame's vote and make him prove that not only does he actually live at the house in the district where he is voting, but also that he is not voting more then once.

Yesterday it was Virginia with the false assertions being mailed out about ineligibility to vote and now this.
These scumbags are going one state at a time and fixing this horse race before it even begins.
Better start brushing up on my german....

who have never been forced to move because of the foreclosure? What happens to renters or new buyers of the foreclosed properties? How accurate will these lists of properties be?

And it looks like the Republicans are only challenging foreclosures in "certain" areas. My God, have they no shame?

is in the owner's name which might even be a partnership or company.

New buyers may not be living in the property yet. Renters may not have changed addresses yet, and actually still vote from most recent address, depending on timing.

wouldn't it seem reasonable that if the Republican election people have a list of foreclosed properties, then it is easy enough to obtain? So you make those addresses the target of your voter registration/get out the vote block walking, phone banking etc.

DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO GET IN CONTACT WITH HIM..TRIED MSNBC SITE BUT NO DICE...

HE WILL GET ON IT.

people are registered to vote from where they are living. BTW, most shelters will let you use their address or help one get a po box. Send this information to your state and county officials and don't let them disenfranchise these voters. We need to fight for every vote. We have enough time to get this done if we act nom. Thanks pukes for the heads=up.

...and here I thought Republicans had no housing policy.

I cannot express how deeply I hate them.

We have got to fight this bullshit with everything we've got.

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"MEDIA EMAIL ADDRESSES
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"There is NO preferred way to use this list. Some people send emails to their Congressional Representatives and CC (copy) all the media email addresses."

"US RADIO NETWORKS:

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The list goes on and on.

When our corporate TV, radio, & print media fail to print important stories to favor one party over the other, we should turn up the heat.

Called Granholm's office. Was told her office has no oversight. They sent me to the department of civil rights, whose first response was: "...and what would you like us to do about it?"
DOES NO ONE CARE???

I am not giving up. Someone needs to give a shit.

Under Michigan Law, one may vote from the last place one was registered even after moving, the last chance, and then at the same time as voting, one files change of address.

Furthermore, there is no correlation between foreclosure and moving out.

Ignorance of the law, I suppose? Michigan radio stations need to be notified and warn the public so they will know their rights.

which will delay the voting process for everyone there. It's harrassment, pure and simple. Intimidation. As a poll worker, I am NOT looking forward to this election. There will be anger, if not violence...and we are a Democratic city!

They cannot stop a person from voting, but they can sure make it painful. The only way such tactics might be preventable would be to get an injunction in court that challengers may not challenge on the basis of a foreclosure....

I saw my first McCain sticker today--black with small white letters. It looked like a funeral announcement or something...

and was immediately shot down as "illegal", etc, etc.

so how come someone is not now using this argument to the REPUKES?!?!?!

IF the repukes are doing it, then us Democrats should be doing it. Only then, IF they stop the Dems from doing it, then they bettere damn well shut down the repukes AT THE SAME EXACT MOMENT. If they refuse to make the rupukes comply equally with the Dems, then we should have no recourse but to make sure that ALL voting for EVERYONE is STOPPED by ANY MEANS POSSIBLE. Period.

NO MORE BROOKES BROTHERS TYPE RIOTS!!! If THEY want to start an INCIDENT, then WE better be damn well prepared to FINISH it to OUR satisfaction...!!!

...that until a set of universal standards for voter eligibility is established, along with severe penalties for officials violating a person's right to vote under those standards, they'll just keep on fucking us over, and over, and over. Specifically, if these people know that the only price they'll have to pay for stealing elections is the possibility of losing one somewhere along the way, they'll have no incentive for not trying. Hell, I'd be for making it, potentially, a capital offense - hang some of the bastards every now and then just to show 'em that this is serious.

In the meantime, one of these days some poor old geezer or lady, working the polls as part a Sunday School volunteer project, is gonna deny the wrong person their right to cast a vote and are gonna' get their asses kicked, or worse. You can't do people this way and not expect somebody to react.

... and also one of the highest voting rates in the nation, year-after-year.

A group of Minnesota House Republicans were working on a plan to require photo IDs last year, but I *believe* that got stalled in committee. You can still register SAME DAY without one under four scenarios, including having a registered voter in your district vouch for you by singing an oath of your residence (see http://www.sos.state.mn.us/home/index.asp?page=204).

I live in Macomb-the Warren part is Sander Levin's district. People who fear being disenfranchised in southern Macomb should try to contact his office-it may be difficult, because his wife just died, but he is known for fighting this kind of BS.

Be very afraid. This is similar to what got Bush elected am I right?

A list could be obtained by the OB folks on the ground, find the folks and give them ballots to mark

This story needs to be widely reported. If its happening in Michigan and Ohio, it must be happening in other states. Contact as many reporters, commentators, editors as possible and get them to cove this story:


Rachel Maddow- rachel@msnbc.com

Keith Olbermann countdown@msnbc.com

Chris Matthews hardball@msnbc.com


Other media outlets available here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x577295

Tell the people you care about to register and vote.... then volunteer and recruit more volunteers for the Obama Campaign.... Time is now...

Should I be? Is it legal or not? Is it just BS that they cannot really enforce? Who should we be calling or emailing? Will I go to jail if I physically remove people trying to suppress voters? If someone tries to stop me from voting, and I have to resort to use physical force to proceed, what will happen? Where can I get some answers??

~

The fact that your home has been foreclosed means you are no longer qualified to VOTE??!

Only in Republican Land.

This type of election fraud will only continue and worsen as long as the people and their media accept it time and time again. We know that the elections of 2000 and 2004 had highly suspect results due to inauditable Diebold voting machines, and in most circles if you even mention this people look at your like you're wearing a tinfoil hat. Do you think for one minute we would see such complacency if it were some liberals who had benefitted from such a dubious election??

I think sometimes we have exactly the government we deserve.

Contact the Governor: Gov. Granholm just appeared on MSNBC's Race for the White House-would have been a great time to get the word out about this!

Governor Granholm's Offices:

Governor Jennifer M. Granholm
P.O. Box 30013
Lansing, Michigan 48909
PHONE: (517) 373-3400
PHONE: (517) 335-7858 - Constituent Services
FAX:(517) 335-6863

SE Michigan Office
3022 W. Grand Blvd.
Cadillac Place, Suite 14-150
Detroit, MI 48202
(313) 456-0010 Northern Michigan Office
1504 West Washington, Suite B
Marquette, MI 49855
(906) 228-2850 Washington D.C. Office
444 N. Capitol Street, Northwest
Hall of the States, Suite 411
Washington, D.C. 20001
(202) 624-5840


Sorry, I don't have an email address, but if you have unlimited long distance, call and leave a message about this.

You just have to be heartless and diabolical enough to find it.

K&R

Innocent people are being punished for foreclosures on their homes. This will end up dragging the whole country down! :cry:

1) I'm wondering how safe it is for some weasel Republican to go into a heavily black neighborhood and start trying to stop them from voting for the first viable black candidate for president of the United States. These guys who need a "daddy" to protect them from the big bad boogey man.

2) This is clearly a violation of the Civil Rights Act if they have orchestrated an effort to target black neighborhoods. I wonder if there any court action that can be taken on this basis since the "morans" are so openly bragging about it.

taxpayers to bail them out > they then use the addresses of the foreclosed upon to yank their vote > It's a double win for the richest and a double heartbreaking loss for the neediest. Damm you. GD you. Usary politicians. Head Hurts.

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going to have plenty to say in the days ahead. Factually, until someone is literally evicted, they can still use the address and a foreclosure notice alone is not enough to reject anyone's vote. Good scare tactic tho'. Pretty stupid I think as the author of this travesty seems to assume that only Democrats have had foreclosures.

Re-register as soon as they have a new address.

Besides, residency requirements of 6 months or a year would have gone back further than the for closure. As long as they remain in the same area, it shouldn't be a problem anyway.

Also, with all the illegal connections the thugs have, do we even know if they aren't targeting DEMS to have an excuse to cage them out of their voting rights?


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“You can’t challenge people without a factual basis for doing so,” said J. Gerald Hebert, a former voting rights litigator for the U.S. Justice Department who now runs the Campaign Legal Center, a Washington D.C.-based public-interest law firm. “I don’t think a foreclosure notice is sufficient basis for a challenge, because people often remain in their homes after foreclosure begins and sometimes are able to negotiate and refinance.”

http://www.votepoke.org/

And yes, I'm spamming it. :P

but i admit, that i am a little disturbed by the votepoke site's insistence that you fill in an e-mail address to get your voter status.

It's bullshit that they say they don't put you on any lists...

:(

The VotePoke site told me i was not registered.

Just called my Town Offices. It seems i am.

Not only were they wrong but they've already sent me 2 e-mails... with no apparent way to get off their "list"


I for one think people should go to the website for their SOS to get their registration status.


Please do not gleefully spam with this site anymore.

:(

The reason they are doing this may well be partisan but it seems to make sense to me.

Am I wrong?

A) Foreclosure notice alone does not necessarily mean the homeowner no longer occupies the home!
It may take many months from the time a foreclosure notice is filed to the time the homeowner actually moves.

B) These challenges are designed to accomplish at least three things:

1) embarrass and intimidate those who are facing foreclosure into staying away from the polls
2) tie up the polls with challenges that create such long lines that even those eligible to vote are forced to wait so long to vote, they may give up and leave
3) confuse those facing foreclosure into believing that the foreclosure alone is enough to limit their rights to vote, keeping them from even attempting to vote

Don't believe that they will challenge all voters. They will cross check the foreclosure list with their lists of those registered Democratic in neighborhoods with large Democratic and (according to the article) African American populations. These are the voters they will challenge. How will these homeowners prove they still reside in their homes once they arrive at the polls?

Unless they leave the state, they should be able to vote in their own state. Lack of a permanent fixed address does not take away your right to vote.

These folks were living at these addresses when they registered. Just because they are in foreclosure does not mean that they are no longer there residing. Plus, if you're in foreclosure, you may be taking care of some things other than updating your voter registration. Plus, it's been shown time and time again that this sort of thing does more to disenfranchise legal voters, and exerting a chilling effect, than it does to prevent actual voter fraud, which is virtually nonexistent.

Anytime you give the Republicans a way to take away people's right to vote, they use it. Any new reason is the nose of the camel. If your name's John Smith, and there's a John Smith on the list, they will challenge you, if they think they know you're voting the "wrong" way.

they will be turned away at the polls and will accept it as TRUTH AND IT IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

He's from our state and he'll be pissed!! I'll send an email at his site, but if anyone knows a better way to get this info to him, go for it.

They will plant these challengers only in the areas with higher African American populations. They know that turnout will be high in these areas and they are going to try to stop it. Rethuglicans are slime.

They know they will goober up the voting process by doing this as well. I plan on voting early in the AM to make sure I vote. MI residents...make sure you are in line waiting before the polls close, so they have to let you vote. Do not be afraid to ask the Democratic challengers for help. They can assist you ;)

claiming voting is a privilege For Rich PIGS and 'home OWNERS' only.What about renters? What about the homeless,What about people off the grid,travelers...Where is the Guillotine?

of a voter to exclude him from voting. I guess they know that the unemployed and underemployed don't plan to vote for McCain so why not profit from their hardship. Sick.

Lets have a three strikes and your out policy on voting challenges. As they do now each party can put a certain number of poll watchers at a polling place. Let's say 3 per party. Each of those poll watchers can challenge as many people as they want, but if they are proved to have challenged 3 people in error they are forcibly removed from the polling place, they can't return and they can't be replaced. This gives each party 9 bad challenges and they are banned from that polling place for that election. This way they can't just go in with some list and start randomly challenging people because there is every chance that they will just get themselves kicked out. Any party that is more interested in keeping people from voting than making sure as many people vote as possible should be punished in some way. It would be hard but come up with a formula that says if a certain percentage of a parties poll watchers are thrown out during a particular election in a particular district that party loses its right to place challengers in that district in the next election. If a particular party has a large number of people being removed due to bad challenges across a state then that party should be banned from placing challengers in the next election statewide. Apply the same kind of formula across the country and they lose the right to place watchers for the next election period. If they are only interested in making sure the election laws are followed and not just in suppressing opposition voting they should have no problem with this.

The Dems need to concentrate their election challengers in areas where there are known concentrations of GOP Pod people. Everyone knows Pod people have no homes. There only purpose in life is to show up for GOP conventions every four years to fill the seats and clap on que.

We have a government
For the People
By the People
and of the People

The only thing left is the qualification to be one of the 'People',and that is enough money to own a house.
Of course all Republicans are automatically included in the 'People'.

so we can ensure that these people are properly registered. The thugs are the party that hinders voters. The Dems are the party that helps voters.

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Sounds like a lawsuit to me.

Republican style no regulation/no oversight economics caused you to lose your house, NOW they want to prevent you from voting against them by eliminating families that have been foreclosed on from the voting roles. Barack, Are you Listening? we need to nail these fuckers.

against their foreclosure list.

Or will they only do that if the voter is brown? Hmm.

This is how we deal with this:


The GOP is going to focus on South Macomb, as that is Sandy Levin's district and is mostly blue collar, union voters (like me). That is also where the most people have lost their jobs and have been foreclose on in the county-Warren, Eastpointe, etc. The MI Dems need to be prepared and focus their efforts on this area.

In the meantime, we need to send poll watchers up to Candice Miller's district, in Sterile Whites and the townships.


I'm concerned that they will try this crap in Detroit, too, but yet, most republicans are afraid to go anywhere south of 8 Mile RD, unless it's to a Tiger/Red Wing/Lions game, or the Detroit Economic Club.

Source: The Michigan Messenger

Michigan Republicans plan to foreclose African American voters

The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP’s effort to challenge some voters on Election Day.

“We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren’t voting from those addresses,” party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week. He said the local party wanted to make sure that proper electoral procedures were followed.

Read more: http://www.michiganmessenger.com/4076/lose-your-house-lose-your-vote

MUST move out of the house! That means they will have a new address, and with all the emotional upset created by a foreclosure, the last thing on their mind would be to update their voter registration! It has nothing to do with owning your home! It's what your CURRENT address is!

and then the Registrar's office can sort out later which precinct your vote will be counted in. They don't just disqualify you from voting just because you moved recently or are in the process of moving, for whatever reason. How low can they get - just to take away someone's voting rights because they have fallen on hard times (due to the Republicans' policies, probably.)

Remember what a big deal the late military ballots were in 2000? These are Americans who have been screwed by Bush's housing bust and now they're getting fucked over yet again by Republicans. This country is getting more and more 15th century ever day.

For some reason, DU won't let me respond to that poster, so I'll say it here...lots of provisional ballots are NEVER COUNTED!!!!!

People who rent can vote so this doesnt make any sense.Damn repukes will do anything to steal this election.They have to be called on this

Apparently the Pubs are sending out applications for absentee ballots to all Dem and Indi voters in all the swing states, and they have a not forwardable clause on the envelope, which means if the adressee is not at THAT address, the mail goes back to the sender. They will then use those returned mail pieces to do their caging list! ADDITIONALLY, the address that is given in that mail to return your application for your absentee ballot doesn't necessarily go to your State Registrar! DO NOT USE THAT APPLICATION TO REQUEST AN ABSENTEE BALLOT!

You can go to your State web site to apply for an absentee ballot, or contact your local Dem Party for help!

Somehow, we need to contact ALL voters and tell them to check their registration! If you moved for ANY REASON, you MUST update your voter registration info!

people that move from their district can't vote, so why should people that move from their district because of losing their home be allowed to?

establish and new address (New home, apt, ect...) and this shouldn't be a problem.

The problem I have is that if the Republicans were really worried about only valid voters voting they would do this kind of research all year every year. If they were the true blue patriotic Americans they claim to be they would be trying to find these people and help them register to vote to make sure as many people vote as possible. They would be targeting all districts not just Democratic leaning districts. They wouldn't wait till just before the deadline to reregister to make the challenges. Anyway you look at this is simply an attempt to suppress the Democratic vote. I will admit in my 20's when I was moving around quite a bit in my home town as many young people do I still voted from my parents address. Yes in elections that directly effected only their district maybe that wasn't right (small town so not many instances of this happening) but for city wide, county, state or national elections as long as I was only registered in one place and voted in that place what difference should it make. I guess with the idea of establishing another address (apt, home, whatever) you figure that truly homeless people should lose their right to vote? If my foreclosure or eviction happens right before the voting deadline and I am down on my luck and can't establish a new address before the deadline tough luck you don't get to vote. Come on! In this country the 'bastion of democracy' we should be making every effort to make sure people can vote not every effort to keep them from voting.

I remember some time way back a lobbyist group for the homeless worked to get this changed. Because the homeless had no address, they were denied the right to vote. I thought this was taken care of. Anyone know the details? Was it just in some states?

http://www.nationalhomeless.org/getinvolved/projects/vote/court.html

YOU DON't need a home to vote!
2008-2009 Voter Rights/Registration Packet


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Court Decisions on Homeless People’s Voting Rights

Listed below are selected court cases in which courts have addressed the ambiguities in state election laws and found that homeless people cannot be denied the right to vote.