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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:53 PM
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Is Palin influencing white women? CNN poll contradicts WP/ABC poll
Source: CNN

(CNN) – Did John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate cause a major shift of white women toward the Republican presidential ticket? Not according to the latest CNN/Opinion Research Corporation polls.

The pick of Palin, the first female Republican VP candidate, was designed in part to lure women voters to the GOP ticket, with McCain aides hoping a significant proportion of that voting bloc would identify with Palin's working-mom credentials. But in a CNN/ORC survey released Monday, McCain drew 56 percent of support from registered white women — a statistically insignificant 3 points more than his support among that demographic in the week before he picked Palin as his VP.

'In CNN/Opinion Research Corporation polls, Barack Obama was losing white women before the conventions, and he's losing them now,' CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. 'His problems with this important voting bloc didn't start when Sarah Palin joined the GOP ticket.'

These numbers appear to contradict findings from a recently released Washington Post/ABC News poll that suggested the Arizona senator gained 20 points among white women after Palin joined the ticket and prompted several stories of the Illinois senator's new problem with this key demographic.

But the CNN/ORC poll indicates McCain is even more popular among white women than Palin is (69 vs. 65 percent approval) — evidence his support among that demographic may be attributed to his own appeal, not Palin's. Obama and Joe Biden are also popular with white women, though not to quite the same degree: 58 percent said they held a favorable view of Obama while 55 percent said the same of Biden in the latest poll.

'White women have a favorable view of Sarah Palin, but they have a favorable view of Barack Obama and Joe Biden as well,' Holland said....

Read more: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/10/is-palin-influencing-white-women-2/#more-17891
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:55 PM
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1. Why would Obama be losing white women?
Anybody have any opinion on that? He sure hasn't lost me! And I can't think of a think he's done that might have incited an exodus.

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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:00 PM
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3. My take is that losing white women would be part of the race tightening.
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 01:01 PM by DeepModem Mom
At one point, Obama was somewhat farther ahead of McCain; then the race tightened, as Presidential races almost always do. So that would mean that Obama would see a fall-off among white women, as well as among other demographic groups.

I think this poll is saying that there hasn't been a point where all of a sudden, Obama lost a huge percentage of white women, in particular.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:04 PM
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4. Me either.
I'm more for him than I ever was.
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:34 PM
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10. Race...
There is no other explanation, in my opinion. He is losing Hillary supporters. How any Hillary supporter can vote for McCain/Palin can only be explained by their fear of a black President. I find it really sad.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:19 PM
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16. i think it's
OLD white women mostly.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:51 PM
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19. i don't know about that either. i have a couple "old" white women
in my family (one in her 80s and one in her late 70s) and they are absolutely completely for obama
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social_science Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:54 PM
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21. that ABC poll showed that it was largely "women with children at home"
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 02:56 PM by social_science
who are in mccain's camp. so not likely old women. CNN didn't release detailed numbers from their poll, so you can't tell why their findings are different.
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social_science Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:48 PM
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18. looking more closely at the poll data,
that is available here,

http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1070a1AftertheConventions.pdf

here is what I saw:

"white women" (sorry for the annoying demographic categorization, but it's what they use) show a lot more support for mccain. but the data show that former white women clinton supporters still prefer obama overwhelmingly: the breakdown among them is 72% for obama, 23% per mccain (rest undecided). this is essentially the same as before palin.

now, it is possible that clinton could have eventually won these undecided women over had she been the nominee. so there may be something to the argument that palin has drawn "would-be" clinton voters to mccain. but there is nothing in this poll to show that she has drawn those who were actively supporting clinton. that is, active clinton supprters have NOT switched over to mccain in significant numbers according to this poll.

someone else mentioned race, and that is a big factor in these poll data. the press release says: "McCain now leads Obama by 55-38 percent among whites overall, up from a narrower 49-43 percent race among whites last month. Among nonwhites, Obama's supported by 79 percent overall, compared with 73 percent last month; that includes a near-unanimous 96 percent of blacks and a 2-1 Obama lead among Hispanics, similar to previous levels."

note that this poll us based on "registered voters", not "likely voters", so it's actually more reliable than some of the other stuff that's out there.

finally, I tried to look at the CNN poll, but their press release is a measly two pages that shows none of the details on gender and other demographics. what they have provided to the public gives no way to verify what they claim in the article.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:54 PM
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20. Why did this subject just make me think of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulGdqcez2JM&feature=related

Lol! They're with OBAMA, and it makes the wingers heads explode!
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:15 PM
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28. I think it is the anti-abortion group...because if women want their
rights they would not vote for this ticket...and I believe that the women that wanted him before palin still want him...you know they due skew these polls...settle down
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 12:57 PM
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2. Beyond making my stomach roil and increasing the
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 12:57 PM by enlightenment
amount of time I spend banging my head against the wall, she's not influencing me . . .
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:07 PM
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5. Because White Women can be just as prejudice and ignorant as white men

The ignorance is astounding.
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:57 PM
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22. Oh no, it's because she has a vagina and we do too that we are suppose to support her
:sarcasm: We are smart enough to graduate from college but not smart enough to vote.
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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:07 PM
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6. How does anybody define ¨white woman¨ politically?
And it´s not Panlin influencing anybody, it´s the idea of Palin. She hasn´t said anything since being picked up.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:10 PM
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7. yeah, he's popular until you mention to them that he wants to draft their sons
let's see just how popular he remains when he institutes the draft.
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faulknercindy Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:26 PM
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8. He' s not losing this white woman
I think they are full of b.s. anyway. how much polling is being done amongst the young cell phone carrying crowd. Remember folks electoral college delegate counts.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:32 PM
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9. The key word here is "FAVORABLE". I have favorable opinon of many people I wouldn't vote for.
I have a very favorable opinion of my representative Mike Castle here in Delaware and I would gladly say that to any poll that asks me of that. However, Castle is still a republican and as much as I do like the guy it does not mean I'll vote for him.

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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:41 PM
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11. This morning, I received a digest e-mail from the mailing list
of the alumni of a women's group that I used to belong to. One person suggested expressing outrage at the selection of Sarah Palin by making a big donation to the Obama campaign. No one on the list disagreed.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:50 PM
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14. One post and you are already bashing the Democratic Candidate.
I think you are a fake.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:57 PM
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15. Pizza Has Already Been Delivered
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 01:48 PM
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13. Their polls are fake and simply used to manipulate public opinion.
America is now officially a Banana Republic. Polls are used to manipulate and deceive NOT to accurately record opinion. Don't trust them. They are simply lies the Republicons are trying to sell you on.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:05 PM
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27. So, the polls are being skewed in hopes of a "join the bandwagon" effect?
Look at all those white women dumping Obama for McCain. Those Obama Girls are now McCain Girls.

Sounds like a GOP ploy. I guess they want the rest of us to follow those women to the other side.
Yeah, right.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:25 PM
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17. The entire premise is insulting to all women.
Did anyone really think that white women would abandon a strong Democratic ticket to vote for an incompetent right-wing lunatic just because she's a woman?

Or did they just assume that white women are so racist that they won't vote for a black man?

Either way, they're wrong. Totally wrong.

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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 02:59 PM
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23. the only way she's influencing this white woman is to be EXTRA SURE
that she/McSame do NOT get elected.

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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:00 PM
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24. Well she's influencing ME to empathise with all those who think she's
a pile of GOP garbage.
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:00 PM
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25. Well she's influencing ME to empathise with all those who think she's
a pile of GOP garbage.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:04 PM
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26. He's not losing this white woman!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:25 PM
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29. It's stupid on it's face.
The very fact that these weasels think they have the right and the ability to speak for what "white women" are thinking or how "white women" are planning to vote is ALL you really need to know. If they had the slightest honesty or integrity they would AT LEAST state that they are making a guess or an error-prone statistical estimate of what a fictional "white woman" will eventually decide to do.
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