Poll: Swing state voters approve of Palin

Source: NYTimes



THE RACE: The presidential race in Florida



McCain now has a 7-point lead over Obama; the same poll taken last month showed McCain with just a 4-point edge over the Democrat. Six in 10 likely voters in Florida say Sarah Palin was a good choice for McCain's running mate. About half, or 47 percent, say they have a favorable opinion of the Alaska governor, while 30 percent say they have not heard enough about her. McCain has a 13-point lead among men and is roughly even with Obama among women. Almost a quarter of those who supported Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary say they are backing McCain. That's up from the 14 percent of Clinton supporters that backed him in the same poll last month.



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Discouraging

We have a lot of work to do and it's better that we are behind because we won't just sit around and think we have it in the bag.

The media is going to kiss her ass. The only way voters will find out the truth is if Democrats aim at her character and expose the truth about her.

Hoping that voters figure it out by watching the media, without attacking, would be a losing strategy.

Undecided voters will vote on character, not issues.

If they voted on character, neither McAin't nor Moose Killer would stand a chance.

down here. My mother is Cuban, but she's black so most people don't know it. She's been privy to some real good old fashioned Cuban racist conversations. Cubans vote Republican anyway. But this year they have added incentive because there is no way they would "vote por el negro." Couple that with all the morons north of Palm Beach County, and there ya go. I still think Obama has a chance if he campaigns here heavily.

around your mother have no trouble saying that they would not vote "por el negro".

I wonder how many of them are "negros", or are they all "rubios"?

and now they are running the country...

And hanging on by three in Pennsyvania. Overall this is good news because, as we all remember hearing from 2004 over and over again, Ohio and Pennsylvania can get Obama past 270!

As a sidenote, Florida is a notoriously difficult state to poll given just how many different types of regions is has. And we all know this race is going to be about ground game more than anything else. Polls aren't always going to come out in our favor so we can't get too discouraged!

"Overall this is good news because, as we all remember hearing from 2004 over and over again, Ohio and Pennsylvania can get Obama past 270!"

The election isn't for almost 2 months, so the spreads between the candidates are not predictive of the voting behavior in November. But Obama has to change the direction of the voters. I agree with the numbers: give me Ohio + PA, and I'll accept the loss of FL. But I think Obama has lost the momentum in the election.

He'll regain it, I hope and believe, during/after the debates.

Here's a pretty perceptive analysis of Ovbama's mistakes...

Obama's woes have nothing to do with 'lipstick'
Howard Fineman on the candidate's pride, strategy and stump speak
By Howard Fineman updated 12:01 p.m. ET, Wed., Sept. 10, 2008

WASHINGTON - No, Barack Obama was not making fun of Sarah Palin when he talked about some Republican putting “lipstick on a pig.”

He was trying to be colloquial, and John McCain’s campaign knew as much – even as it was going theatrically ballistic.

That’s not to say that Obama hasn’t made mistakes. In fact, he’s made – and is making – a lot.

For two years, Obama played the golf course of presidential politics with the ice-cold self-assuredness of a Tiger Woods. But since securing the Democratic nomination, he’s made a series of strategic errors that could jeopardize his chances in November.

Declining to take federal financing for the general election...

Declining McCain’s offer to hold ten town hall debates...

Failing to go all the way with the Clintons....

The 22-state strategy...

Failing to state a sweeping, but concrete, policy idea...

Remaining trapped in professor-observer speak...

Failing to attack McCain early...

Does all of this mean that Obama is somehow doomed? Of course not. He is a quick study and a fast learner, and the team of McCain and Palin is capable of making their own set of mistakes.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26640489/

that the General Election is entirely different.

In the Primary the Democrats and Media protected Obama. I told you
then the GOP would not be afraid to fight passionately for their
side.

this election season.

Those poll numbers are already outdated, but as you point out Ohio is far better than it was

I also believe that Florida, especially the Jewish vote is going to have major problems with mccain's VP

The record number of new registrations that we are getting, along with the young, and women vote will cause us to do much better

mccian has overplayed their hand. They have been pushing distraction because they do NOT want to talk about issues, since that is their weak point. The "lipstick on a pig" phoney outrage was the last straw, and you might have noticed that the media did NOT
fall in line behind the mccain camp on this. In fact just the opposite

The bump that the republicans from the convention/palin is already starting to fade.

By the end of next week it will be noticable, and we will start gaining again

But, you know, if Obama doesn't have the courage to attack and speak out about several things (McCain's flip-flops, the Iraq oil situation, Palin's record), then he deserves to lose. We need a candidate with some fucking courage.

Granted, much of McCain's bounce is due to the sheep-like thinking Palin's speech was the greatest speech ever because they can't think for themselves and the corporate media told them the speech was great.

for the Republicans. If Obama can pull it out there, it becomes a very tough road to the WH for McCain.

Hi Friends and Fellow Democrats,

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Please watch this music video that couldn't be a better anthem endorsing Barack Obama.
I feel that it completely sums up our concerns and hopes for a brighter future.

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Thank you for your time

Sincerely,

Darryl Smithburg

But I pretty much thought Obama wasn't going to win FL from the start

These will all go down again to where they were ... and even farther now that Mrs Moose's real nature is coming to the fore.

... for the bounce to clear out. Ask any pollster.

Are you going to hang around, hoping for the worst or accept the fact that good things also happen?

We have again underestimated the power of the media to put lipstick on a pig
and convince the viewers that she's the hottest thing in town.

About 1/3 of the voters will believe ANYTHING the Tee Vee tells them.

The end is here, everything is lost, it's better for you to just sit there and do nothing.
Why try when you can be a cynical pessimist and enjoy the "rightness" of your misery.

Now you're arguing with people telling you the truth, Andy. Go and enjoy your negativity.

Incidentally, if you guys are such "realists", why do you refuse to accept scientific/experiential
evidence that is positive? On second thought, don't bother to answer that. I know the answer.

There is some evidence that the "bounce" is fading, and I am cheered a bit by that.

Nonetheless, one cannot help being a bit shocked at the ease with which the MSM
turned on a dime to get behind Palin and got much of the electorate to do likewise.
Even if it turns out to be temporary. They will do it again.

Obama, and he has called Palin, "scary." He also expressed civil liberty concerns, but that never seemed to bother him under Bush who he supported in the past. Palin's religious background is steeped in enough controversy regarding the notion of converting Jews to Christianity. That is what I believe Koch finds "scary" about Palin. Koch said he would be happy to campaign for Obama, I say, send him to Florida asap.

What with the MSM kissing her ass at every possible turn and the fact that she hasn't said anything NEW (that can be criticized) since the RNC. Every speech she made between the RNC and her sequester back at home has been the same as her RNC speech. Same lies, same rhetoric, same crap.

The fact that the MSM keeps kissing her ass is what really riles me. AC360 had the audacity to say (with FactCheck backing them up) that her special needs budget cutting wasn't a cut but a per-student gain and was just wild internet rumors by "democratic blogs". I'm sorry, but I have the Alaska Office of Management & Budget documents right in front of me. Since when is going from 8.5 million spending per year to 3.1 million spending not a cut? If I have 10 dollars one day and I spend 8 dollars on food, then the next day I have the same 10 dollars and spend 3 dollars on food, I CUT MY FOOD SPENDING. It's a cut no matter how they try to spin it.

Americans might not think they're stupid, but they're force fed stupidity on a platter nightly.

The newest scheme is to over represent or increase the weighted value of repukes in the poll samples. Until they release their poll's party identification, this poll will be ignored as another scam.

A nice image, yes that is what the campaign has become, and otherwise an empty suit.

How typically American.

my sister is registering to vote for the first time in over 20 years - thanks to PALIN pick - she is voting for OBAMA

mccain had my mom leaning his way - until PALIN, now she's voting for OBAMA

my uncle and aunt were also leaning toward mccain, thanks to PALIN they will be voting for OBAMA.

because of palin, the rest of my aunts relatives are voting for OBAMA

early on.

Republicans and the corporate media will define her for themselves, and once the opinions have taken hold, they're hard to change.

The Obama campaign was warned repeated about that from multiple sources, yet they continued idly on in the same lame way as campaigns in the past. With predictable results.

So, this is really nothing new.

Nevertheless, the Obama campaign should invest heavily in Florida and force McCain to do battle and spend money in a state that he "should" win.

Oh bullshit. There is no way in hell. I have YET to run across ONE person that fucking likes her.

The more we make insulting and anti conservative claims against McCain Palin, the sooner we can drag them back down to where Obama is now. We should NEVER let up regardless of what ANYONE else says, even Obama

I'm beginning to just feel like they should get what they seem to really want. Yeah, the other half of us will suffer too, but at least we'll be expecting it. It'll be a total surprise to them when they are not raptured and Jesus does not come back to step in front of the nuclear bomb for them.

Might as well include that portion with the Alabama polls.

I wonder how many of those swing state voters kids are ready for this.

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