Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Honduras in diplomatic snub to U.S. over Bolivia

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:29 PM
Original message
Honduras in diplomatic snub to U.S. over Bolivia
Source: Reuters UK

Honduras, a former U.S. ally in Central America now run by a leftist government, told a U.S. envoy not to present his credentials as ambassador on Friday in a diplomatic snub in support of Bolivia.

Bolivia and anti-U.S. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez are in a fight with Washington over what they see as U.S. support for violent protests against Bolivian President Evo Morales.

Honduran President Manuel Zelaya, who has moved the country closer to Chavez, was due to receive a new U.S. ambassador on Friday in a ceremony at which the envoy would present a letter with his diplomatic credentials.

But Zelaya temporarily put off the event in support of Bolivia, a government source said.

"The government decided to temporarily suspend the reception of the new ambassador's letter of credentials in solidarity with Bolivian President Evo Morales," the source said. The snub means that envoy Hugo Llorens is not officially U.S. ambassador.

Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN1240144420080912
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:32 PM
Response to Original message
1. Muy bien hecho! Well done! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:33 PM
Response to Original message
2. On deck: Ecuador, Paraguay...
Nobody wants to be the last country to expel the US ambassador.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. Argentina and Brazil are good possibilities, cuz the Bushwhack white separatists
in Bolivia are blowing up their gas pipelines. Argentina and Brazil are the chief customers for Bolivia's gas. About a month ago, they announced that they would not recognize or trade with any secessionist provinces in Bolivia. They need to take further action on this. It may be pressure on our Bushwhack junta to back off on its war plans in South America. And if they don't get anywhere, they too could cut off diplomatic relations. This is very serious. The Bushwhacks have alienated basically all of Latin America (witness Honduras, once a U.S. lackey state, last week giving the Bushites the finger and joining the Bolivarian trade group, ALBA, and this week snubbing the U.S. ambassador in sympathy with Bolivia!)--but they have alienated South America most of all, and the South Americans have good unity on a number of things, including their recently formed South American "Common Market" (not including the U.S.), and goals of social justice, self-determination and the sovereignty of Latin American countries.

The Bushwhacks have absolutely blown it, in South America--and Central America is astir with very popular leftist candidates for president (El Salvador, Panama), the Sandinistas elected in Nicaragua, the first progressive government, ever, elected Guatemala, and a leftist coming within a hairsbreadth--0.05%--of becoming president of Mexico.

This may be it--the permanent alienation of the northern and southern halves of this hemisphere. If McBush is (s)elected, it will be permanent--and, while we are turned into the biggest "banana republic" on earth--run by Corpo/fascists--it will be South America's century, not ours. They have the resources. They have democracy and visionary leadership. They have the passion for self-determination. They are us two hundred and thirty-three years ago, chafing at the bit to run their own affairs! If we were--by some miracle--able to recognize ourselves, we could all prosper. But that ain't the Bushite plan. And, as for Obama, I really don't know what he intends (except that I'm sure he would more peaceful than McBush).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #8
23. Fortunately they got the gas moving again, today:
Bolivian gas exports to Brazil unblocked
Posted on Fri, Sep. 12, 2008
LA PAZ -- A pipeline company official says Bolivia's natural gas exports to Brazil have been almost completely restored.

Hugo Muñoz, an advisor to Bolivia's Transierra company, tells The Associated Press that only 10 percent -- or 3 million cubic meters -- of the gas Bolivia sends Brazil each day is still blocked due to pipeline damage that was blamed on anti-government saboteurs.

Muñoz says half of Bolivia's gas flow to Brazil was interrupted for seven hours on Thursday until a valve closed by government opponents could be reopened.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/story/683138.html

~~~~~~~~~~~


Brazil Min: Bolivia Gas Flows 'Almost Totally' Reestablished

September 11, 2008: 05:02 PM EST

BRASILIA -(Dow Jones)- Bolivian exports of natural gas to Brazil have been " almost totally" reestablished, easing concerns that possible shortages could damage Latin America's largest economy, Brazil Mines and Energy Minister Edison Lobao said Thursday.

"We still don't have a situation of total security, but the fact is that gas flows have more or less normalized," Lobao said.

More:
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djhighlights/200809111702DOWJONESDJONLINE000901.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:34 PM
Response to Original message
3. I'll bet the state department will be
absolutely heartbroken. :cry:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Well, it is a defeat for US diplomacy.
Getting your embassadors thrown out of countries that used to be servile fiefdoms is not good news for Foggy Bottom.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. And a defeat for cheap shirts
I believe Honduras has more to loose then we do. Banana Republic (irony at its finest) may have to find a new source of cheap labor.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. No problem for honduras they can sell those shirts to Brazil
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. I bet more people pay $90
a shirt here than in brazil. It would be a problem.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. Aw, you mean the corporations will have to
outsource their sweatshops to China? No wonder your drawers are in such a knot. Such a tragedy.

I expect that Chavez can offer plenty of guidance and support to Zelaya - he's done right by his own people, and sets an example to other SA leaders.

Wouldn't you agree?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Nope. Take two petro states..
UAE and VZ. Both have power centralized in one party and the governments can set policy.

UAE distributes oil money to the people directly. That is why they have a very high median income.

Hugo does not kick out oil money evenly. His mom and brothers are all set but those in ranchos seem to still be there.

They were last time I was there.

He is a former coup leader and tried to vote himself into perpetual power.

If he tries to bring russia in he will not be around much longer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. No brand, no middle man, same quality, would make those shirts cheaper
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. People Pay for Brands..
that is a market thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. Marketing is one thing, necessity is another
the poor will buy similar items without the logo, for the brainwashed folks brand is a big issue but people is slowly moving to the anti-brand movement
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Yes they will
but they will not pay 90 for a 9 dollar shirt. We will and do all the time. Again my point, they have more to loose by not doing business here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Honduran workers will get the same money, for a 90 or 9 dollar shirts
the 90 dollars that we could pay for a shirt won't benefit them in any way, the middle man (corporations) are the ones who capitalize the 85 dollars out of 90.
2 dollars for materials, 1.50 for labor and the rest in taxes, 5 dollars may be the total cost of a Teeshirt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. Plenty of ways to market -
I certainly would buy shirts that bypassed the brand labels and went directly to consumers. Especially if said shirts were made by progressive companies in progressive countries.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. You are not the majority
and the supplier makes that call before you get to. Again honduras needs the us economy. Simple fact.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. Not really -
it's a global econony now, remember? And the Internet opens up the possibilities even further. With a trend toward environmentally friendly products and "green" solutions, with the right marketing one could do quite well with a progressive slant on their products - Banana Republic aside.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. The $90 never gets anywhere NEAR Honduras.
They'll be much better off selling their own shirts to Brazil for $4.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. You can bet the profits aren't headed back to Latin America, though
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:51 PM
Response to Original message
19. I couldn't help but notice the "leftist government" description
Although his party is left of center, Zelaya is not really known as a 'leftist' - at least not in any serious analysis that I've ever come across. (In fact, what Honduran government in recent memory ever has?) It's only now that AP is injecting that description - after recently joining ALBA, and now this.

I don't think the corpo/fascists are too happy about these developments.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:16 PM
Response to Original message
22. knr
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:43 PM
Response to Original message
24. In solidarity, Honduras takes action against U.S. envoy
In solidarity, Honduras takes action against U.S. envoy

The Associated Press
Friday, September 12, 2008

TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras: Honduras has postponed the accreditation of the U.S. ambassador, expressing solidarity with Bolivia's complaint that a U.S. ambassador there incited violent protests.

President Manuel Zelaya said that Honduras was not breaking relations with the United States, but was supporting Venezuela and Bolivia.

The leftist leader of Bolivia, Evo Morales, expelled the U.S. envoy to that country Wednesday, setting off a regional diplomatic crisis.

Clashes over Bolivia's future have claimed eight lives and have prompted Latin American allies to demand that Washington stay out of their affairs.

More:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/12/america/13hondurasFW-333704.php
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 12:21 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC