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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:42 PM
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Obama calls bailout a 'blank check'
Source: Politico

... Like some congressional leaders, Obama said the administration's three-page outline does not permit sufficient oversight.

"If we grant the Treasury broad authority to address the immediate crisis, we must insist on independent accountability and oversight," Obama said. "Given the breach of trust we have seen and the magnitude of the taxpayer money involved, there can be no blank check." ...

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080921/pl_politico/13703
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:48 PM
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1. It is an attempt at stealing more money
it is what they do. Everything is a piggybank to them. Kleptocrats.
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:05 PM
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4. Of course, it is.
Obama is correct.
Hold tight to your principles, Barack!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:53 PM
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2. I amazed at how fast we went from "Congress might leave it until next year"
to all this spreading of fear and panic. For people that say they want to "restore confidence", they are sure making a lot of noise.
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raincity_calling Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:37 PM
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12. It is the Shock Doctrin at play
Crisis and then the preplanned,rip offs.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:52 PM
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13. Maybe. I think they want to get the fix in before the election.
Or keep the lid on until after the election.
Or just stall. Stalling is instinctive with these guys when they have a weak hand.
But take your pick.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:31 PM
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16. Shock Doctrine indeed. When will Obama or Biden actually use the words Shock Doctrine?
No Democrat but Kucinich would ever utter the phrase "Shock Doctrine" because Democrats are pussies, corrupt, or complicit.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 02:58 PM
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3. GOP is FAMOUS for demanding their 6 syllable word, unless it is for them
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:18 PM
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5. I think they are going after social security
1) The government takes over defaulted mortgages.
2) Law change, so people can't "walk away" from these bad mortgages, which the government now holds.
3) Government withholds or confiscates social security money from persons with defaulted mortgages.

I gather this might amount to 20 to 40 percent of all mortgages, based on an interview with McCain's chief financial adviser in the Globe and Mail.

I really can't see where else the bailout money can come from.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:20 PM
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6. Any good laser printer can make as much money as you like ...
:hi:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:03 PM
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23. It's true
Devaluation and hyper inflation can take care of massive debts quite wonderfully.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:09 PM
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10. 20-30%?
More like less than 5%. Last time I checked somewhere around 97% of mortgages are performing. The equity in the properties is the problem. People are having to wait 10-15 years to sell which is the way it SHOULD be.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:27 PM
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7. except you approved the Bush plan, Obama you collaborator dumbass!
When are these Democrats going to grow balls and protect the American people, not Billionaire Wall Street Thugs?
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 04:23 PM
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11. How did he approve of the Bush plan?
I thought he said on Friday that he wanted to see the details before he commented further but that something needed to be done. Maybe I'm wrong and you can correct me if I am.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 06:33 PM
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20. What are you talking about?
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 07:14 PM
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22. Huh? Where are you reading this? Nothing in any decent source I've read...
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 07:15 PM by WePurrsevere
says Obama (or other Dems) are going to simply approve the Bush plan.

Here's what Obama and other Dems are pushing for as reported in the LA Times:
"It's kind of hard to tell the average American that we're going to continue to have foreclosures that destabilize neighborhoods and deprive cities of revenues they need, but we're going to buy up the bad paper," Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said on "Face the Nation."

Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.), who, with Frank, will play a leading role in moving legislation, said on ABC's "This Week" that the foreclosure crisis must be addressed. "The cause of this problem is still the foreclosure crisis," he said. "So it needs to be part of the solution."

John Sweeney, the president of the AFL-CIO, an important Democratic constituency, urged Democratic leaders to insist that any bailout include a moratorium on home foreclosures and an economic recovery package that includes extended unemployment benefits, aid to state and local governments and spending for infrastructure projects.

And Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama said today that while it was important "to resolve this crisis and restore our financial sector so capital is flowing again and we can avert an even broader economic catastrophe," he issued a set of principles that included strong oversight, protections for taxpayers, assistance for distressed homeowners and limits on the potential funding.

But the White House and its Republican congressional allies are pushing to keep the bail out free of other measures.


(edit to fix link)
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:35 PM
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8. Nation article says exact same thing?
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 03:36 PM by medeak
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jfkraus Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 03:41 PM
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9. Taxation without representation...
that is what they want. These goons want to do anything they want with no oversight and then pass the bill on to us. That IS taxation without representation and it is treasonous.
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:04 PM
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14. Yay! Sen. Obama is speaking like I am thinking. Thanks for the post. n/t
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:58 PM
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17. But do you have any doubt he will vote for it anyway? n/t
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 06:54 PM
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21. Honestly, of course I have my doubts. It is not easy supporting the Democratic Party.
The Party Leaders have all too often voted with the Republicans on far too much. Even hearing Sen. Dodd talking about this $700 Billion +/- is disturbing. I truly value justice, honor, long term planning, and not allowing the rich to control everything.

Yes, I have my doubts. It is also true though that Sen. Obama had stated much that I was thinking in his statement. That I praise.
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 05:30 PM
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15. GOP answer to everything
is charge it. There like an undisciplined teenager. IF they can't charge it, they blame everyone else.
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 06:07 PM
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18. He needs to tell itto Dodd and Reid. Those fellas are ready to
burn down the house in panic mode.
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fascistgroovething Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 06:27 PM
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19. The Republicans are to blame... Phil Gramms bill S.900 is the beginning...
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:36 PM
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24. Obama is Right ON!
To quote a friend this bail-out: Worse than that--the $700 billion is a rolling amount--like a revolving charge card in reverse. They can have as much as $700 billion in assets based on what they paid for them, rather than what they're worth. So, they buy $700 billion worth of crap at premium prices, sell it for crap prices, and then buy more crap at premium prices. Plus, Paulson gets to pick which private firms manage the accounts and what fees are paid to them. It's a giant swindle.

And of course Bu$hCo wants no oversight from the Courts or Congress, etc.
Tell the Dems to squash this plan!

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