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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:46 PM
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BREAKING NEWS: U.S. will buy stock in financial institutions, Treasury Secretary Paulson says
Edited on Fri Oct-10-08 05:48 PM by Amerigo Vespucci
Source: MSNBC

WASHINGTON - Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson says the administration will move ahead with a plan to buy stock in financial institutions.

Paulson said Friday the program to purchase stock in financial institutions will be open to a broad array of institutions.

The administration received authority to make direct purchases of stock in banks in the $700 billion financial rescue bill Congress passed last week.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27123491/
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:48 PM
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1. Henry Paulson was always expected to, but...
...the question is how much? And will it be voting stock or non-voting stock?
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:50 PM
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2. "open to a broad array of institutions" = "recipe for disaster"
The discussions regarding the degree of oversight on this little project (or lack of it) immediately spring to mind.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:51 PM
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4. Paging Sen. Dodd, Sen. Chris Dodd! nt
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:51 PM
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3. wow, another new low set by this mal-administration
we can have worthless wallpaper in the vault soon to back up those great Treasury notes that pass for legal tender
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 07:23 AM
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14. I don't think this is a good idea, at all.
This is like buying up Enron stock. They knew it was going to tank, but maybe they think it's a cleaner way to get out of their financial jam if their benefactor just loses all their money in a crash?
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:53 PM
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5. Yep, Bet America On The Stock Market
Just great.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 07:56 PM
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19. but only if the US can borrow the money to do su from China.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 05:55 PM
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6. Yep. Found out they couldn't make any money off the "bad" mortagage mess either.
Changing the rules again.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 06:01 PM
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7. I'm expecting them to buy mortgage-related securites, too,
...before Bush's term is over.

Henry Paulson is probably going to buy equity first because they're trying to decide on a plan for buying the mortgage-related securities.

The corporate executives which want to get rid of their company's trash (their worst mortgage-related securities) would be angry if they were told that the government isn't going to buy them after all. Henry Paulson wants to please them and get a job with a huge salary in a few months.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 07:12 PM
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11. They're not going to buy the junk. Its going to sit there like the toxic waste it is.
And it will rot and it will continue to affect the economy in the same way our carbon has polluted our planet.

Paulson had a big paying job. Not enough thrill for the guy in the private sector. He should be happy now.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 06:17 PM
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8. So the Plunge Protection Team has gone public.
Thanks for pissing away a whole lot of money on things for which there is a declining market, Mr. Secretary.
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 06:17 PM
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9. This needs to be accompanied by an audit of their books.
I'm very much for this approach but buying equity in failing institution is a very bad idea. The treasury needs to be sure they are giving to companies that have a chance to survive.
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 06:24 PM
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10. Folks, dial back the hysteria a little. This is a tried and proven method
of getting out of these crises. This kind of thing is precisely what Sweden did when they had an almost identical situation, i.e. a housing bubble followed by a crash. This option was the one fought for by progressives. Norway and Korea also used these methods with success. There will be a recession anyway but nothing can stop that at this point.



Stopping a Financial Crisis, the Swedish Way

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/business/worldbusiness/23krona.html?em


A banking system in crisis after the collapse of a housing bubble. An economy hemorrhaging jobs. A market-oriented government struggling to stem the panic. Sound familiar?

It does to Sweden. The country was so far in the hole in 1992 — after years of imprudent regulation, short-sighted economic policy and the end of its property boom — that its banking system was, for all practical purposes, insolvent.

(snip)
Sweden did not just bail out its financial institutions by having the government take over the bad debts. It extracted pounds of flesh from bank shareholders before writing checks. Banks had to write down losses and issue warrants to the government.
That strategy held banks responsible and turned the government into an owner. When distressed assets were sold, the profits flowed to taxpayers, and the government was able to recoup more money later by selling its shares in the companies as well.
“If I go into a bank,” said Bo Lundgren, who was Sweden’s deputy minister of finance at the time, “I’d rather get equity so that there is some upside for the taxpayer.”
Sweden spent 4 percent of its gross domestic product, or 65 billion kronor, the equivalent of $11.7 billion at the time, or $18.3 billion in today’s dollars, to rescue ailing banks. That is slightly less, proportionate to the national economy, than the $700 billion, or roughly 5 percent of gross domestic product, that the Bush administration estimates its own move will cost in the United States.
But the final cost to Sweden ended up being less than 2 percent of its G.D.P. Some officials say they believe it was closer to zero, depending on how certain rates of return are calculated.

(snip)

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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 07:19 PM
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12. Thank you for the words of encouragement.
It's good to know that this has been done before with success.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 07:31 PM
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15. Agree. I wish Congress itself would have looked closer at such a model
during the bailout debates. This has been the longest 2 weeks of non-stop bad news....
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-10-08 11:46 PM
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13. Now is the time to buy stock.
as evidenced by the turnaround in the last hour of trading today.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 07:37 PM
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16. The solution is complete nationalization of the banking and financial industry.
That's the only way we'll ever get to see the books and correct the mess.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 07:42 PM
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17. I thought the gov't was supposed to get stock in exchange for the trash anyway.
Edited on Sat Oct-11-08 07:46 PM by Waiting For Everyman

Japan just told the British what they learned - to nationalize the banking system, and NOT to do piecemeal solutions. That's what we should be doing.

If these banks are actually insolvent, they should be put into receivership anyway, and the gov't would be guaranteeing the deposits anyway, so why are we paying them off first? Why do it at all?

It's a waste of money.
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Poseidan Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-11-08 07:53 PM
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18. please, Henry the VIII
Buying stock is such a long-term proposition. Why put government so much into our private lives? Let us instead give out loans to responsible organizations, while also re-regulating accordingly, to ensure lasting functionality.
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