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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 02:59 PM
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McCain reminds Biden he's been tested in crisis
Source: Yahoo News

HARRISBURG, Pa. – Republican John McCain told voters in this key electoral state Tuesday he was personally tested by the same kind of crisis that Democratic vice presidential nominee Joseph Biden warned Barack Obama will almost certainly face if elected president.

McCain recalled being ready to launch a bombing run during the October 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, which Biden said over the weekend tested a new President John F. Kennedy and was the template for the kind of "generated crisis" the 47-year-old Obama would face within six months of taking office.

"I was on board the USS Enterprise," McCain, a former naval aviator, said in the capital city of Harrisburg. "I sat in the cockpit, on the flight deck of the USS Enterprise, off of Cuba. I had a target. My friends, you know how close we came to a nuclear war."

As the crowd of several thousand began to swell with cheers and applause, he added with dramatic effect: "America will not have a president who needs to be tested. I've been tested, my friends."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/ap_on_el_pr/mccain
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:00 PM
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1. interesting - McCain thinks there is a single test in life and he passed it. nt
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:00 PM
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2. Tested? He was taking orders - handed down the chain of
command. What a loser.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:04 PM
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6. Yes, true enough; but he was still tested, and failed.
Losers are known to be so precisely because they have been tested and found wanting.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:40 PM
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23. It wasn't up to him to make the decision. What a dud!
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:01 PM
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3. How utterly pitiful McCain is. You had a target, but JFK and
RFK were the ones making the decisions you fraud. You weren't tested! LOL
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:03 PM
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4. That's true -- and when tested in the economic crisis last month, he failed.
Being tested is one thing -- passing is something else entirely.

McCain should know that, given his rank in his Naval Academy class, and his problems with keeping airplanes in the air.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:04 PM
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5. I hate to repeat it but McCain also made films for the North Vietnamese
Not all captives did that - but McCain did.

This is all so damned ugly. And McCain is asking for trouble form Obama surrogates by opening this door.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:06 PM
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11. But they weren't very good films.
;-)
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mcjackson Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 04:40 PM
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34. yeah...
...the lighting was horrible and the sound guy had no idea what he was doing.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:05 PM
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7. Doesn't he mean...
...he's been "testy" in a crisis?
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:05 PM
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8. How does that equate? JFK and advisors making the call to a navy pilot about to carry out orders?
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:05 PM
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9. Yes he was tested Twice, not Once
And he failed the second test!!!
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:05 PM
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10. Hey Johnny Lockjaw, how about those tests at Annapolis?

How about dropping bombs on women and children? You sure passed that test.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:23 PM
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19. lockjaw? nah, SONGBIRD.
nm
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:40 PM
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40. So did the thousands of Air Force and Navy pilots
sent over on the orders of President Johnson.
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:08 PM
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12. During the Cuban Missile Crisis McCrash was flying these.


I doubt that he was going to be sent up to face Soviet MIGs in a WWII era attack plane.
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machI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 05:12 PM
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35. That looks like the one McCain crashed - because he failed to set the throttle correctly in a turn
Gee John, looks like you failed
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:39 PM
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39. No, he would have been carrying bombs and assigned
attack missions against ground forces or ships.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:08 PM
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13. Yeah, he was on the phone at 3AM with JFK and they worked it all out. You betcha.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:09 PM
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14. and he failed the test
being tested and being capable are two different things
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:09 PM
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15. Sorry John
That's not being tested. That's following orders. BIg difference from being the guy in the cockpit and the CIC in the White House.

What an idiot.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:14 PM
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16. No doubt you've been tested, John...
and found to have cancer.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:16 PM
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17. no tested wouls be if mclame had refused to
drop bombs.

tested my ass.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:17 PM
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18. McCoot knows all the answers,
he just won't tell anybody. But he knows, you betcha.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:24 PM
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20. I guess that's why he picked Sarah Palin as his backup.
AFAIK, the only tests she's faced are the ones she had in college, like the one that earned her a D in macroeconomics.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:24 PM
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21. He's testy, that's certain. n/t
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:38 PM
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22. He flunked his 3AM call
Edited on Tue Oct-21-08 03:38 PM by Lithos
When the famous missile went off on the Forrestal went off and destroyed his plane. Rather than helping to fight the fires which killed almost 200 of his fellow crewmen, he went down to the ready room and hung out watching things on the Closed Circuit TV. When danger came and needed leadership, McCain left. Several of his fellow pilots who also were in planes did personally help lead fire fighting efforts during the confusion and mayhem so this was not a case where there was lack of opportunity.

To add insult to injury, McCain made it a point to seek out journalists covering the fire and took one of the first planes out.

So in summary, McCain
- ran away from danger - check
- avoided responsibility - check
- sought to glorify himself - check

Sounds like an "F" to me.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:44 PM
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24. i thought he meant his first marriage.
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hammerman24 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:59 PM
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25. I think McCain is telling a McFib...
I found a link to all US Naval Vessels involved the "Cuban Missle Crisis" and The Enterprise is listed but McFiber's squadron (VA-65)is not listed on ship at that time.
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq90-3.htm
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DB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 04:15 PM
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30. Wikipedia has VA65 on the enterprise.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 04:26 PM
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31. Welcome to DU
If you hit units, VA-65 is listed. :shrug:
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 04:01 PM
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26. ...and he was fully prepared to bomb the Enterprise if the order came!
Sorry, JohnBoy. You weren't there to be "tested." You were there to follow orders. The person GIVING the ultimate orders is the one being "tested." That's the way it works.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 04:02 PM
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27. Wow. McCain's response demonstrates just the opposite, that he doesn't understand ...
... the difference in what a President would be facing versus a pilot following the orders implementing the President's decisions.
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 04:09 PM
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28. So in McCain's mind anyone who was ever given an order to carry out has been tested in crisis and is
qualified to be president?

I think not. This has nothing to do with what Joe Biden was talking about and is just another ridiculous assertion by McCainthat further illustrates the absolute desperation of his campaign.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:40 AM
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44. Not even that close ...
> So in McCain's mind anyone who was ever given an order to carry out
> has been tested in crisis and is qualified to be president?

This implies that the order was executed (and successfully).

He wasn't given the order during the CMC so he's not even *that* close
to being a leader ... just another dumb figurehead (like W) ready to
carry out the orders of his masters without having to do a damn thing
involving thinking for himself.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 04:12 PM
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29. At least he didn't blow up the Enterprise too. n/t
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 04:28 PM
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32. Riiiight....
I'm sure McCain was calling all the shots when it came to the Cuban Missile Crisis.:eyes:

What's next to come out of his mouth?

"Hey, if it wasn't for me commanding that Paul Revere, we would have never known the British were coming!"
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 04:29 PM
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33. He's a testes?
He is?

Is that normal?

I don't think he should brag about that.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 05:12 PM
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36. PASSED THE TEST ? only qualified him to be POW-IN-CHIEF...lots of experience there...
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 05:13 PM
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37. GIVEN A CHOICE.... could we elect the guy who captured McCain? I LIKE A WINNER ! !
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 05:46 PM
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38. That's not leadership, John, that's WAITING FOR ORDERS. Stupid example to use.
Sitting in your plane waiting for SOMEONE ELSE to tell you what to do is not leadership. Now, I'm not saying that it's would be easy to fly a fighter plane or drop a nuclear weapon, but to claim that shows he's been "tested", bullshit. Unless you're the one handing the crisis or giving orders, you are not in a leadership position.

And does he really want to remind people that he was involved in the Bay of Pigs all those decades ago?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:25 PM
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41. Yeah - and you FAILED BIG TIME, Insane! Trashed - what - FIVE jets!
Sorry, but you're NO "war hero" - you're a FUCKUP...anybody else would have been drummed out of the service for what your "experience" reads...
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:29 PM
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42. What grade did you get for crashing four U.S. jets, John? Or was it five. nt
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:32 AM
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43. If McCain was President during the Cuban Missile Crisis...
We'd all be ashes now.
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