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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:18 PM
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Libertarian Barr says McCain on 'farewell tour of America,' calls votes for him wasted
Source: By SHANNON McCAFFREY | Associated Press Writer

Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr appealed Wednesday for the support of Republican-leaning conservatives by declaring his Republican rival John McCain is going to lose the election.

"Sen. McCain will be spending the last two weeks before the election on his 'farewell tour' across America," Barr wrote in an e-mail message. "Sen. McCain's mixed and angry message, as well as his support of big-spending policies, have killed any chance McCain may have had to win this election."

The former Republican congressman from Georgia wrote that conservatives who want their vote to count should throw their support behind his longshot candidacy. ...

Read more: http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-barr,0,3812738.story
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:19 PM
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1. Barr is an intelligent man
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:21 PM
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3. Even if by some miracle he got elected, does he really think congress and the senate would let him
carry out the libetarian agenda?
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:51 PM
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9. Barr is no Libertarian...
He is as rabid a repuke as any. This is all a show.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:08 AM
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14. As head of the GAO...
Bob Barr called bullshit on the "Clintons trashed the White House" stories that Bush/Rove spread in early 2001. So I'd have to disagree with your assessment. Not saying he's a saint, but he's no fucking neocon/theocon. He's paleocon, which is the most palatable kind of republican there is. Of course ipecac is more palatable than drano....
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 10:57 AM
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19. a show that will draw votes...you can bank on that
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:37 PM
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8. I agree. He's very smart.
After all, he was smart enough to walk away from the Republican machine before it was fashionable.

Libertarians are nuts, but it's clearly a step up from being a Republican.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 08:35 PM
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10. I imagine he's after that magic 5% number that gives him federal money? -nt
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:20 PM
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2. Go Barr!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:24 PM
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4. Let's hope that many Looneytarian leaning Republicans go for Barr in Georgia.
Could give Obama the edge in our 100% Diebold state.
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:26 PM
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6. Now now, lets not be crude, swearing and name callin is an art...
We should stick to insulting repukliens, not ourselves. :)
Let us distinguish 'libertarian philosophy' from Libertarian Party.

Actually, libertarian philosophy is quite mainstream and cuts
a big swath through both parties. All three parties advocate
libertarian principles. The Constitution itself is fundamentally
a libertarian construct. It uses the methods of checks and balances
and also individual RIGHTS to limit government power and to advance
personal freedoms.

This means that, on some issues, people can find themselves agreeing
more with an opposing party's platform than their own. I myself am about
as far left/progressive a person as I know yet also with strong libertarian views.
It doesn't necessarily make me a Libertarian party member, I'm a democrat. Solid.
But you don't have to agree with everything or to hold a view strongly to find some merit in it.
Nor to speak up when you own party is about to do something that violates important
principles and the matter should be reconsidered.

So here is source of information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
worth a read. you probably agree with parts of that. Including:

Zwolinski, Matt, "Libertarianism", Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, <http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/libertar.htm>. Retrieved on 9 August 2008:

Libertarians are committed to the belief that individuals, and not states or groups of any other kind, are both ontologically and normatively primary; that individuals have rights against certain kinds of forcible interference on the part of others; that liberty, understood as non-interference, is the only thing that can be legitimately demanded of others as a matter of legal or political right; that robust property rights and the economic liberty that follows from their consistent recognition are of central importance in respecting individual liberty; that social order is not at odds with but develops out of individual liberty; that the only proper use of coercion is defensive or to rectify an error; that governments are bound by essentially the same moral principles as individuals; and that most existing and historical governments have acted improperly insofar as they have utilized coercion for plunder, aggression, redistribution, and other purposes beyond the protection of individual liberty.<5>


Thank you for the opportunity to bring this important subject up. Hey! :hi:



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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 12:44 AM
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13. You make sense. If I had to label myself, I would be a Social Libertarian.
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 02:53 AM
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16. Glad to be of service...
Education, a thirst for learning and understanding. Grant
this boon to every person: a wise and understanding heart.
It is what Solomon asked for, and was given.

With such boon it is soon realized that we are not doomed to stand inside
our skin all alone, that we have a brain, that we have each other, and
generations before us, that there are ideas that we can take, to consider,
to examine, to test, to accept or reject, that may help comprehend the world,
help us decide how we stand on subjects relevant to our day.

Yet to use a wise and understanding heart a person must trust, at least a little.
Trust cannot have been destroyed. Yet some people cannot trust. They cannot use
their brain, they cannot accept the ideas of others, for that is threatening.

Alas, poor Sarah. She has no idea. She has never even had a glimpse of the ocean
of knowledge all around her. Her eyes are sealed shut. Poor blind Sarah.
yet when she stumbles in the darkness holding a lighted match, knocking over
the petrol can in her confusion, I cannot pity her, for she endangers everyone.

Sorry if my ramblings make poor sense. Be glad you have what Sarah does not.
And in parting perhaps take away that that libertarian
thought is from the sea of 'philosophy', while Libertarian Party platforms
are from the sea of 'politics'. One is based on 'reasoning', the other on
on 'practicality'. They rarely mesh perfectly, but libertarian philosophy
is deeply embedded in the American culture, and a part of American politics
of every party. One might even say that, in America, we are all libertarians.

Thanks for the opportunity to comment.
Now go insult a repuklien. It will do us both good. :)



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Poseidan Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 01:41 AM
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15. indeed
Edited on Thu Oct-23-08 01:42 AM by Poseidan
In the land of liberty, there is so much anti-Liberty. Maybe they simply don't realize liberty = libertarian?
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 06:55 PM
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5. Say goodnight Dick.........
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: -in
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:31 PM
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7. I hope Barr
Gets the votes he needs in Georgia to fuck it up for MaGoo. I say 401 EV's is the number
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leftist. Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 08:57 AM
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18. GA is close, and while we might not get the state, we ...
... we have a real shot at that Senate seat. Getting Chambliss out of there after what he did to Cleland would make my evening on November 4th.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 10:32 PM
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11. REPUBLICANS TO VOTE ON NOV 5... due to crowding at the polls... spread the message
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 11:11 PM
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12. Go Nader! I mean...Barr!
Split the Repuke vote! :evilgrin:
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 07:49 AM
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17. Wheras votes for Barr will count for something?
He's not even a real Libertarian, so I'm not sure who is going to vote for him.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 10:58 AM
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20. Hey Republicans: Don't waste your vote, give it to Bob Barr!
:rofl:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 02:55 PM
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21. I believe Barr asked a good question on The Newshour With Jim Lehrer
regarding the bailout. He questioned as to where was the Attorney General in all this? That being the one person never called on to investigate this fiasco.
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