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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:10 AM
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YouTube Videos Draw Attention to Palin’s Faith (after interview w/ CBN)
Source: NYT

In an interview this week with the Christian Broadcasting Network, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, the Republican vice-presidential candidate, was asked to “clear up exactly what you believe in” about her religious faith, including her involvement with Pentecostalism.

Ms. Palin responded by speaking generally, but extensively, about how she counts on God for strength, guidance and wisdom. “My faith has always been pretty personal,” she said. But she did not talk more specifically about her church affiliation or her beliefs.

Ms. Palin’s faith has come under scrutiny after two videos taken in her former church surfaced on YouTube and became immediate sensations. The first showed a visiting preacher from Kenya praying fervently over Ms. Palin in a gravelly voice and asking God to favor her campaign for governor and protect her from “every form of witchcraft.”

The second showed Ms. Palin at an event in June praising the African preacher’s prayer as “awesome” and “very, very powerful.” She is also seen nodding as her former pastor from Wasilla prays over her and declares that Alaska is “one of the refuge states in the Last Days,” a piece of prophecy popular in some prayer networks that predicts that as the “end times” approach, people will flock to Alaska for its abundant open space and natural resources.

Ms. Palin declined an interview, and the McCain campaign did not respond to specific questions about her faith. Thus, it is difficult to say with certainty what she believes.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/us/politics/25faith.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=print
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:29 AM
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Oh, NOW the MSM pays attention? n/t
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:29 AM
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1. NYT is just now covering Rev. Muthee (the self-proclaimed witchhunter )?
way too late now, but hey, better late than never.....
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:26 AM
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2. This might be good timing.
I read that a 527 is resurrecting Rev Wright this weekend. This could be a good preemption. It also would more likely to be taken seriously if "religion" is back on the table.
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:03 AM
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3. It isn't difficult at all to say with certainty what this nutcase believes
More from the Times article:

What is known, however, is that Ms. Palin has had long associations with religious leaders who practice a particularly assertive and urgent brand of Pentecostalism known as “spiritual warfare.”

Its adherents believe that demonic forces can colonize specific geographic areas and individuals, and that “spiritual warriors” must “battle” them to assert God’s control, using prayer and evangelism. The movement’s fixation on demons, its aggressiveness and its leaders’ claims to exalted spiritual authority have troubled even some Pentecostal Christians.

Ms. Palin delivered an enthusiastic graduation speech for a class of young spiritual warriors in June at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the church in which she was raised.

As governor, Ms. Palin appointed Patrick Donelson, a pastor and fishing guide who helped found a spiritual warfare ministry, to the only seat reserved for members of the clergy on the state’s Suicide Prevention Council.

Bishop Thomas Muthee, the Kenyan preacher shown on the YouTube video anointing her as she ran for governor, is celebrated internationally as an effective spiritual warrior who led a prayer movement that drove a witch out of his town in Kenya. The removal of the witch, Bishop Muthee says, resulted in a drop in crime, alcoholism and traffic accidents.

Religious leaders in Alaska, including Mr. Donelson, declined interviews, with several saying they had been told by the McCain-Palin campaign not to talk to members of the news media.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:18 AM
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4. Palin attracts the Last Days crowd. Fortunately for us, they are
a minority. I am looking forward to watching the GOP implode after this election. Perhaps the Last Days crowd will splinter and form their own Armageddon Watch Party (AWP). :-)
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:59 AM
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5. Sure would be nice if they would deal with reality for a change
instead of what level have you reached in some role-playing game.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:12 PM
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6. “Spiritual warfare makes a religion of identifying demons by names and ZIP codes.”
more from OP article:

What is known, however, is that Ms. Palin has had long associations with religious leaders who practice a particularly assertive and urgent brand of Pentecostalism known as “spiritual warfare.”

Its adherents believe that demonic forces can colonize specific geographic areas and individuals, and that “spiritual warriors” must “battle” them to assert God’s control, using prayer and evangelism. The movement’s fixation on demons, its aggressiveness and its leaders’ claims to exalted spiritual authority have troubled even some Pentecostal Christians.

Ms. Palin delivered an enthusiastic graduation speech for a class of young spiritual warriors in June at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the church in which she was raised.

As governor, Ms. Palin appointed Patrick Donelson, a pastor and fishing guide who helped found a spiritual warfare ministry, to the only seat reserved for members of the clergy on the state’s Suicide Prevention Council.

....
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:16 PM
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7. Has Peggy Noonan yet figured out the purpose of Sarah Palin's ambition?
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 02:18 PM by seafan
Noonan asks: 'What is the purpose of Palin's ambition?'






YouTube Videos Draw Attention to Palin’s Faith, NYT, October 25, 2008


In an interview this week with the Christian Broadcasting Network, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, the Republican vice-presidential candidate, was asked to “clear up exactly what you believe in” about her religious faith, including her involvement with Pentecostalism. ..... Ms. Palin’s faith has come under scrutiny after two videos taken in her former church surfaced on YouTube and became immediate sensations. The first showed a visiting preacher from Kenya praying fervently over Ms. Palin in a gravelly voice and asking God to favor her campaign for governor and protect her from “every form of witchcraft.”

The second showed Ms. Palin at an event in June praising the African preacher’s prayer as “awesome” and “very, very powerful.” She is also seen nodding as her former pastor from Wasilla prays over her and declares that Alaska is “one of the refuge states in the Last Days,” a piece of prophecy popular in some prayer networks that predicts that as the “end times” approach, people will flock to Alaska for its abundant open space and natural resources.
Ms. Palin declined an interview, and the McCain campaign did not respond to specific questions about her faith. Thus, it is difficult to say with certainty what she believes.

What is known, however, is that Ms. Palin has had long associations with religious leaders who practice a particularly assertive and urgent brand of Pentecostalism known as “spiritual warfare.”
Its adherents believe that demonic forces can colonize specific geographic areas and individuals, and that “spiritual warriors” must “battle” them to assert God’s control, using prayer and evangelism. The movement’s fixation on demons, its aggressiveness and its leaders’ claims to exalted spiritual authority have troubled even some Pentecostal Christians.


.....

Religious leaders in Alaska, including Mr. Donelson, declined interviews, with several saying they had been told by the McCain-Palin campaign not to talk to members of the news media.
Russell P. Spittler, provost emeritus at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif., and an eminent scholar of Pentecostalism, said, “Most Christians would accept the view that there are forces and powers in the world that oppose Christian virtues.” But, Mr. Spittler added, “Spiritual warfare makes a religion of identifying demons by names and ZIP codes.” ..... Critics say the goal of the spiritual warfare movement is to create a theocracy. Bruce Wilson, a researcher for Talk2Action, a Web site that tracks religious groups, said: “One of the imperatives of the movement is to achieve worldly power, including political control. Then you can more effectively drive out the demons. The ultimate goal is to purify the earth.”

Ms. Palin referred to “prayer warriors” in a radio interview Wednesday with Dr. James C. Dobson, the founder of Focus on the Family, a conservative Christian multimedia ministry. Dr. Dobson told Ms. Palin that he and his wife, Shirley, were praying for her, and that they had convened 430 people last weekend to pray for “God’s perfect will to be done on Nov. 4.”
She responded, “I can feel the power of prayer and the strength that is provided by our prayer warriors across this nation.” ..... The governor’s relationships with practitioners of spiritual warfare appear to go back many years. Mary Glazier, an Alaska Native who helped bring together the prayer warrior networks in the state, told a prayer conference in June that Ms. Palin “became a part of our prayer group out in Wasilla” when she was 24, and that “God began to speak” to her about entering politics.

.....




The idea of this woman anywhere near the NSA/AT&T illegal domestic spying apparatus does not bode well for Americans who don't agree with her. And that would be a very large number, Ms. Palin.



Bush says God chose him to lead his nation, Guardian UK, November 2, 2003


President George W. Bush stood before a cheering crowd at a Dallas Christian youth centre last week, and told them about being 'born again' as a Christian.
'If you change their heart, then they change their behaviour. I know,' he said, referring to his own conversion, which led to him giving up drinking.
Behind Bush were two banners. 'King of Kings', proclaimed one. 'Lord of Lords', said the other. The symbolism of how fervent Christianity has become deeply entwined with the most powerful man on the planet could not have been stronger.

.....

Bush is already under fire for allowing the appointment of General William Boykin to head the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Boykin, who speaks at evangelical Christian meetings, once said the war on terror was a fight against Satan, and also told a Somali warlord that, 'My God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.'

Bush has also been accused of a 'creeping Christianisation' of federal government programmes. In September, the government made more than $60 billion available for religious charitable groups. Critics say the groups will be able to use the cash to promote their religion. One group that benefited from previous grants was an Iowa prison project that entitled inmates to televisions, private bathrooms and computers - in return for Christian counselling.

.....

Bush said to James Robinson: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.'

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We've seen this horror movie before.






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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:34 PM
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8. Yes,
we have.

That picture looks like she's spewing her vitriol - nasty, nasty woman.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:36 PM
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9. Palin's Right WIng Religious Extremism will Scare The Crap Out of Americans
Most people know what a loon looks like, they just don't all know that she is one....
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:01 PM
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10. I like Loons
it is our State bird! No... she is more like an experiment gone bad.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 06:17 PM
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12. my apologies to all loons...
I forgot it was a bird, hence Loon Mountain. Ok slopes...
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:08 PM
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11. It's about time!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:43 PM
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13. If prayers worked (studies prove they don't), she could have tried to pray the stupid away.
You know, the kind that makes her think MAN COEXISTED WITH DINOSAURS.

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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:21 PM
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14. kick
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