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Coventina

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Mon Nov-03-08 09:38 AM
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New appeal filed for Bali bombers

Source: BBC

Lawyers for the three men sentenced to death for the 2002 Bali bomb attacks in Indonesia have filed a new appeal.

One of the lawyers said the men were taking this action because they had not been properly informed of the rejection of their earlier appeal.

But a Bali court official said the legal limit of one appeal had already been exceeded.

Officials have previously said the three men would be shot dead in early November; no date has been announced.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7705493.stm

Another article reports that a last meal for the men has been prepared by the families.

So I'm guessing they have less than a 24-hour window now...

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mojowork_n

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Mon Nov-03-08 10:50 AM
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1. In Spain, the convictions that were overturned for the Madrid bombing

-- earlier this year, by the Spanish Supreme Court -- maybe never would have happened if the voters in Spain hadn't sided with the Socialist opposition, after the Aznar government had tried to deflect blame on Basque separatists.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/17/spain.terrorism

According to this link:

http://www.zimbio.com/Youssef+Belhadj/articles/4/SPANISH+CIVIL+GUARD+BOMB+SQUAD+FALSE+FLAG

It is revealed that the man accused of supplying the dynamite used in the March 2004 Madrid train bombings was an informant who had the private telephone number of the head of Spain's Civil Guard bomb squad. Emilio Suarez Trashorras, a miner with access to explosives, as well as an associate named Rafa Zouhier both regularly informed for the Spanish police, telling them about drug shipments. Trashorras began working as an informant after being arrested for drug trafficking in July 2001, while Zouhier became an informant after being released from prison early in February 2002. Shortly after the Madrid bombings, investigators discover that Trashorras' wife Carmen Toro has a piece of paper with the telephone number of Juan Jesus Sanchez Manzano, head of Tedax, the Civil Guard bomb squad. She and her brother Antonio Toro are also informants.

In short, Trashorras and Toro are patsies and the evidence indicates the Spanish Civil Guard bomb squad was behind the bombing and a phantom “al-Qaeda inspired” terrorist group was simply a contrivance designed to feed public hysteria...

There's probably more to it than that. The Wiki 'Madrid Bombing Controversies' page includes links to conservative and right-wing information sources that now blame the bombing on Socialists, with the help of elements from Spanish, French and Moroccan 'intelligence', and the Basques.

What gets lost in the shuffle is that the Spanish Supreme Court basically cleared Al-Qaeda, itself, of any guilt for the bombing, and shifted it to an "Al-Qaeda-inspired" attack...

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Xithras

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Mon Nov-03-08 02:22 PM
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2. There's really no question of guilt in the Bali bombings

The three bombers have admitted their roles and are largely unrepentant. Their fight right now is over the method of execution. They don't want to be shot (a standard method of execution in that country) but instead want to be BEHEADED, which they have claimed is a more "Islamic" method of execution and one which will help them in the afterlife.

The Indonesian government doesn't much care about their afterlife.

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Alamuti Lotus

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Mon Nov-03-08 11:51 PM
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3. There are other objections

I have recently been arguing this matter with some who are to some degree fans of theirs. There are other objections, particularly raised by Ba`asyir. I quote from a piece referred to me in reference to this:
Abu Bakar Ba'asyir also called for the government to find the masterminds of the acts of violence (including mosque bombings) in Moluccus Islands, Ambon, Lampung, Tanjung Priok, as well as Poso which slaughtered much more victims than the Bali Bombing, to be equally executed. But predictably those massacres of the Muslims instigated by the Christians of course did not get much international media coverage. And as it appeared the Christian instigators of those massacres were given protection and asylum by America!

Basically, it is seen (not incorrectly) that the gov't and int'l viewers only seem to care when the victims are white Europeans (or a reasonable facsimile in the form of Australians) than their own. I personally don't see much a problem with the trio executed for acts committed, but the other argument is strong as well.

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mojowork_n

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Tue Nov-04-08 12:03 PM
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4. Political connections make all the difference.

When I posted in this thread, I really wasn't aware of too many of the details, in Bali, and not at all acquainted with the mosque bombings you mentioned.

But isn't it ironic, that after 5 years of the Occupation of Iraq, the Christian population there has been reduced by half, at least.

I've seen a couple of different estimates -- that before the war, there were 1.2 million Iraqi Christians, but now there are less than 600,000:

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080904/two-christians-kidnapped-then-killed-in-iraq.htm

and I think a saw a documentary that said that an 800,000 pre-war number had been reduced to less than 250,000.

In either case, it's doubtful that too many of those refugees have been welcomed with asylum offers, which were extended to people responsible for perpetuating religious division, in the worst way, in Indonesia.

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