Former Obama opponent now suing to prove President-elect's citizenship

Source: NBC Augusta

SACRAMENTO, Calif.- A former opponent of Barack Obama's has come back to haunt him over questions regarding Obama's citizenship.

According to a press release from the American Independent Party, former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and other members of the party have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento to stop the state from giving its electoral votes to President-elect Barack Obama until documentary evidence is provided to prove Obama is indeed a natural born citizen of the United States.

Keyes also ran against Obama as a Republican for the U.S. Senate seat in Illinois in 2004. Obama won that election to serve his first and only term in the U.S. Senate.

The Obama campaign countered similar accusations early in 2008 by posting Obama's birth certificate online, and saying: "Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America."



Read more: http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/elections/presheadlines/34587804.html

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Are these aholes going to run with this crap for the next 4 years? Whack jobs!

Why is Keyes silent about a Presidential Candidate who REALLY was NOT BORN in the 50 states?

along with Obama's. An uncensored version of Obama's birth certificate is on factcheck.org. McCain's is probably on the same site and if not has been posted on snopes I believe.

And if I'm not mistaken being born on U.S. government property such as a military base is legally the same as being born in one of the 50 states. So McCain was qualified to run.

The real point is that there are people that will cling to any baseless conspiracy because it reinforces their fantasy. Freepers have yet to provide a single piece of evidence proving that Obama was not a natural citizen. And Obama has provided a copy of his birth certificate along with its number.

And as with any conspiracy theorist, no amount of evidence will be enough. There will always be something "wrong" with evidence that debunks their belief.

I predict that these lawsuits will be laughed out of court and the rumor will live in the Alex Jones circles of the net.

The hospital at Coco Solo was built in 1941. McCain was born in a civilian hospital in Colon, Panama, which was also not in the Canal Zone.

Gee, not a peep from the CCCP (Corporate Controlled Conservative Press) about that!

...so let them waste their time with childish crap. nobody with a brain is paying any attention.

for bringing up frivolous lawsuits

I am also quite pissed off, but not surprised the the MSM still propagates this as news

who has already declared Obama "born in Hawaii" with a "genuine Hawaii birth certificate" testify, and once and for all fucking time be DONE with this bullshit!!!

FUCK OFF, MFing rightwingnuts!!! You haven't noticed, but our country is DYING OFF. Can we FUCK OFF already with the stupid shit???!!

FUCK!!!

It keeps them occupied.

which is a good thing. :-)

We will advocate for an investigation into Obama's citizenship if they will agree to prosecuting Bush and Cheney for war crimes.

any office they tell him to run for.

This guy hasn't had an original thought since his first cell division.

I do some lurking over at Freeptardville, every time somebody there suggests that they give it up, and just look for conventional ways to block President Obama, they're shouted down with crap about the Constitution. It gives me hope, they should spend at least the next two years quite stymied by their inability to deal with reality.

If they get the message after the 2010 midterm elections, where we will gain a fillibuster-proof Senate even if the Yellow Dogs abandon us, they might pose a formidable challenge. Unless, of course, we can make sure they're saddled with Caribou Barbie!

can t get more not natural born than that!!!

I'm thinking that Keyes may have actually believed him!! :D

Get over it already!

he is not a natural born citizen, then he will have to drop out of the race, then McCain will assume the title of president elect. Simple as that.
Why???? Why didn't anybody every check his birth certificate??? Damn, they got us again. Who thought that they would have been so clever as to take us to court over it. F#@$#@ing birth certificate!!!! I knew that they would eventually figure it out. :sarcasm:

O NOESS! WE R SCREWN!!!!!1!!!!1!!!!1!1!1!

That should trump all, regardless where he was born. This business with both Obama and McCain on birth was bogus all around.

Believe me, I haven't spent a lot of effort trying to get on top of this lunacy, but my vague recollection is that, under the law in effect at that time, he would not be a natural-born citizen if born in Kenya to an American-citizen mother, because his mother was under age 21 at the time. Or maybe it has to do with how long they lived in the U.S. after he was born.

Anyway, the point is that the only way he could qualify as President is through Hawaiian birth. That's the reason (according to Keyes and his supporters at FR) for this huge decades-long conspiracy by numerous individuals, newspapers, and government agencies.

And as for their stupid braying about "vault copies", I have gotten a number of birth certificates over the years and I have yet to get a photocopy of the actual certificate in several different states. What most states do is issue a document that contains the pertinent info only. And these documents are legal documents anywhere a birth certificate is needed. They are trying to argue that Hawaii would have issued a birth certificate for Obama saying he was born in Hawaii even though he was born in Kenya. How stupid is that. Vault copy indeed. No I would not take their word on any of this. They are likely misinterpreting the law - AGAIN.

Thanks.

How interesting that you should call my post a "Pro-Obama" argument. I think it's just anti-silly.

I'll have no reason to nail down the details of how U.S. citizenship law stood forty years ago unless Keyes's suit gets somewhere -- which I'm sure it won't. If by chance I do look into it enough to refresh my memory, sure, I'll post something.

I agree that your argument is anti-silliness. My title was prompted by a desire to give a quick indication of which argument I was disputing. Obviously, I disagree with Keyes, but I wanted to flag for readers that I was also disagreeing with one basis for disagreeing with Keyes.

because his mother was so young:



And since she was just 18 when Obama was born, she hadn't completed 5 years after attaining 14.

The suit is frivolous, though, because the State of Hawaii has already said he was born there; and someone even found the birth announcement in a Hawaiian paper. And why would Obama's mother have left where she was living (the wingnuts seems to think it was for Kenya, which was still a British colony then) to get what would no doubt have been worse hospital care, and less rights for the child?

Because Berg (and Keyes since a lot of his lawsuit is based on the Berg lawsuit), claim that Stanley Ann Dunham lost both her and Barack Obama's US citizenship when she married Lolo Soetoro and moved to Indonesia.

This claim is based on a VERY bad reading of the Nationality Act of 1940 and 1952 that only applies to marriages before 1922.

More info on the claims here:

http://whatsyourevidence.com/

Then the law had residency requirements, which his mother would not have met, which would have made him not a natural-born citizen had he been born in Kenya. That he was born in Hawaii trumps all.

Since Alan is also black. Black suing black. Any idiot could figure out by now that there are some blacks who are right wing. So Obama didn't win on race. Good one Alan, thanks. :)

During his first year of graduate school, Keyes's roommate was Bill Kristol. In 1988, Kristol ran Keyes' unsuccessful U.S. Senate campaign in Maryland.<7>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes

nt

He is clearly from the Twilight Zone.

because we'll finally have a court ruling that puts this bullshit to rest once and for all, and then maybe asswipes like Keyes and Savage and the rest of the idiot rabble-rousers can crawl back into their caves and leave us the fuck alone.

They ruled that he HAD produced a valid BC.

This is about the most inane thing out of a preternaturally inane election.

I'd like to have something definitive to send to my redneck relatives who forward viral emails about Obama to me.

This is a synopsis of the case and it's all over the place. I was an attorney in VA for years and the trial courts there don't publish decisions so you won't find the actual order unless someone who received it, posted it. I've looked somewhat and can't find it. But, the synopsis is all over the Net and there was a case filed in VA so am sure this synopsis is accurate. The reasoning is exactly how one of those courts would do it:

http://www.lanlamphere.com/public/2008/11/14/virginia-state-court-dismisses-action-challenging-obamas-eligibility-to-be-president/

Interesting that the comments on that site are all from people who appear to suffer from serious dissociative personality disorders - that is, they are delusional, paranoid, and pathologically consumed by denial. I'm shocked that this Lamphere person actually published all that judicial verbiage on his site.

and not the merits of the argument that Obama is Constitutionally unqualified, we have no precedent in that case.

They do not care about the state of the Union; they do not care that we are a country in dire straits.

They do not care about "country first".

They do not care about anyone or anything other than The Republic Party.

PARTY UBER ALLES! GOTT MITT UNS!

Coz that's what rightwingnuts are.

Alan Keyes is a clown.

Keyes should prove he's human.

BECAUSE HE KNOWS FOR A FACT that he was born in HI. He's just laughing at these fools.

It's like when I got sued in federal court years ago. I knew the entire case against me was total psychotic fabricated BS without a single shred of evidence, so I was never the least bit worried. It dragged on for years, but I never even hired an attorney or filed any documents. The case, involving 40 OTHER defendants, dissolved into nothing around me and just conveniently went away. My cost: $0. My effort: a single 5 page letter of response to the very sympathetic judge.

Keyes and his friends can rant and rave and use the legal system to harrass Obama all they want, but they don't have truth on their side, so this will always fail.

Legal or not, it was phoney as hell.

His daughter comes out and he disowns her. A guy who beat him in a Senate race becomes President and he comes up with bullshit lawsuits 2 weeks after the election. I wonder what happens to the guy at the Dunkin Donuts who gets his egg sandwich mixed up.

By the way, does anyone remember Tim Meadow's impressions of Keyes when he was on SNL. Fucking hilarious! I'll never forget the one after the 2000 election when he's parodying an Alan Keyes concession speech. It's starts of with this powerful looking shot of Meadows standing on platform while you hear wild cheers off camera. And then after he's done waving, Meadows quickly picks up a boom box with the crowd sounds coming out of it and switches it off. :rofl:

- Sorry, it didn't compute. Besides, how do we know Alan was born here?

November 14, 2008 - 6:02pm
Alan Keyes files suit over Obama citizenship question
By Ben van der Meer, PolitickerCA.com Senior Reporter
Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and other members of his American Independent Party have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento to stop the state from giving its electoral votes to President-elect Barack Obama ... http://www.politickerca.com/benvandermeer/3211/alan-keyes-files-suit-over-obama-citizenship-question

HONOLULU — State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino (REPUBLICAN appointee, just FYI) said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6088997.html

Because sometimes no other expression will do.

Alan Keyes never fails to make my sides hurt.

:rofl:

as opposed to disappearing from the political scene entirely.

I'm sure it's going to go far.

David

Bill Clinton "depends on what is is" and then demand impeachment

BO's gonna need a full time legal team to keep up with these nut jobs, cause they're not going to go away anytime soon.

and hes jealous that Obama, and not him, was the first african american president.
Keyes needs to calm down, hes wasting everybody's time and taxpayer money.

serious politician - if he hadn't done it already with the 2004 stunt Senate candidacy.

Back to the dungeon, fool!

Isn't there a room with padded walls with his name on the door waiting for him?

LANDSLIDE!

Also, it was great voting against you in 2004.

the neo-cons present Step&fetchit, in jus clowing around.Why do those rejected republicans refuse to exit stage left,you have been discredited leave,bye,bye?.

The republican party is the last refuge for loons, freaks and fringe, flat earther, moronic, haters!

Welcome to the political wilderness you insane assholes!:rofl:

This bunch of fools, who have since run our country into the ground, began hounding Clinton before he took office, too. They never let up. It was amazing that he could get anything done. Isn't there some kind of law that would get rid of these harassing lawsuits? They'll continue to do it all through Obama's presidency, just as they did to Clinton. How can it be stopped?

By "This bunch of fools" I mean the right wingers. They proclaim to 'love our country' while they do everything in their power to restrict our democracy and interfere with the workings of the presidency.

as long as the country is a reich wing, constitution shredding, hateful fascist state.

If it shows any signs of hope and freedom for the average american the right wing hate it.

They will be after President Obama 24/7 just like they did with Clinton, you can count on that.

The lies they spread during the election will go on and the republican liars will invent more.

Just be glad that their true hateful, lying, fringe nut-case selves will be on full display to the nation who will turn in disgust away from their ugliness.

Its already happening hence our new President Obama.

That is the only way this bs is going to stop. Dismissal with prejudice will fix Keyes and his minions.

Obama's mother was born in Kansas FCS! You know, KANSAS? in the middle of the country? THAT makes him a US citizen! or are they questioning her citizenship as well?

I want these idiots to go back to the margins, where they belong. I'm am sooooo fed up to here w/ this crap.

They can go through all the pretrial work, go through depositions of hundreds of people who "know" President Obama was born in Kenya, spend many millions of dollars preparing their case.

President Obama will send one midlevel minion to LA with a copy of his birth certificate, which was issued in Hawaii because that's where Barack Hussein Obama II was born. He'll hand it to the judge as Defense Exhibit A. The trial will be over in two minutes. Dismissed with extreme prejudice and Keyes declared a Vexatious Litigant.

I figure anything that causes Repukes to waste megabucks is good.

If not, it will be indicative that Obama is a successful president.