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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 08:33 AM
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Jewish groups blast TV show
Source: Associated Press

BRUSSELS, Belgium – Jewish groups have condemned a Belgian public broadcaster for airing a show in which a standup comedian jokes about the Holocaust and the persecution of Jews.

The protest marked the third time in two months the VRT broadcaster was accused of gross insensitivity toward Jews. On Oct. 27, protests forced it to scrap a TV show about Adolf Hitler's supposed favorite dish — alpine trout in butter sauce — as part of a series about famous people's favorite foods.

In the 2008 review show "Het Besluit" — which aired Dec. 21 and is available on the VRT web site — comedian Philippe Geubels accused Belgians Jews of overreacting to the food show.

"What are they going to do if there is a big gas leak in Antwerp?" asked Geubels referring to the Belgian port city, which has a large Jewish community. "Take the city to court for provocation? Preemptively file charges against anyone who dares joke about that?"

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081225/ap_en_tv/eu_belgium_jewish_protest
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antipode Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 09:17 AM
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1. I don't get the alpine trout thing...is it seriously anti-kosher?
:shrug:
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 09:27 AM
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2. More the way that Hitler was being presented
I don't think the actual food itself was relevant to the complaint in that case.

I think it was more that they were devoting an episode of this cooking show to Hitler's favorite meal, cooking the fish where he had a summer home in Belgium.

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antipode Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 09:40 AM
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3. Oh! I get it. Sheesh.
Is there somebody with a gun forcing them to watch?
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 09:47 AM
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4. Right...
Why don't they just get over it? :sarcasm:

No, I don't think the show should be banned, but isn't it fair that some groups can protest and talk about how repugnant it is?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 10:34 AM
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5. It wasn't banned
The broadcaster canceled the show in light of the protests.
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antipode Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 10:36 AM
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7. Which is another way of saying they caved in the face of a bunch of
offended whiners.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 10:44 AM
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10. On second though, I think you get it, but you just don't care. n/t
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 10:54 AM
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13. Offended whiners?
That speaks volumes about you...
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antipode Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 02:09 PM
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24. You don't know me, dearie. I'm gay but I don't get lathered up every time someone
parodies my "lifestyle". There are people who have no life other than to search the world for something to be offended about.
You know that is true.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 04:44 PM
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33. You wouldn't have to search far,
Edited on Thu Dec-25-08 04:46 PM by bitchkitty
to find people who would be offended by an "Adolph Hitler Cooks" segment on PBS.

I don't know you, you're right - but I will repeat: your statement "offended whiners" speaks volumes about you.

Gay or straight, you're cold.
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antipode Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 06:28 PM
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39. Hell, I would be offended by a Bush cooks segment, but
I wouldn't bother to officially complain. But then I'm not an offended whiner. Never was, never will be, but far be it from me to preclude basement-dwelling idiots from doing so. Boo fucking hoo. Don't you think it's pathetic how some people have no goddamn thing to do but bitch?

:nopity:

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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 08:07 PM
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45. I think it's pathetic that some people have no
goddamned thing to do than to bitch about people who are using their right to free speech to speak up and condemn the shallow bastards who think the Holocaust makes great standup material, or that we should all cook trout like one of the greatest murderers of our time.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:05 AM
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48. David Duke, is that you?
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 11:14 AM
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53. Yet you do seem to be whining...
Yet you do seem to be whining about the criticisms and critiques of those who don't want the show to air. But I'm sure your complaints, whining and protestations are valid, whilst the critiques of others aren't... :eyes:



"Don't you think it's pathetic how some people have no goddamn thing to do but bitch?"
Well... that seems to be precisely what you're doing. :shrug:
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 10:55 AM
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14. It's called a business model.
Businesses that rely on a large viewing audience to make themselves attractive to advertisers shouldn't go out of their way to offend a large portion of that viewing audience.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 03:01 PM
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30. Oh, great, another one.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 06:58 PM
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41. Gee....I missed your other 79 posts.
Not.


Now you are gone......*poof*.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:03 AM
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47. Go back to Stormfront, pig.
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 10:53 AM
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12. Which means the protesters won.
They exercised their rights of protest and prevailed. There's nothing wrong with that.
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antipode Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 10:35 AM
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6. It says they were "forced to scrap" the show. That isn't just
a little spirited discussion...it is censorship which is abhorrent regardless of who implements it.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 10:43 AM
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9. Difference between forced and "ordered" by the government. Again, you're not an it-getter, are you?
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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 10:51 AM
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11. It's censorship if the government forces the cancellation.
If enough people organize to boycott and protest the show, that's their right and it's not censorship.

Let's put it another way. If DU arranged a large enough boycot of Limbaugh's advertisers to cause several stations to cancel his show, would you consider that censorship or community action?
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antipode Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 02:13 PM
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26. Definitely community action. Censorship is what the "other people" do.
:shrug:
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 11:30 AM
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16. Language isn't always literal.
The journalist used a weasel word to provoke a reaction such as yours. More than likely the company canceled of their own free will because they didn't want to incur more negative publicity.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 10:42 AM
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8. You're not an it-getter, are you? n/t
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antipode Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 02:11 PM
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25. Oh, I definitely "get" that professional whiners make the world interesting.
Don't you?
:-)
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 04:39 PM
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32. whining about making light of the genocide of their people 60 years ago... oversensitive fucks!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 03:24 AM
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50. Oh, look! You ARE an it-getter! You got your tombstone!
Edited on Fri Dec-26-08 03:24 AM by IanDB1


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 05:24 PM
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36. Wow. A bit waspy today, are we?
Let me know how you feel about it after your family is murdered.
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 11:29 AM
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15. Jeez, they just can't please anyone.
The VRT also came under criticism for a recent ad about a travel show focusing on Berlin.

It showed a drawing of Hitler as a male stripper giving the Nazi salute in front of a swastika flag, the banner of Nazi Germany. That incident triggered a protest by the German embassy, which called it "totally tasteless."


If I were in the German government, I think I'd be more baffled than offended.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 12:40 PM
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 12:48 PM
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18. Tourists, locals pray in Bethlehem on Christmas
BETHLEHEM, West Bank (AP) — Bethlehem marked Christmas on Thursday with crowds of tourists joining local Palestinian Christians in Jesus' traditional birthplace, as the West Bank town basked in its once-a-year appearance in the world spotlight.

The mood was upbeat, with hotel rooms fully booked and merchants reporting good business for the first time in years, as a long period of Israeli-Palestinian violence that dampened moods and tourism seemed to be easing.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hJsb8L30WZziQKgOp1QJDNQqVUGgD959MJE81

What is a Zio-Nazi?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 12:59 PM
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 01:06 PM
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20. Here's an article from the same source as your piece (Christian Science Monitor)
Calm brings record tourism to Bethlehem

Bethlehem, West Bank - At the height of the Palestinian uprising six years ago, the only traffic in this holy city, believed to be Jesus' birthplace, were Israeli military jeeps enforcing curfew.

Now, with record bus loads of Christian pilgrims filing through the Church of the Nativity and sleeping at local hotels, Bethlehem is abuzz.

The revival of tourism in the West Bank is one of the few bright spots in the Palestinian economy, which was supposed to get a big boost from the Bush administration at its Middle East peace conference in the fall of 2007 in Annapolis, Md.

"After the Annapolis conference ... there was a relative relief in the political situation," says Palestinian tourism minister Khouloud Daibes-Abu Dayyeh. "The pictures coming through the media showed at least part of Palestine as more safe and ... ready to receive tourists," he says.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1226/p07s05-wome.html

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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 01:09 PM
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21. What has the situation in Gaza got to do with Belgian Jews?
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 01:40 PM
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22. A stately home
.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 01:44 PM
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23. Perhaps Jews worldwide should follow the examples of Muslims and the cartoons
and start rioting in the street and set embassies on fire and put a Jewish fatwa on the head of that comedian.


:puke:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 02:29 PM
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27. "gross insensitivity" also applies to making Rick Warren the invocator in chief.
This is not the first time that VTR has crossed the boundaries of good taste. There is nothing amusing about the Holocaust or any of the genocides in our planet's bloody history.
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 02:42 PM
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28. Didn't you hear??? The Holocaust never happened....
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:














I really hate to say this, but my cousin is is a WWII Veteran and really thinks the Holocaust never happened <-- methinks he hit his head too hard during a tour.
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RCinBrooklyn Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 02:49 PM
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29. I think Obama is enjoying this. He LOVES dialogue on issues where we disagree. Thanks Nazis!
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 06:02 PM
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37. Uh-huh.
Uh-huh. Right. Just the right note of equivalency. :eyes:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 06:09 PM
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38. A certain DUer said that we should welcome skin heads to expand the dialogue
Appeasement of bigotry, or downplaying hatred as in this case, only encourages more of the same.
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antipode Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 06:33 PM
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40. But inviting Rick Warren to give the inaugural invocation is not appeasing bigotry.
Got it.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 07:31 PM
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42. No, it is giving it Obama's Imprimatur
Seal of Approval!
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antipode Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 07:35 PM
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43. I'm ready to risk everything here and agree with you!
:scared:
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 04:14 PM
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31. Geubels = Goebbels?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 05:08 PM
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35. I noticed that too
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 03:26 AM
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51. Had the same thought. But what do I know. I'm a professional whiner. n/t
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jb5150 Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 04:52 PM
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34. I think the great comedians of our time
Lenny Bruce, Richard Pryor, George Carlin and many others proved you can find humor in almost any subject, however tragic...

There is a difference between hate speech and humor, although the line might prove very fine..
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 08:05 PM
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44. The objection is more with the broadcasting of it on public television
Note this quote from the OP:

"What a comedian does is up to him, but the VRT decides to include it in the show. At that point, the question can be asked, is this the task of a public broadcaster?" asked Michael Freilich, the head of the Jewish group Joods Actueel.
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 09:43 PM
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46. Coming up next...
Idi Amin's favorite holiday recipes
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 01:26 AM
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49. Oranges right n/t
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-08 09:36 AM
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52. just saw something Ricky Gervais (sp?)
did on one of the cable shows. He did do a long bit on Hitler etc. He admitted up front he was taking a risk, but I think it was more of a comedic challenge for himself, to make people laugh at this subject. He did really well. It was really funny. If I remember where I saw the show, I'll post it. He really has a unique style of both writing humor and delivering it.
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