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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:19 PM Original message |
Researchers unlock secrets of 1918 flu pandemic |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. This will be the next thing that will be used against us somehow. |
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debunkthelies (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
48. You nailed it |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Agree they dug the dead bodies up to get it |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. They dug up a victim who was buried in permafrost... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
85. But the permafrost is melting. |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
66. That was my first thought |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
102. You're becoming severely paranoid. |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. If you haven't read about the 1918 Influenza outbreak you should |
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Shardik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. I found a 1920's medical text once and was amazed at the devastation |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. It was a mess. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:53 AM Response to Reply #23 |
52. I'm no fan of the pharmacutical companies at all, but your comment is a little short-sighted |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #52 |
82. Slight correction:"antibiotics, have absolutely no effect whatsoever on viruses" including influenza |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 04:11 AM Response to Reply #82 |
95. Duly noted, but with protest. |
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Alameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 08:22 AM Response to Reply #23 |
77. But there was that drug that could help control it, you know |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
86. Given city density and wide spread air travel, if this ever happened again... |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. AS an armature genealogist I have walked through a lot of cemeteries |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
56. That's how I discovered the fate of my grand-Uncle... |
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Pokey Anderson (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #56 |
84. My grandfather died in the 1918 flu epidemic. |
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fudge stripe cookays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #84 |
101. My granny... |
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olddad56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
103. so did my grandfather, in the prime of his life.... |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #38 |
60. My grandmother's grandmother had 14 babies, over a period of 20-some years. |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:53 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. My grandmother |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #67 |
98. Absolutely. I have a book that chronicles my grandmother's family from the time they came to this |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 08:27 AM Response to Reply #60 |
78. My grandmother had eight children |
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d_r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. my grandmother was born in 1910 |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. That's amazing. It sounds like she was amnesiac upon waking up. n/t |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #78 |
99. That is so sad. I've often wondered what my great-great-grandmother was like. |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
93. Wrong reason..... |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. "precautions and teaching" - you mean like |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #93 |
100. Well, that's what my grandmother told me. And she was born in 1900... :-) |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
75. It hit the young, old and sick especially hard. They were the |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #75 |
87. The course of WWI was changed because of it. |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
94. Actually.... |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
71. Not a non-fiction text, but |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
74. There was no defense at that time and there won't be this time |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
92. My grandfather died in that flu epidemic |
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Genevieve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. Bunch of shit, like Donald Rumsfeld's Bird Flu which was going to kill all of us. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Except the 1918 Flu was a deadly pandemic |
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Genevieve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Yes, the1918 Flu was - |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. My grandfather, who was 6 yo, was orphaned by the 1918 Flu. |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. Oddly enough, the Spanish Flu killed younger adults and those with stronger immune systems... |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Yes, that was, and remains, one of the mysteries of the outbreak... |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. And the Parkinsons like disease from some survivors |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
62. I didn't know there was a connection between influenza and Parkinson's. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
63. The Parkinsons was from |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #63 |
89. Actually, the 1918 flu devastated small towns, too |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:39 AM Response to Reply #35 |
73. Actually, they did figure it out. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #73 |
81. Yes, I remember reading that too... |
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populistdriven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:06 AM Response to Reply #29 |
70. it was the cytokine storm that killed them, the stronger the immune system the stronger the storm |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. What's so interesting... |
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Genevieve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. That's what I said, post #3. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. Yes, my post was in response to... |
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Genevieve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. ........ |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. With BushCo? Every single time. |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. It's hard to know how to assay the information... |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #13 |
49. No, it is still percolating |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I posted above... |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:55 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Thanks for that info, Mojorabbit... |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Why thank you! |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #13 |
88. The "switch" was described. |
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chucktaylor (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. I remember people crowding the malls to get their Swine Flu shots of 1976. |
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Genevieve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. The fake flu scare: just like their damn fake terror alerts every week. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
64. Influenza is tangible. I can look at it under a microscope and count the bodies every year. |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
4. This reminds me of |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. "I had a little birdie, his name was enza..." |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I've read that it arrived here |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. The original thought was that it started here in the US at Fort Riley, Kansas... |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Scary Stuff... My Nana had it too, but she obviously recovered. |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. My Nana went to abNormal School... |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
34. That's what they called it back then. |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #34 |
58. Yes - you watched it... |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:02 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I think I do remember it. |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 06:34 AM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Well, it was about a bunch of people dying of the flu... |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #69 |
97. Oh! Now I remember!!! |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. Actually, that particular virus may not be much of a danger today. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
9. I think the empty lot on Hampton Blvd. in Norfolk is a mass grave from this outbreak. nt |
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chucktaylor (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. That is a mass grave from the Yellow Fever epidemic of 1855. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I was wondering which. I think Quarantine Rd. on the ODU campus might be... |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Hi Mookie. FDR was a survivor of the Spanish Flu... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. The rest is history....!!!! |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
57. IIRC, he was too ill to unpack after getting home, so Eleanor did it for him... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 08:33 AM Response to Reply #57 |
79. Yep. nt |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
16. ... i also thought part of the problem was ... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. That's what they did for the Black Death. |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. I know they tried doing it with smallpox outbreaks in Revolutionary America... |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
21. More died during WW I with the flu than any other cause.... |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I thought I remembered that statistic, but wasn't sure... |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
46. My mother recited that rhyme on occasion, when recounting how she nearly |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:33 AM Response to Reply #46 |
65. My mom survived aged 6. Spanish-American war in asia a cause? |
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clspector (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
22. There are a lot of different theories |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
47. I can recommend the book and the author. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
32. Ahhh, a new generation of bio weapons |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I don't know about that, but.... |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. I disagree |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. That makes sense... |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. many burial sites were studied. |
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NEOhiodemocrat (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
40. my 7 year old cousin |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Your seven year old cousin died from the flu? |
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dreamnightwind (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 06:19 AM Response to Original message |
68. scary |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
72. My grandmother lived through this. They called it the |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
76. My paternal grandmother died from it. |
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macllyr (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
80. Bird-Flu Info |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
83. oh no, this will inevitably be the topic for my tai-chi teacher to pontificate |
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