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JudyInTheHeartland Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:02 PM
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Sen. Dianne Feinstein breaks with Democratic colleagues, says Senate should seat Burris
Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The chairman of the Senate Rules Committee has parted with many of her Democratic colleagues and says that the Senate should seat former Illinois Attorney General Roland Burris.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California said Tuesday that Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, however tainted by corruption charges, has the right to appoint someone to President-elect Barack Obama's former seat. The Rules Committee decides whether Burris is qualified to serve.

Feinstein said that blocking Burris would have ramifications for other governors' appointments.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SENATE_BURRIS?SITE=NVREN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:04 PM
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1. Big Surprise coming from her
When his she just going to switch parties?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 08:11 AM
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36. She happens to be right
The governor has not been charged with anything and the people of IL deserve the voices of 2 senators.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:21 PM
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39. Is this about her being PO'd with Obama over Panetta?
She positioned herself as the 'Rule of Law' person and was being credited on the news this morning (NBC/Channel 5 Chicago) as being the one that has turned this around for Burris.

As it stands, Illinois has half the representation and voting power in the senate as most other states. We need someone right now. The voters will take care of the situation in two years, but we need someone representing us now.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:12 PM
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:13 PM
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3. She's right and DiFi is not my favorite senator.
But what she said is true.

Feinstein said that blocking Burris would have ramifications for other governors' appointments.


We have gotten so used to the lawbreaking ways of the Republicans who have been running things that it seems almost natural that we should do the same. We shouldn't. By upholding the law even though it may be distasteful to us we are preserving our rule of law for future appointments.



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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:48 PM
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15. Doesnt the law
require the Illinois Sec of State's signature before he can be seated?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:35 PM
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21. I've not seen the IL law that requires that the SOS agree with and consent to the selection of the
Gov, have you?
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 08:03 PM
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24. its not an Illinois law
its a requirement for the senate for any state/senator.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 12:17 AM
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31. Have you seen it? i haven't. It's not in the constitution. Where is this law?
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 08:40 PM
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25. Ditto there for me too.
Seat the man.......it's 100% by the rules.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:14 PM
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4. It would drive the rethugs full-blown batsh*t crazy if we did.
Let's do it.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:17 AM
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33. Not sure whether it would drive them "batsh*t crazy" or give them ammunition
to portray us as corrupt and power hungry. After statements by Obama, Reid and others to the effect that anyone appointed by Blago should not be accepted, it would be "politics as usual" (say one thing, do another) to seat Burris.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:27 PM
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5. Good for DiFi
Finally, someone with ethics to do what is right under the law instead of playing politics.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:27 PM
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6. I am changing my mind. If DiFi the DINO is for Burris, then I am against. nm
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420inTN Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:28 PM
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7. I don't see how they CAN'T seat him.
Constitutionally speaking, Gov. Blago could appoint anyone to the Senate (as long as the person is 30 years old, 9 years a resident of the US, and a resident of the state at the time of appointment) if he wanted to do so, and the Senate couldn't say boo about it.

Now, they can keep him out of the various caucases, but they have to seat him (imho). They can try to impeach him if they want him out of there that badly. Otherwise, they'll just have to suck it up until the next election.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:48 PM
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14. let me make sure I understand
we want to honor the rules to seat him but we should ignore the rule that requires the Illinois Sec of State's signature?
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420inTN Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 09:46 AM
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37. Where is the requiremnt for the IL SoS signature?
It's not in the US Constitution. The 17th Amendment:

"The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct."


I freely admit that I don't know IL law, or the IL constitution. So, if it's a requirement of IL law to have the SoS signature on appointments, then it must happen before the appointment is legal and he can't be seated until then.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:28 PM
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8. Hmm. Rules Committee. Rules.
Hmm.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:29 PM
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9. & stick a thumb in that bastard fitz's crazy eye.
Edited on Tue Jan-06-09 06:31 PM by The_Casual_Observer
& then go after fitz for not investigating the criminal activities of bush & company.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:31 PM
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10. She's right. Both Obama and several Senators have said publicly that Burris is a fine man who has
done nothing wrong. If that is true, they need to seat him. No need or justification whatever to punish Burris because Blago tried to get Rahm or Jackson to pay up.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:37 PM
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11. I hate DiFi, but from a legal point of view she is absolutely correct!
Accept the fact that Blago out-maneuvered Harry Reid and company.
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rangersmith82 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:41 PM
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13. Damn...I can't belive im siding with DIFI...
She is right though, Blago messed up big time and now he's gotta pay.

We gotta do the right thing as much as possible.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:49 PM
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16. Had Blago been indicted, I would have felt differently.
But Blago has not been indicted, he hasn't been charged, he hasn't been impeached, he hasn't been convicted, and he has the authority to appoint a replacement for Obama. It was Joe McCarthy who got people fired on the basis of a mere allegation. Let's not go down that path.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 02:02 AM
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32. Maybe Blago should be the new
Senate Majority leader. He has the biggest set on a Democrat in a long time.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 05:56 PM
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40. He has a lot of chutzpah, and he made Reid look like an amateur
After Reid's racist comments about Burris, and his "I don't work for Obama" and his obvious dislike for a progressive agenda, we need a new Senate leader with the cojones of a Blago.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 07:37 AM
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34. Exactly
I don't really like DiFi, Blago, or Burris -- but he should be seated.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:41 PM
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12. Go Di Fi! It's the right thing to do.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 06:49 PM
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17. I think this is the first time I have ever agreed with her
Legally, I don't understand how they can do what they did today. If Illinois sent him to be sworn in, what standing do the feds have for denying him a seat?

Just got off work - bet that's been answered on every other thread - so consider it rhetorical.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:05 PM
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18. Democrats' opposition to Burris begins to crack
Source: A/P

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Roland Burris failed to capture President-elect Barack Obama's old Senate seat Tuesday in a wild piece of political theater, but the Democrats' opposition cracked when a key chairwoman said seating him was simply the legal thing to do. Sen. Dianne Feinstein rejected the reasoning that all of the chamber's Democrats, herself included, had cited in a letter last week - that corruption charges against Burris' patron, Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, tainted his appointment.

"Does the governor have the power, under law, to make the appointment? And the answer is yes," said Feinstein, chairwoman of the Senate Rules Committee, which judges the credentials of senators.

Burris marched into the Capitol earlier Tuesday, declaring himself "the junior senator from the state of Illinois." But Secretary of the Senate Nancy Erickson rejected his certification, as he knew she would, saying it lacked Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White's signature and the state seal.

Late Tuesday, Feinstein urged the Senate to settle the matter.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SENATE_BURRIS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-01-06-18-54-56
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:08 PM
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19. The more i hear from her, the more i think she is the new Joe Lieberman.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:28 PM
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20. I intend to call her tomorrow and thank her for standing tall for the law.
And I then intend to tell her to stop the Panetta complaints. The man is perfect for the job. He is totally anti-torture and makes no bones about it. DiFi had better watch her step after helping confirm that torture enabler MUKASSEY.
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:46 PM
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22. Blago hasn't even been charged for jay-walking
Fitzgerald is the king of the press conferences & should be CALLED OUT, for not indicting the Blago.

D's have bigger fish to fry & should let this guy be the temporary Senator.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 07:51 PM
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23. well, she voted to confirm Mukasey, so why not ?
Actually, I totally agree with her this time.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:38 PM
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26. Di Fi another Joe Lieberman.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:08 PM
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27. the Secretary of State won't sign off on Burris
as he is well within his rights to do. Seating Burris would be ILLEGAL, Feinstein.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:29 PM
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28. Maybe the SOS would sign off if there was enough Democratic support.
Interesting possibility.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 11:53 PM
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The Second Stone Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 12:12 AM
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30. Should all of Blaggo's appointments now be suspect?
Every post in the executive and judicial branch of Illinois? And all of their acts reversed on the basis of Blaggo's presumed innocence to the allegations? I call bullshit on this. Blaggo is still governor and has the right to make the appointment under law. With or without the Sec of State's signature, that signature is a ministerial act that cannot be withheld on a discretionary basis.

This issue has been decided in Western Civilization since Augustine opined 1600 years ago that the absolution given by a corrupt priest is still absolution for the innocent parishioners who received it. And he was right. Even if Blaggo later turns out to be guilty, we don't have Bills of Attainder in this country. Only if Burris is charged with something does suspicion fall upon him.



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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 07:49 AM
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35. I can't wait till Burris switches parties, running into the welcoming arms of Republicans
to see how many people on here will be carrying on about the "rule of law."
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:06 PM
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38. They ALL live in glass houses
Refuse to seat a senator because he or she slid into office on a somewhat scandalous note or with a few skeletons in their closet? There would be hardly anyone in office if they start doing that.
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