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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:27 PM
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Spokesman: Officer in subway shooting has resigned
Source: CNN

The officer involved in a New Year's Day shooting that left a passenger dead in a crowded Oakland, California, subway station resigned Wednesday, a Bay Area Rapid Transit spokesman said.

BART spokesman Linton Johnson said in a statement that the officer's attorney and his union representative submitted the resignation at a meeting Wednesday morning with BART police investigators. The officer was going to be at the meeting but did not show up, Johnson said.

The resignation was effective immediately.

Shortly before the funeral for the passenger, 22-year-old Oscar Grant, Johnson said the officer had received death threats.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/07/BART.shooting/index.html



The big "defense" of this indefensible act by the police officer which has been shopped around so far is that he mistakenly beleived he was using his taser.

  As a responsible gun owner, I find it unconscionable that a police officer would not take the time to check exactly what he was holding if this is the case. There are at least 5 police officers present, the situation is under control. There was and is no excuse to unholster, arm and discharge any form of firearm without knowing what exactly you are shooting. I just can't believe that they feel that similar, either in size or weight as to confuse an officer who is diligently taking one goddamned moment to make sure that he's not going to use lethal force instead of less-than-lethal force.

  As a citizen, I am outraged that he would even choose to tase this man. It is an outrageous, and tortuous act to taser a handcuffed individual. This has led to many deaths in the past, it shows the officer does not care so much for whom he's dealing with and it's just plain lazy- in a job where you are supposed to be more alert and caring about your fellow citizens than the average person.

  His troubles are far from over, but he will wake up tomorrow and continue to draw breath. Unlike the man he shot. Handcuffed. On his belly. Like an animal being slaughtered.

PB
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:40 PM
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1. So, now his supervisor needs to resign (or be fired) & Oscar Grant gets charged with 2nd deg murder
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:43 PM
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2. This is total BS
I don't believe for a moment that he mistook his gun for a taser. He killed this man in cold-blooded murder.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:54 PM
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5. This wasn't a war zone. Nobody was shooting at him. And even a GI would be courts martialled
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:46 PM
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3. Wasn't aware we had a "subway" system here
Great fact-checking, CNN! Heckuva job.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:07 PM
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9. BART is considered a subway by most definitions
not the whole system, obviously, but most of San Francisco and Oakland segments are in fact subway.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:52 PM
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4. Couldn't agree more with your post...
Well put.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:58 PM
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6. Why hasn't he been arrested for murder?
It seems pretty clear that probably cause exists.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:32 PM
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23. Because when cops KILL a civilian, it's an "accident". When civilians TOUCH a cop...
it's aggravated assault.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:03 PM
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7. BART: “This prevents us from compelling him to talk on the administrative investigation."
From this additional story from KRON4.com (a TV station):

Shortly after the funeral, BART officials announced that the officer who shot Grant had resigned. Johnson says the resignation will have an effect on the investigation, “This prevents us from compelling him to talk on the administrative investigation. We still urging him to continue on with the criminal investigation and to work with the DA’s office.”

Attorney John Burris filed a $25 million wrongful death claim on Tuesday against BART on behalf of Grant’s family. Officials with the transit agency continue to urge patience while the investigation into the shooting continues. They have 45 days to respond to the suit.


Fancy that, eh?

PB
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jonmiller74 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:06 PM
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8. This is why as a law abiding citizen I'm afraid of the police
I grew up in West Philadelphia and have had more than my share of experiences being harassed by the police (Rizzo Cops). I truly believe most officers are well intentioned individuals but those few that aren't and those that cover for the bad ones are terrifying. I'm very grateful there were people filming this. I live in a predominately white area now, minorities are less than 1% of the residents and I always wonder if there were no witnesses, would I be safe with the police? I know that I'm not alone in that concern, as I've talked about it with friends and coworkers, and strangely (for me) the concern was not only along racial lines. It shouldn't be that way, when I was little I was taught the police were your safety, if you were in trouble they would be there to help. I even remember the officer holding my hand when I was seven and lost in the train station. When will cops be Heroes again.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:43 PM
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14. I truly believe most officers are fucking assholes!
The good guys on the force are few and far between.

Most cops are asshole control freaks who like nothing better than ruining your life if they can. :thumbsdown:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:08 PM
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10. And the Alameda County District Attorney is doing what? (besides sitting on his ass?)
not much that i can tell. :rant:
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:21 PM
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19. It's amazing how fast the wheels of justice grind for those of low heirarchy.
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smiley Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:16 PM
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11. This cop needs to be sitting in jail.
This is absolutely ridiculous that charges have not already been filed. This man was already restrained and there was no need to pull a gun or a taser.

If this had been an accidental cop shooting you can bet the alleged shooter would be behind bars. He'd be arrested first and then they would try and figure out the facts of the case.

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:18 PM
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12. I'm inclined to agree without reservation on all your points.
Simply reversing the situation shows the enormous disparity between how citizens are treated and how members of the police force are.

PB
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smiley Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:09 AM
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15. I think a lot of people in America would agree on this.
There is enough video evidence to show that this man was already restrained. Even if he was yelling obscenities at the cops, it is still no reason to pull any weapon besides handcuffs.

And now we have riots going on in Oakland and had the authorities actually done their job and detained this officer, maybe we wouldn't see such a violent reaction to this all. However, I still do not condone the actions of the rioters. Destroying property of innocents will never do your cause any good. But hey, if they want to destroy a few cop cars - I somehow feel they are justified in their anger.

oh what a world....
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:39 PM
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13. Oh, c'mon people!
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 11:40 PM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
Surely by now you have figured out that there are two justice systems in this country.

One is meek and mild-mannered, sworn to protect the wealthy and their spawn, the connected and the police from most, if not all of the consequences for their actions, whatever they might be.

The other is a vicious, ruthless and bloodthirsty revenge and "bread & circuses" system, tailored to destroy the lives of the least amongst us, the most vulnerable amongst us and the poorest and most unconnected amongst us. It is in place to perpetuate the myth that we have a government that functions under the rule of law, that there are consequences for our actions, and to drive a wedge between races and ethnicities.

Oh sure, every once in a while, they will toss one of those from the first group over the side, to keep up appearances, but in the majority of cases, they face no consequences for their actions.

It's all designed to keep us one-fodder-units divided and quaking in fear, you see. And make the government some money in the bargain.

And if you doubt my words, I offer a simple question: Where is Bernie Madoff sleeping tonight? Where is some kid who stole $50.00 and got caught sleeping tonight?

Start off with this premise: "The United States of America is a cruel and pathetic joke and a running woodchipper for most of its citizens"

You'll never go wrong.
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smiley Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:13 AM
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16. 100% agree
It will take all out revolution for this to change. But who really has the guts to do that? And would it do any good? The majority of our military, police forces, and citizens have been brainwashed from infancy to believe in the ole' Red, White, n' Blue. It will take all out civil war and truly would not be a pretty sight.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:24 PM
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20. Wow! An emotionally moving post!
Can't say I disagree with it.
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KingOfLostSouls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:22 AM
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17. GET A ROPE!!!
yup.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 02:31 AM
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18. At the very least that piece of shit should be in jail.
And that's the most charitable thing that could happen to him.
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RCinBrooklyn Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:24 PM
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21. Someone please forward a copy of the resignation letter to the dead man.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 01:25 PM
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22. Murderers belong in prison.
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